Waco 1909

Lenoir, NC

#49478 Mar 27, 2014
TSF wrote:
Total welfare to rich in 2013 approximately $1.2 trillion US dollars
Total of all social programs combined in 2013 around 0.8 trillion.
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T, i'm gonna do some checking and see if I can't get the figures broken down and analyzed. I want people to see this for themselves. Liable to shock some people.
TSF

Holly Springs, NC

#49479 Mar 27, 2014
Ca democrat Rodrich Wright convicted of 8 felonies and remains on Ca state senate.

Ca democrat Ron Calderon gets 24 indictments, still in the state senate

Ca democrat Leland Yee get 3 indictments

Charlotte Mayor Cannon gets felony indictments, resigns

Republican Bob McDonald gets 14 indictments

Republican Pat McCrory facing ashegate

Republican Chris Christie facing bridgegate

Republican Scott Walker violating federal Hatch Act

Republican Trey Randell gets busted on cocaine , resigns congress

Republican Michael Grimm communicating threats

Politicians gone wild with corruption, from California to Carolinas. Both flavors.
Waco 1909 wrote:
Dems gone wild! Democrats busted from California to Carolinas.....
TSF

Holly Springs, NC

#49480 Mar 27, 2014
Its about time to take off the blinders and see what is really happening. We are being dry cleaned, by dishonesty and it isn't just one party.
Waco 1909 wrote:
<quoted text> T, i'm gonna do some checking and see if I can't get the figures broken down and analyzed. I want people to see this for themselves. Liable to shock some people.
Facts Hurt

Washington, DC

#49481 Mar 27, 2014
Victoria wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, you don't know the costs of EITHER of those situations. The entire "Obama" article sounds like RW BS to me.....something straight from Brietbart or whatever that stupid site's name is.
The point remains true.....they ALL do it. They ALL have big, extravagant political events. Some are necessary....like Obama going overseas for these meetings. Some are totally political theater designed to waste taxpayer money....like Bush's "mission accomplished" fiasco years BEFORE Obama actually "accomplished" Bush's "mission" for him.
Well I think you're a left wing clueless idiot. 100 million dollars for the czar to take the family to Africa during sequester? White House cancels Easter egg hunt? At least 161 rounds of golf (security is not cheap). Trip to Hawaii, trip to china for the fat lady - she is telling the Chinese about freedom of press while the US currently ranks 46 th in the world in freedom of the press. The US press was not allowed to go - how funny is that? It is clueless dumba$$es like yourself who believe this manure. Obummer has lost the worlds respect for the US, 52% of people feel the US is weaker now than 6 years ago. Bummer has NO MILITARY background, NO BUSINESS background, NO POLITICAL background of any substance. COMMUNITY ORGANIZER - that is it. 27.5 million food stamp recipients in Jan 08 and currently 47.5 food stamp recipients. That is one hell of an increase in a short time in this main stream media '"recovery".
Gas prices UP
Utility prices UP
Food prices UP
Health care prices UP
Median income DOWN.
Waco 1909

Lenoir, NC

#49482 Mar 27, 2014
TSF wrote:
Ca democrat Rodrich Wright convicted of 8 felonies and remains on Ca state senate.
Ca democrat Ron Calderon gets 24 indictments, still in the state senate
Ca democrat Leland Yee get 3 indictments
Charlotte Mayor Cannon gets felony indictments, resigns
Republican Bob McDonald gets 14 indictments
Republican Pat McCrory facing ashegate
Republican Chris Christie facing bridgegate
Republican Scott Walker violating federal Hatch Act
Republican Trey Randell gets busted on cocaine , resigns congress
Republican Michael Grimm communicating threats
Politicians gone wild with corruption, from California to Carolinas. Both flavors.
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What exactly did Walker do? CHRISTIE, McCrory, Grimm, haven't been arrested and indicted for anything. You forgot Reid, who also isn't indicted, who gave his granddaughter seventeen thousand dollars of his campaign money. My comment was regarding politicians who were actually arrested and booked.
Waco 1909

