TSF

Greenville, NC

#44630 Nov 18, 2013
I will not defend Zimmerman's character, I have never met the man. But I will defend the fact that he was found not guilty of illegal homicide by a jury , even as the US AG and the US President tried to stack the deck against him. Those circumstances are pretty clear evidence that the man was not guilty and the jury felt very strongly so ,even though they faced intense pressure to the contrary...
State of Florida wrote:
Waco. There is news besides Obamacare. It appears that your hero, George Zimmerman, was arrested again today on domestic violence charge filed by his pregnant girlfriend. Are you beginning to see any signs that he is a sick man who is out of control, or are you still a rigid defender of his character?
State of Florida

Taylorsville, NC

#44632 Nov 19, 2013
TSF wrote:
I will not defend Zimmerman's character, I have never met the man. But I will defend the fact that he was found not guilty of illegal homicide by a jury , even as the US AG and the US President tried to stack the deck against him. Those circumstances are pretty clear evidence that the man was not guilty and the jury felt very strongly so ,even though they faced intense pressure to the contrary...
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Yes, they found him not guilty, but I would bet that they are all questioning their decision now. His character had a lot to do with his violent behavior and actions both then and now. He has a hair trigger that he can't control. That is obvious. A dangerous man.
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44633 Nov 19, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
This is how April 19 would be reported today.
72 Killed, 200 Injured In Boston. In an Attempt To Confiscate Banned Assault Weapons”
National guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed on April 19th by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.
Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement. Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group’s organizers as “criminals," issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government’s efforts to secure law and order. The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons.
Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.
One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that “none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily." Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government’s plans. During a tense standoff in Lexington ‘s town park,National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists. Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange.
Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units.
Colonel Smith, finding his forces over matched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat.
Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops. Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as “ringleaders" of the extremist faction, remain at large.
And this, people, is how the American Revolution began .
April 20, 1775
Last night I helped my 8th grader with her homework. She was had a work sheet on the causes, etc. of the Revolutionary war. Okay that was a breeze. As a matter of fact I read back over your post. You are great at history but what about these math problems?

Determine if the relation is a function.
1.{(3,4),(4,6),(5,-7),(3,2),(- 2,5)}
2.{(-4,6),(-3,2),(1,0)(7,6),(8 ,2)}
3.{(-3,4),(-2,5),(0,0),(-2,5), (4,8)}

Yes or no answer.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#44634 Nov 19, 2013
TSF wrote:
You are making projections of your experience into the lives of people who are nothing at all like you and whose situations are unlike yours.. Yes there is a health department here, it is overwhelmed every day. I think I remember you saying you worked as a social worker. I would think that would make you more cognizant of the situation some of these young teenage girls living in remote locations from the health department with no transportation are facing. Yes, they could get off their bum and walk to the he health department in 6 or 7 hours and then walk back home in the dark in another 6 or 7 hours after waiting all day and then maybe not even seeing a nurse.
Chastising them AFTER they are already pregnant serves no useful purpose for them , their families or society.
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TSF, I'm throwing the BS flag on some of this post. You can't tell me that there are no family doctors outside of the health department within 6 or 7 hours of walking distance. Do people not own automobiles where you live? It may take a little juggling of a schedule, but you can make appointments at the health department or a local GP and ask someone for a ride. People where you live must need gas for their cars, grocery stores, pharmacies etc, do they all walk to these places?

I'm not chastising anyone after the fact that was my whole post, be proactive instead of inactive. A physical is good for a year and prescriptions for birth control is too. Surely people where you live have the good sense to understand a day or two of inconvenience is a better deal than raising a child for a lifetime.

Health departments are overwhelmed but once they weed out the druggies it frees up a good bit of time. Where my child works, they no longer give anything stronger than a tylenol #3 and if you need something stronger, you'll need to see a specialist. They work four 10 hour days to accommodate their patients. It can be done.
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44635 Nov 19, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
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This is why the government of the past did not want to give women the vote and they were right. John J the first Supreme Court not only did not want women said, if you do not own property you have no say in the government. Time has proven him, also right.
As you TSF have stated, Women are so lacking in judgment and commonsense they need to be provide education about birth control. It takes all of 5 second to say do not have sex till you are married. Just say NO. That is too hard for them to understand. Look at Monica Lewinsky, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary.


So if a man waits until his 30's or 40's to get married does that mean that he should also wait that long to have sex. Why shouldn't the man just say "NO"?
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44636 Nov 19, 2013
In a trial, decisions should be made based upon the evidence presented AT THE TRIAL. I think the jury did that and would have no reason to question their decision now. Zimmerman was not tried for character or personality . What he has done since then area different issues. You are making the same emotional mistake that you made originally and will not let go of---- that is ---deciding upon guilt before you know all the facts. If I want to get on national news , all I have to do is SAY that George Zimmerman threatened me and pointed a gun at me. His enemies will do that until he dies.
State of Florida wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, they found him not guilty, but I would bet that they are all questioning their decision now. His character had a lot to do with his violent behavior and actions both then and now. He has a hair trigger that he can't control. That is obvious. A dangerous man.
In hospital

