The Way The Truth and The Life
Rick J -miami

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#251 Aug 5, 2013
acwebb wrote:
Hi Sbelle,
Well i knew Ben S. very well. He was a very depressed man when i met him in 1978...and shortly thereafter he tried to commit suicide. He attempted to bump himself off with sleeping pills when his brother Angelo found in bed with his tough hanging out of his head. He was spared...only to go out and proliferate his brand of dysfunctional Religion again.
Ben had a personality disorder called Grandiose Narcissism. He actually believed he was "God's last Prophet." He was so convinced that the world was coming of what was written in the book of Revelation...that he was able able to convince many others of the same.
A good actor BELIEVES in his role...
The term for this has been established by the mental health field and is called "Transpersonal Identity Disorder."
I suspect that the numerous psychotropic drugs and his background of growing up in a boys home all culminated into the man he became.
Its all part of the personality disordered of Dramatic individuals.
And yes...these types must have NAIVE and DESPERATE people to join them and help proliferate their web of deceit to be successful. They pull their followers from a pool of kids who's common background is from broken and dysfunctional homes where drugs and alchohol were prevalient. These types are best for re-indoctrinating into their system. The followers are welcomed into their surrogate family with the hopes of finding a lost love...but in the end are betrayed by the very people whom they trusted.
This is a tactic used by the Communist leaders of totalitarian governments where one of the chief goals is to keep the populous dumbed down...tear families apart by separating at youth...and SUBSTITUTING Real knowledge with a Fake Belief system that APPEASES the spirit insuring against rebellion.
Its all very diabolical...and MOST people never figure it out. IN fact...if you go back and read some of the posts on this thread you can hear the residual ignorance from the time of false hope planted long ago.
As a spin off of 70's psychotropic drug era ...Many Cults and Churches sought to separate from the world and live with great expectancy actually BELIEVING they were chosen by God and instilled with an esoteric knowledge while the rest of the world was just ignorant and damned to hell...this was their only means of self-esteem.
Whoever devised this plan...was very smart...A Brilliant plan!
Yep...to the T. Ben would hit on all the male friends that i brought around. LOL...what was funny (but also a disgrace to the gospel and the word) was that Ben would recruit young men to go out and preach the gospel to their friends and bring them back to his house for a dose of Bible Study. Only to later make passes at them and lure them into having Sex...a true Sick man if there ever was one.
He had some good qualities but they were far and few between. He was just a Homo-sexual who really wanted to cure himself of his evil's (like the rest of us). BUT HE DEFINITELY had a Ego problem and when challenged on his authority and the word got very offended and defensive. Hopefully, he's now a better person (or being) in the Next Life. A lot of us wish we had never met him....including myself.
You people who follow the gospel preached by this man have numerous emotional issues (as we did). It took years and decades to recover from the pain caused by this preaching. It is truly Evil and not the truth. Sapio left a bad mark on the True Gospel.
God's last profit Ben Sapio...an Ego Maniac and his passive "sheep" followers.
jacknchina

Charlotte, NC

#252 Aug 6, 2013
Yes, I remember him. His name was Gus and he was quite the street fighter.
one way wrote:
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5I always have remembered Bob coming home with all that tar on him :)
Do you remember Gus' pal from Chicago, who worked in films and music, showed up at that motel complex in Miami and who stayed til Ashford community was up and running?
PS: Deputy: I was talking about Mickeys description.
jacknchina