Lenoir, NC

#49483 Mar 27, 2014
TSF wrote:
Its about time to take off the blinders and see what is really happening. We are being dry cleaned, by dishonesty and it isn't just one party.
<quoted text>
Well said T.
Waco 1909

Lenoir, NC

#49484 Mar 27, 2014
I get your point regarding the politicians though, T.
hole in the wall

United States

#49485 Mar 27, 2014
TSF wrote:
Its about time to take off the blinders and see what is really happening. We are being dry cleaned, by dishonesty and it isn't just one party.
<quoted text>
Agree
Prince William

UK

#49487 Mar 27, 2014
Waco 1909 wrote:
I get your point regarding the politicians though, T.
Did you graduate elementary school?
Shame

Mount Holly, NC

#49488 Mar 27, 2014
I don't understand why people place blame on one party vs the next. The bottom line is they're all politicians and there is filth on both sides of the spectrum. The democraps and rethuglicans are all buddies behind the scenes and all commit crimes together. No matter which party they represent people fail to realize they're all apart of one party, POLITICIAN! Therefore, there is bound to be deceit, dishonesty, and criminal activity somewhere. Either way, it's a shame whenever it occurs, regardless of which party does it because we all suffer.
Red Square

Hendersonville, NC

#49489 Mar 27, 2014
That's why I appreciate Bush. He would just ride his bike wherever he had to go and pitch a small pup tent to sleep in. For victuals, he would gather some grass and make a simple soup. We will probably never see his like again. And one more thing that most people don't know--Bush made his own golf clubs out of sticks, twine, and rocks. What a guy.
Ben

Lenoir, NC

#49490 Mar 27, 2014
"The Wall Street Journal notes an interesting shift in strategy by the agency in charge of enrollment: a focus on the penalties. In an email to people who had applied for coverage on the website but still hadn't chosen a plan, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Service issued a reminder that "you could pay a fee of up to 1% of your income on your 2014 taxes" by missing the deadline. While the White House and President Obama himself have kept the ObamaCare message upbeat, "enrollment activists and pollsters are finding that the threat of a penalty is one of the most important factors in lower-income uninsured people deciding to find coverage," writes Louise Radnofsky. The stick is proving more effective than the carrot, she adds." That's right, beat'em down with a stick to get them to do as you say. Sounds kinda like history repeating itself or "Putinish" rule.
Ben

Lenoir, NC

#49491 Mar 28, 2014
Victoria wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you posted that....it just backs up MY point about Republicans.
Many of these red states in this list are Republican states, correct? AND they are also on the list of the POOREST states. So do you understand what that means? If not, I will be more than happy to explain it to you.
Those red states are CORPORATION friendly, where big corporations, thanks to Republican leadership, and RICH folks, thanks to Republican leadership, are making a whole lot of money and that money IS NOT "trickling down" to the middle class workers.
There you go....your list with my lists prove my point:
REPUBLICANS screw over the middle class. REPUBLICANS screw over the working class.
Thank you.:)
"Social programs have been implemented to promote a variety of societal goals, including alleviating the effects of poverty on those earning or receiving low income or encountering serious medical problems, and ensuring retired people have a basic standard of living.

Unlike in Europe, Christian democratic and social democratic theories have not played a major role in shaping welfare policy in the United States.[9] Entitlement programs in the U.S. were virtually non-existent until the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the implementation of the New Deal programs in response to the Great Depression. Between 1932 and 1981, modern American liberalism dominated U.S. economic policy and the entitlements grew along with American middle class wealth." "The following is a short timeline of welfare in the United States:[34]

1880s–1890s: Attempts were made to move poor people from work yards to poor houses if they were in search of relief funds.

1893–1894: Attempts were made at the first unemployment payments, but were unsuccessful due to the 1893–1894 recession.

1932: The Great Depression had gotten worse and the first attempts to fund relief failed. The "Emergency Relief Act", which gave local governments $300 million, was passed into law.

1933: In March 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt pushed Congress to establish the Civilian Conservation Corps.

1935: The Social Security Act was passed on June 17, 1935. The bill included direct relief (cash, food stamps, etc.) and changes for unemployment insurance.

