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Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53263 May 13, 2014
A fanatic always thinks they are right.
Period.
They never entertain in their tiny heads, that maybe, just maybe, there really are two sides to an issue.
As other anti-republican posters have pointed out, both sides are at fault here.
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53264 May 13, 2014
That's an old post.
It was a stupid post then.
Worse now.
"Butt ugly women"???
This poster may not have noticed, but there are some " but ugly men "in Congress as well .
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53265 May 13, 2014
"Butt ugly men".
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53266 May 13, 2014
The French don't think much of Obama or his attempts to isolate the Russians.
This exposes the cynicism of the French, and their desire for money.
TSF

Angier, NC

#53267 May 13, 2014
Judging from the posts, Victoria is not the one who is stupid. All of us have different perspectives and opinions. Discussing those allows us to grow in understanding. No need for the demonization. I know, I guilty also, but at ;least I try to resist the temptation
Waco 1954 wrote:
You know why Victoria is so butt stupid?
Because she seems to think that liberals don't****up!
How stupid is that?
This insult to linear thinking must suffer from some heretofore unknown form of retardation!!
Wake up, stupid!
You know what's really gonna hurt this fanatic?
November!!
Victoria

Fleetwood, NC

#53268 May 13, 2014
TSF wrote:
An American Citizen has the right to be charged and tried. If he is killed in the apprehension, that happens all the time, but he still is entitled to be given a fair trial when apprehended.
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You can repeat Right Wing talking points all you want. It won't change history.

CIA Target: Americans Officials: U.S. Citizens Working for Al Qaeda Can Be Killed in CIA Actions
“The authority to kill U.S. citizens is granted under a secret finding signed by the president after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that directs the CIA to covertly attack al Qaeda anywhere in the world. The authority makes no exception for Americans, so permission to strike them is understood rather than specifically described, officials said.”
This policy has been implemented and publicly acknowledged at least once. On November 3, 2002, the CIA killed a US citizen of Yemeni origin, Kamal Derwish, during its predator drone strike on an al-Queda terrorist in Yemen.
This policy is consistent with many Bush administration officials' histories.
In 1973 during the US sponsored coup in Chile, CIA assets in the Chilean armed forces detained and killed American citizen Charles Horman. The Nixon administration denied any role in the murder of Horman, but years later, Freedom of Information Act disclosures document US complicity in the killing. Donald Rumsfeld was counselor to President Nixon, although he had been moved to Nato during the actual coup against Chile’s democratically elected government.
The murder of Horman, the attempt by his widow and father to find his body and the cover up by US embassy officials was made into an excellent – and accurate – film,“Missing,” with Sissy Spacek and Jack Lemon. I strongly urge any DUers who have not seen “Missing” to rent and view this film.
Victoria

Fleetwood, NC

#53269 May 13, 2014
In the late 1980s, at least five US citizens were murdered in Guatemala by CIA assets in the Guatemalan military. John Negroponte, was then US ambassador to Honduras, overseeing the counter-insurgency efforts throughout Central America. Activists assert that all “hits” in Central American had to be approved by Negroponte at that time. Negroponte, a high ranking official in the Bush II administration, recently oversaw the ouster of Haitian president Jean Betrand Aristide, and has been nominated to be US ambassador to the United Nations.

All these killings of American citizens in the past were illegal and therefore the US government sought to deny responsibility. Today, however, the Bush administration takes the position that extra-judicial killings of US citizens suspected of terrorist links is perfectly legal.
Try to keep in mind the big picture of the Bush II administration’s plans for new “justice” system for accused terrorists. If the Bush administration wins all of its court cases and implements all of its expressed policy preferences, anyone accused of terrorism who is not a “state actor,” that is a soldier of another state, would get neither the protections of the criminal justice system, nor the protections afforded POWs under the Geneva Convention. This is the system in place, for example, in Guantanamo and Iraqi prisons.

Because they do not enjoy due process or POW protections, accused terrorists may be subjected to extreme interrogations, which many activists and NGOs, such as the Red Cross, consider to be torture. Confessions to terrorism obtained by torture would justify the indefinite detention of accused terrorists.

Persons detained as accused terrorists, or “enemy combatants” may be detained indefinitely without a hearing before a court, without counsel and even without notification of family members.
US citizens detained on US soil accused of terrorism are subject to this system, according to Bush administration policy and actions. This is what has occurred to alleged “dirty bomber” and US citizen Jose Padilla, who was detained on US soil, but removed to Guantanamo without trial. Before the Supreme Court the Bush administration's Solicitor General has argued that it is the view of the administration that once the President accuses a person of being a terrorist that person may be held indefinitely without trial and may be removed from the territory of the US.
Victoria

Fleetwood, NC

#53270 May 13, 2014
TSF wrote:
Now as for Waco Tx. I have done my research. On the early morning of the Waco fire , I was watching the news. Some members of my family asked me why I thought they were punching holes in the walls with the tank barrels. I said, they are going to burn them. When I got home that night , they asked me how I knew. Answer: Vent holes are needed to make hot fires. Also, I have video that was not shown on the news. Those who believe the official blame the victims Waco story are as deluded as those who think the Sandy Hook thing didn't happen.
My point is that the events like Waco, Ruby Ridge and claims that the president has the right to kill any of us creates the mistrust that make people realize they had better keep possession of their firearms.
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That's great. But that's just your opinion. The facts do not back up your opinion.

The nut inside started the fires. Vent holes are needed to make hot fires? WTF? I am not saying that the FBI was correct....but there were children in there being raped by a monster. Things escalate. But you had one lunatic who thought he was GOD and told his people to sacrifice their lives for his demented cause.. For you to think that "vent holes" disprove the insanity of that man is astounding to me.