Charlotte, NC

#253 Aug 6, 2013
You are right. He was a sick man. But quite a few of the young people there were good people and they were trying to do what was right: repenting from drug and alcohol abuse and illicit relationships. They made the experience somewhat bearable in spite of Ben and his antics.
Rick J -miami wrote:
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Yep...to the T. Ben would hit on all the male friends that i brought around. LOL...what was funny (but also a disgrace to the gospel and the word) was that Ben would recruit young men to go out and preach the gospel to their friends and bring them back to his house for a dose of Bible Study. Only to later make passes at them and lure them into having Sex...a true Sick man if there ever was one.
He had some good qualities but they were far and few between. He was just a Homo-sexual who really wanted to cure himself of his evil's (like the rest of us). BUT HE DEFINITELY had a Ego problem and when challenged on his authority and the word got very offended and defensive. Hopefully, he's now a better person (or being) in the Next Life. A lot of us wish we had never met him....including myself.
You people who follow the gospel preached by this man have numerous emotional issues (as we did). It took years and decades to recover from the pain caused by this preaching. It is truly Evil and not the truth. Sapio left a bad mark on the True Gospel.
God's last profit Ben Sapio...an Ego Maniac and his passive "sheep" followers.
Emmie

Hollywood, FL

#254 Aug 8, 2013
was a member wrote:
searching the Way the Truth and the Life out of curiosity I came across these blogs.
It was sad to read as most of what is written is absolutely not true.
I was with the first group of members that came up from Miami moving the ministry to NC. My wife and I were the last people to leave after the property was sold to another 'Christian ministry'.
Ben Sapio was the Pastor. He was kicked out by the congregation due to immorality. I was one of the deacons to kick him out. The group was not forced to close by anyone or any organization. There were some things that were not right and I would in no way defend or condone any of them. Unfortunately most members were young and in many cases naïve like myself. However there were many lives saved and changed to this day because of that ministry.
There was an article in the McDowell News but it was a total lie. No one was murdered, that's insane. I was there when the reporters came and took pictures and scurried off only to see in the next addition this picture of what was stackable cribs (now at churches and nurseries everywhere),on the front page with bold front line print title BABIES KEPT IN CAGES. RIDICULOUS AND UNBELIEVABLE! After legal intervention they were forced to retract it all in the paper.
Don't know if this forum is still up and running but if anyone wants to know the truth just respond with your question and I will tell you.
For the record I have worked for a well know company for 33 years. My wife is an underwriter for major Life insurance company. We are Christians and members of the Southern Baptist convention.
be careful what you read and believe.
God Bless,
Thank You "Was a Member". What you have written has been accurate, as I recall it. As you were a Deacon in Miami, I'm sure I knew you. I had stopped reading the posts to this thread because so much garbage was being said, with some even making untrue and inaccurate statements about what went on when WTL was in Miami. I didn't move to NC, but I was attending the bible services way before they ever went to Opa Locka, we were in Mimi's living room in El Portal until there was no more room to squeeze another person in and the neighbors were complaining about the traffic.
I visited Micky & Adrienne's home and had dinner with them on a couple of occasions and was never pressured or even asked to move in. I recall spending an enjoyable afternoon and evening with them, and the other young people who lived there. As stated, the rules were very clear and strict about single males and females not becoming intimate or spending time alone together. I went on the trips to Ft. Myers where a beautiful show was performed at one of the auditoriums with great music and singing.
Ben always made me a bit nervous, but being young then, I just thought that it was because he was an older man, position of power, etc. Now that I've matured, this gut feeling has stayed with me and shows up when I'm around people who are "not right" in some way. I never saw him act inappropriately, but a male friend did admit that Ben had approached him sexually and he stopped attending. The WTL started out with a clean and loving intention and many young people were helped and given a home and family. No one was ever held against their will. They did share their money and belongings--it was a family supporting each other. Anyway, most of the things said that make you gasp and say "oh my" are not true. The one truth is that Ben commited homosexual acts and used his position to do it. He was thrown out and I think the disappointment broke the spirits of many. And to Was a Member...have I told you lately?
jacknchina