1940: Aid to Families With Dependent Children (AFDC) was established.

1964: Johnson’s War on Poverty is underway, and the Economic Opportunity Act was passed. Commonly known as "the Great Society"

1996: Passed under Clinton, the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996" becomes law.

2013: Affordable Care Act goes into effect with large increases in Medicaid and subsidized medical insurance premiums go into effect." http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/social-welfare-spendi... " In the earlier studies, the estimated effects of political and institutional variables proved small or nonexistent. Mogulls (1989) review of the literature found that neither party competition, hypothesized to create incentives to mobilize lower income strata, nor government control by the Democratic Party, viewed as more supportive of spending on social welfare programs, corresponded consistently to state welfare spending in multivariate analyses.

More recent studies amended these conclusions by using more refined models and measures that attempted to isolate the conditions under which political and institutional variables were likely to exert impacts. Brown (1995) claimed that inconsistent and weak effects of party on welfare and other redistributive policies might be due to differences across states in party coalitions. Where parties were divided by class, party control over government was more likely to influence state and local AFDC spending. Brown found that the effects of Democratic Party control of state government were greater where parties were class based."
Ben

Lenoir, NC

#49492 Mar 28, 2014
"He also found, like other studies, that welfare effort was reduced by the percentage of the states population that was black.

Plotnick and Winters (1985; 1990) argued that the effects of political variables were underestimated because total welfare spending, the dependent variable typically used in the early studies, was not controlled by governors and legislators. State officials determined such policies as benefit and eligibility levels. Once these factors were established by law, demographic and economic changes interacted with policies to produce total expenditures. Using a measure of income guarantee for the dependent variable-the cash value of AFDC, Food Stamp, and Medicaid benefits for a nonworking family of four-they found that the size of the guarantee was significantly and directly related to interest group strength, measured by per capita memberships of liberal interest groups in the state, and inter-party competition but that Democratic Party control over state governments and local cost-sharing arrangements exerted no impact. They also found that the population density of the poor was positively related to the size of the guarantee, while smaller guarantees were associated with large numbers of illegitimate births in the state and high proportions of non-white families on welfare.

Other studies followed Plotnick and Winters lead and focused on choices under state control. Gais and Weaver (2002) examined state policy choices under welfare reform and also found that the racial composition of the welfare caseloads and a measure of state conservatism were associated with stronger sanction policies, shorter time limits, and immediate work activity requirements for welfare recipients. Kousser (2002) found that Democratic control of the legislature had strong and positive effects on changes in discretionary spending under Medicaid-but not on mandatory spending. Like other studies, he also found that the size of a states minority population was weakly though significantly related to lower levels of spending. Kousser found that the party of the governor had no impact on spending, nor did a measure of state ideology. "
Ben

Lenoir, NC

#49493 Mar 28, 2014
In the earlier studies, the estimated effects of political and institutional variables proved small or nonexistent. Mogulls (1989) review of the literature found that neither party competition, hypothesized to create incentives to mobilize lower income strata, nor government control by the Democratic Party, viewed as more supportive of spending on social welfare programs, corresponded consistently to state welfare spending in multivariate analyses.

More recent studies amended these conclusions by using more refined models and measures that attempted to isolate the conditions under which political and institutional variables were likely to exert impacts. Brown (1995) claimed that inconsistent and weak effects of party on welfare and other redistributive policies might be due to differences across states in party coalitions. Where parties were divided by class, party control over government was more likely to influence state and local AFDC spending. Brown found that the effects of Democratic Party control of state government were greater where parties were class based. He also found, like other studies, that welfare effort was reduced by the percentage of the states population that was black.