No. You are wrong. This is the story of two sides who made horrible mistakes. But only one side had a nut who thought he was the next messiah, who told his people to die for his cause and who raped little girls. And that side wasn't the freakin' FBI.
Victoria

Fleetwood, NC

#53271 May 13, 2014
TSF wrote:
My point is that the events like Waco, Ruby Ridge and claims that the president has the right to kill any of us creates the mistrust that make people realize they had better keep possession of their firearms. I have some pictures made by a family member in 1945 at Dachau , Germany showing piles of emancipated bodies and living ones looking like the walking dead. The pics prove that gun free zones worked---for the Nazis.
Could not happen here? Dream on.
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No one has ever tried to take your firearms. No one ever will. It is Right Wing propaganda that causes you to believe that they can, or anyone is even thinking about it. YOU should know better. Unless you've suddenly morphed into the idiotic Waco.
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53272 May 13, 2014
TSF wrote:
Judging from the posts, Victoria is not the one who is stupid. All of us have different perspectives and opinions. Discussing those allows us to grow in understanding. No need for the demonization. I know, I guilty also, but at ;least I try to resist the temptation
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Lord knows, the Victoria thing never says a thing negative to any who disagree with it.
Victoria

Fleetwood, NC

#53273 May 13, 2014
TSF wrote:
Judging from the posts, Victoria is not the one who is stupid. All of us have different perspectives and opinions. Discussing those allows us to grow in understanding. No need for the demonization. I know, I guilty also, but at ;least I try to resist the temptation
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Thank you. I have enjoyed our discussions. I don't agree with everything you say & I know you don't agree with everything I say. But still we can discuss things in a rational manner. I like that. That's the way it should be.
P.S. No one will take your guns. Relax. ;)

TSF

Angier, NC

#53274 May 13, 2014
I make no judgment about the guilt or innocence of Koresh. I will note that I am not aware of proof the child molestation allegation was true, even though I would not be surprised by anything religious fanatics might do. In any case, blasting the compound with helicopter gunships and bloopers with children inside does not indicate a desire to save the children. Punching vent holes does not indicate a desire to save the children. Using US military against US civilians was illegal at the time. How to explain all those 50 cal holes in the roof ? If they were destroyed by fire, they wouldn't have to be explained. Pulling back, forming a perimeter and starving them out would have made more sense to me. Oh, what if Koresh had decided to kill his own people? How would that be any different from what actually happened?
Naturally, I am against the rape of little girls , or anyone else for that matter. I am also against burning little girls or anyone else alive.
Victoria wrote:
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That's great. But that's just your opinion. The facts do not back up your opinion.
The nut inside started the fires. Vent holes are needed to make hot fires? WTF? I am not saying that the FBI was correct....but there were children in there being raped by a monster. Things escalate. But you had one lunatic who thought he was GOD and told his people to sacrifice their lives for his demented cause.. For you to think that "vent holes" disprove the insanity of that man is astounding to me.
No. You are wrong. This is the story of two sides who made horrible mistakes. But only one side had a nut who thought he was the next messiah, who told his people to die for his cause and who raped little girls. And that side wasn't the freakin' FBI.
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53275 May 13, 2014
TSF Victoria's asinine comment about a drunk republican was quickly answered by my own post about Ted Kennedy.
Do you understand why I can't stand her hypocrisy?
She moronically brings up a story about a drunk idiot republican, pretending only republicans would act like that.
Guess not.
Fanatics, and that's what she is, a fanatic, never admit to being incorrect about ANYTHING.
That's why I detest the thing.
Fanatics have caused a lot of deaths in this world, as they blindly go about their business of "setting things right".
Given a chance, that woman would line everybody she disagrees with up against a wall.
For the" greater good ", of cours
,
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53276 May 13, 2014
Of course.
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53277 May 13, 2014
Be careful, TSF.
Before you "morph" into the idiotic Waco........:-
You've dared disagree with the malevolent Victoria.
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53278 May 13, 2014
You know what's sad, to me?
When you get blitzed in November, you really won't know why.
It'll come as a complete shock.
Will you blame the evil Koch brothers?
Will you blame the stupidity of the voters?
Here's a clue, losers.
Look in the mirror.
Red Square

Mills River, NC

#53279 May 13, 2014
What is unemployment insurance tax?

Unemployment insurance (UI) tax is a tax on employer payrolls paid by employers from which unemployment benefits are paid to qualified unemployed workers. Unemployment tax is not deducted from employee wages. Unemployment tax payments made by employers are transferred to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund in Washington, D.C. Each year a prorated share of the interest earned on this trust fund is added back to the account of each North Carolina employer having a credit experience rating balance.
Red Square

Mills River, NC

#53281 May 13, 2014
The wingnuts always like to make sweeping predictions of doom for their opponents and then when it doesn't happen, they have a sudden case of amnesia. Seen it all before.
State of Florida

Taylorsville, NC

#53282 May 14, 2014
Waco 1954 wrote:
You know what's sad, to me?
When you get blitzed in November, you really won't know why.
It'll come as a complete shock.
Will you blame the evil Koch brothers?
Will you blame the stupidity of the voters?
Here's a clue, losers.
Look in the mirror.
We have already become believers by your Tillis prediction. I have wondered many times where Dick Morris got off to after his Romney landslide prediction. Now, I know. He went to Waco.
Waco 1954

Greer, SC

#53283 May 14, 2014
The LW wingnuts always like to make sweeping generalizations about people and events.
This is the hallmark of an infantile brain.
I also postulated that in my opinion, Tillis would lose to Hagan.
No comments on my prediction?
Of course not.
But you know, since I was wrong about the republican primary, I'm probably wrong about Tillis losing to Hagan!:-)

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