Charlotte, NC

#255 Aug 8, 2013
That was very well written. Thank you!
Emmie wrote:
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Thank You "Was a Member". What you have written has been accurate, as I recall it. As you were a Deacon in Miami, I'm sure I knew you. I had stopped reading the posts to this thread because so much garbage was being said, with some even making untrue and inaccurate statements about what went on when WTL was in Miami. I didn't move to NC, but I was attending the bible services way before they ever went to Opa Locka, we were in Mimi's living room in El Portal until there was no more room to squeeze another person in and the neighbors were complaining about the traffic.
I visited Micky & Adrienne's home and had dinner with them on a couple of occasions and was never pressured or even asked to move in. I recall spending an enjoyable afternoon and evening with them, and the other young people who lived there. As stated, the rules were very clear and strict about single males and females not becoming intimate or spending time alone together. I went on the trips to Ft. Myers where a beautiful show was performed at one of the auditoriums with great music and singing.
Ben always made me a bit nervous, but being young then, I just thought that it was because he was an older man, position of power, etc. Now that I've matured, this gut feeling has stayed with me and shows up when I'm around people who are "not right" in some way. I never saw him act inappropriately, but a male friend did admit that Ben had approached him sexually and he stopped attending. The WTL started out with a clean and loving intention and many young people were helped and given a home and family. No one was ever held against their will. They did share their money and belongings--it was a family supporting each other. Anyway, most of the things said that make you gasp and say "oh my" are not true. The one truth is that Ben commited homosexual acts and used his position to do it. He was thrown out and I think the disappointment broke the spirits of many. And to Was a Member...have I told you lately?

Since: Jul 13

Lexington, SC

#256 Aug 9, 2013
Emmie wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank You "Was a Member". What you have written has been accurate, as I recall it. As you were a Deacon in Miami, I'm sure I knew you. I had stopped reading the posts to this thread because so much garbage was being said, with some even making untrue and inaccurate statements about what went on when WTL was in Miami. I didn't move to NC, but I was attending the bible services way before they ever went to Opa Locka, we were in Mimi's living room in El Portal until there was no more room to squeeze another person in and the neighbors were complaining about the traffic.
I visited Micky & Adrienne's home and had dinner with them on a couple of occasions and was never pressured or even asked to move in. I recall spending an enjoyable afternoon and evening with them, and the other young people who lived there. As stated, the rules were very clear and strict about single males and females not becoming intimate or spending time alone together. I went on the trips to Ft. Myers where a beautiful show was performed at one of the auditoriums with great music and singing.
Ben always made me a bit nervous, but being young then, I just thought that it was because he was an older man, position of power, etc. Now that I've matured, this gut feeling has stayed with me and shows up when I'm around people who are "not right" in some way. I never saw him act inappropriately, but a male friend did admit that Ben had approached him sexually and he stopped attending. The WTL started out with a clean and loving intention and many young people were helped and given a home and family. No one was ever held against their will. They did share their money and belongings--it was a family supporting each other. Anyway, most of the things said that make you gasp and say "oh my" are not true. The one truth is that Ben commited homosexual acts and used his position to do it. He was thrown out and I think the disappointment broke the spirits of many. And to Was a Member...have I told you lately?
HA! I'd forgotten where I got that from! "Have I told you lately?"
Heh heh heh. Thanks for the reminder.
I'm still thinking I have my copy of that old song book around somewhere. I kept it in with one of my Bibles. If it's in storage it's gonna be a while before I can check though.
Y'all have a great weekend and all.
MY Sabbath starts in a couple of hours so .... &#9786;
trashtalkinredne ck

Marion, NC

#257 Aug 10, 2013
rumour has it that they ran the restaurant across the road from the lodge and they used dogfood in the hamburger meat
Dork

Marion, NC

#258 Aug 10, 2013
I forget exactly how the story on Boonie goes but I think they wanted him to do something and he wouldn't do it so try have him some drugs and locked him in a cabinet and he's been crazy ever since.

Since: Jul 13

Lexington, SC

#259 Aug 13, 2013
Yeah, RIGHT!
The dead horses in the last two posts have been flogged so many times there nothing left.
There's not even enough truth in them to justify calling them rumors.
Try something new.
Sigmund

Ingleside, IL

#260 Aug 22, 2013
Nah, I think the Burger had psycho 'want a be' Psycholgists who ironically need a shrink, lie touting gossiping circus freaks and oatmeal in them.

I wish Mcdonalds would do the same.