Plotnick and Winters (1985; 1990) argued that the effects of political variables were underestimated because total welfare spending, the dependent variable typically used in the early studies, was not controlled by governors and legislators. State officials determined such policies as benefit and eligibility levels. Once these factors were established by law, demographic and economic changes interacted with policies to produce total expenditures. Using a measure of income guarantee for the dependent variable-the cash value of AFDC, Food Stamp, and Medicaid benefits for a nonworking family of four-they found that the size of the guarantee was significantly and directly related to interest group strength, measured by per capita memberships of liberal interest groups in the state, and inter-party competition but that Democratic Party control over state governments and local cost-sharing arrangements exerted no impact. They also found that the population density of the poor was positively related to the size of the guarantee, while smaller guarantees were associated with large numbers of illegitimate births in the state and high proportions of non-white families on welfare.

Other studies followed Plotnick and Winters lead and focused on choices under state control. Gais and Weaver (2002) examined state policy choices under welfare reform and also found that the racial composition of the welfare caseloads and a measure of state conservatism were associated with stronger sanction policies, shorter time limits, and immediate work activity requirements for welfare recipients. Kousser (2002) found that Democratic control of the legislature had strong and positive effects on changes in discretionary spending under Medicaid-but not on mandatory spending. Like other studies, he also found that the size of a states minority population was weakly though significantly related to lower levels of spending. Kousser found that the party of the governor had no impact on spending, nor did a measure of state ideology.
Rock

Davidson, NC

#49494 Mar 28, 2014
Ben wrote:
"The Wall Street Journal notes an interesting shift in strategy by the agency in charge of enrollment: a focus on the penalties. In an email to people who had applied for coverage on the website but still hadn't chosen a plan, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Service issued a reminder that "you could pay a fee of up to 1% of your income on your 2014 taxes" by missing the deadline. While the White House and President Obama himself have kept the ObamaCare message upbeat, "enrollment activists and pollsters are finding that the threat of a penalty is one of the most important factors in lower-income uninsured people deciding to find coverage," writes Louise Radnofsky. The stick is proving more effective than the carrot, she adds." That's right, beat'em down with a stick to get them to do as you say. Sounds kinda like history repeating itself or "Putinish" rule.
. Ben...it's ok. Remember, democrats love poor people, republicans HATE poor people. This fine and " stick" is only fer their own good...yup, taking $ from poor people or threatening them with fines is ok, because ... Democrat.
Rock

Davidson, NC

#49495 Mar 28, 2014
Shame wrote:
I don't understand why people place blame on one party vs the next. The bottom line is they're all politicians and there is filth on both sides of the spectrum. The democraps and rethuglicans are all buddies behind the scenes and all commit crimes together. No matter which party they represent people fail to realize they're all apart of one party, POLITICIAN! Therefore, there is bound to be deceit, dishonesty, and criminal activity somewhere. Either way, it's a shame whenever it occurs, regardless of which party does it because we all suffer.
. Yes. We ALL know that Goldman and Sachs didn't deliver the goods to both parties during the campaign season... And we ALL know that neither administration packed their cabinets full with those blood suckers...
Waco 1909

Lenoir, NC

#49496 Mar 28, 2014
Prince William wrote:
<quoted text>Did you graduate elementary school?
Elementary, old boy!! I say old man, have you been nipping at the bottle again?
Taxpayer

Smithfield, NC

#49497 Mar 28, 2014
TSF wrote:
Its about time to take off the blinders and see what is really happening. We are being dry cleaned, by dishonesty and it isn't just one party.
<quoted text>
Your right it is one party, your communist owned Democrat party. Using the government as a weapon to steal from Americans.
TSF

Holly Springs, NC

#49498 Mar 28, 2014
Walker has used the power of his office and state employees for his own political campaign. This is a flagrant violation of the federal Hatch Act. His guilt is proven by his email directives. Reid should be indicted. I think McCrory should be indicted for obstruction of justice.. But there is a bigger issue here than our ordinary back and forth dem/pub entertainment. That bigger issue is how some are indicted and others are not indicted. Looks like the big fish, on both sides of the p0olitical aisle, get of "Scott " free
Waco 1909 wrote:
<quoted text> What exactly did Walker do? CHRISTIE, McCrory, Grimm, haven't been arrested and indicted for anything. You forgot Reid, who also isn't indicted, who gave his granddaughter seventeen thousand dollars of his campaign money. My comment was regarding politicians who were actually arrested and booked.

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