Gus was the reason I went to Miami. We were great Pals in Chicago. He had 'changed' for the better and helped me a lot. He had left due to constraint.
Marvelmo

Ingleside, IL

#261 Aug 24, 2013
It was called the 'Boone Burger'. Boone created and owned it and it went so well he opened four more and ran them all from the top floor of the Ritz Carlton in NY, when not in his triple black lincoln limo. His driver Rick, who always wore a gold lamee jump suit with diamond studded glasses, and not accepting Boones proposal of marriage, due to a pre-nup contract disagreement,went on to manage Charlie Mansons music career
Incredulous Ina

Buffalo Grove, IL

#262 Sep 4, 2013
I lived in the motel from 1973 to 1975. Would love to discuss my experiences in a more private chatroom, limited to former members only. I'd like to protect people's privacy--at least, everyone's but Ben Sapio's. Anyone still reading this board interested in being a moderator of such a forum?

Since: Jul 13

Lexington, SC

#263 Sep 8, 2013
Incredulous Ina wrote:
I lived in the motel from 1973 to 1975. Would love to discuss my experiences in a more private chatroom, limited to former members only. I'd like to protect people's privacy--at least, everyone's but Ben Sapio's. Anyone still reading this board interested in being a moderator of such a forum?
You were there a lot longer than I was. I moved up with 'em from Fla and was there for maybe half a year or so.
Incredulous Ina

Buffalo Grove, IL

#264 Sep 9, 2013
Deputy Duffy wrote:
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You were there a lot longer than I was. I moved up with 'em from Fla and was there for maybe half a year or so.
I was going to the sanctuary for services right after they moved to NC, and I moved in several months later. It so happened that I attended services in Florida, as well. My parents moved to NC at the same time The Way moved to Ashford, about a forty minute drive away. Where did you live when you you were there?
jacknchina

Charlotte, NC

#265 Sep 9, 2013
I was with the way from the Fall of 1970 until it broke up in 1976. I took a brief intermission where I was restored by the Lord and married my wife. I have no regrets.
Incredulous Ina

Buffalo Grove, IL

#266 Sep 10, 2013
I have the major regret of quitting school at age sixteen (and being encouraged to do so); otherwise, I don't regret it either. I do regret--and judge--the damage that Ben might've done to young, trusting boys and young men. I was far removed from any of that, though.
jacknchina wrote:
I was with the way from the Fall of 1970 until it broke up in 1976. I took a brief intermission where I was restored by the Lord and married my wife. I have no regrets.

Since: Jul 13

Lexington, SC

#267 Sep 12, 2013
Incredulous Ina wrote:
<quoted text>
I was going to the sanctuary for services right after they moved to NC, and I moved in several months later. It so happened that I attended services in Florida, as well. My parents moved to NC at the same time The Way moved to Ashford, about a forty minute drive away. Where did you live when you you were there?
I was living in the north wing of the motel.
I remember working on the sanctuary and some of the houses across the street and the first one being finished....I think it went to Mitch ? and his wife?
Incredulous Ina

Buffalo Grove, IL

#268 Sep 12, 2013
Deputy Duffy wrote:
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I was living in the north wing of the motel.
I remember working on the sanctuary and some of the houses across the street and the first one being finished....I think it went to Mitch ? and his wife?
Mitch and Phyllis. I was on the south end.

Since: Jul 13

Lexington, SC

#269 Sep 13, 2013
Incredulous Ina wrote:
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Mitch and Phyllis. I was on the south end.

Well, you've obviously got a better memory than I. I remember some things, but they're mostly little ones.
Kind of "bits and pieces", y'know?
Sigmund

Rolling Meadows, IL

#270 Sep 22, 2013
Ina,

Was in Miami, was in first vehicle in Ashford, lived with the two big Jims above the restaurant, kept my Piano in the Motel office and recorded services. I left a few months after they started work on the property they bought behind the sanctuary and live by Arlington Hts Racetrack now. Chat room or coffee if u want.

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