United States

#44637 Nov 19, 2013
Pneumonia.Don't leave home without it.
In hospital

United States

#44638 Nov 19, 2013
Why do cops in NM shoot at vans full of kids? Why are people knocking each other out in the streets? Is crazy country
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44639 Nov 19, 2013
Yes, for some of our folks living in remote hollers there are no doctors closer than 6 hours walking time.
Have YOU ever tried to see a doctor with no money in your pocket and no insurance? You will be told "If its an emergency, call or go to the emergency room at the hospital".(the hospital is 2 miles from the health department). With 9.9% unemployment here, you can imagine how many people have no insurance or money. Yes most people here have access t a car, but not all. How many indigent teenage girls do you know who have a car, or money to buy gas, or even money to buy food or even know where the health department is located?
I'm just saying that it makes more sense to educate them in ways to be reproductively responsible in public schools before they get pregnant. The law requires them to be there, transportation is already provided to get them there and educated persons are available to teach them. You want to slow abortions? Educate them and make contraception available. You want to reduce the need for welfare? Educate them. You want to reduce unemployment? Educate them. You want to reduce disease and poverty? Educate them. You get the idea
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, I'm throwing the BS flag on some of this post. You can't tell me that there are no family doctors outside of the health department within 6 or 7 hours of walking distance. Do people not own automobiles where you live? It may take a little juggling of a schedule, but you can make appointments at the health department or a local GP and ask someone for a ride. People where you live must need gas for their cars, grocery stores, pharmacies etc, do they all walk to these places?
I'm not chastising anyone after the fact that was my whole post, be proactive instead of inactive. A physical is good for a year and prescriptions for birth control is too. Surely people where you live have the good sense to understand a day or two of inconvenience is a better deal than raising a child for a lifetime.
Health departments are overwhelmed but once they weed out the druggies it frees up a good bit of time. Where my child works, they no longer give anything stronger than a tylenol #3 and if you need something stronger, you'll need to see a specialist. They work four 10 hour days to accommodate their patients. It can be done.
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44640 Nov 19, 2013
Cops have the right and good reason to use deadly force to protect themselves or others. Cops have no right or reason to use deadly force on a fleeing misdemeanant . Cops have no right or reason to endanger innocents by using deadly force on non threatening misdemeanants. The cops shooting into the vehicle full of children need about 5 years incarceration with Bubba. They love cops in prison.
In hospital wrote:
Why do cops in NM shoot at vans full of kids? Why are people knocking each other out in the streets? Is crazy country

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#44641 Nov 19, 2013
TSF wrote:
Yes, for some of our folks living in remote hollers there are no doctors closer than 6 hours walking time.
Have YOU ever tried to see a doctor with no money in your pocket and no insurance? You will be told "If its an emergency, call or go to the emergency room at the hospital".(the hospital is 2 miles from the health department). With 9.9% unemployment here, you can imagine how many people have no insurance or money. Yes most people here have access t a car, but not all. How many indigent teenage girls do you know who have a car, or money to buy gas, or even money to buy food or even know where the health department is located?
I'm just saying that it makes more sense to educate them in ways to be reproductively responsible in public schools before they get pregnant. The law requires them to be there, transportation is already provided to get them there and educated persons are available to teach them. You want to slow abortions? Educate them and make contraception available. You want to reduce the need for welfare? Educate them. You want to reduce unemployment? Educate them. You want to reduce disease and poverty? Educate them. You get the idea
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TSF, let's be real. You can educate them all you want; however, if they are already sexually active and have managed to miss the bullet of getting pregnant they NEED to see a healthcare professional. A teacher is not a healthcare professional. If a girl and boy are "in love" (as they always think) or just real hot for each other, do you really think they care what a teacher said in class?

I don't know the pregnancy rate for teens in your county, how many middle and high schools there are, but wouldn't it make better sense to hire a FNP, PA or even a semi-retired family doctor to see these children at school with their parents permission? Teachers cannot and should not write prescriptions, they're not trained to be doctors or nurses. I'm meeting you halfway here.

They can even get their prescriptions for birth control free and most times the doctor will give them at least a 3-month supply in the office. They can even get the Depo shot that's good for three months.

I get the idea of education reducing unemployment, poverty etc, but hormones will win the battle of education in the sex ed department almost all the time. Get the idea?
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44642 Nov 19, 2013
Yes. That all makes perfect sense. It WAS starting to happen on a limited basis --physical and mental health care professionals (nurses and doctors on recommendation of the nurse) available in schools . Now with funding reduced , those positions are being eliminated. All that's left is the limited basic education that teachers could provide if they allowed to even do that. I suppose the idea is that if we do not even talk about reproductive issues, the ignorance will stop couples who are hot for each other from indulging. It will not happen that way, never has, never will. Issue avoidance is not the same as issue solutions. As you correctly point out , education will not slow down hormones. With modern methods of contraception available, would it not make sense to teach people how to use them?
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
TSF, let's be real. You can educate them all you want; however, if they are already sexually active and have managed to miss the bullet of getting pregnant they NEED to see a healthcare professional. A teacher is not a healthcare professional. If a girl and boy are "in love" (as they always think) or just real hot for each other, do you really think they care what a teacher said in class?
I don't know the pregnancy rate for teens in your county, how many middle and high schools there are, but wouldn't it make better sense to hire a FNP, PA or even a semi-retired family doctor to see these children at school with their parents permission? Teachers cannot and should not write prescriptions, they're not trained to be doctors or nurses. I'm meeting you halfway here.
They can even get their prescriptions for birth control free and most times the doctor will give them at least a 3-month supply in the office. They can even get the Depo shot that's good for three months.
I get the idea of education reducing unemployment, poverty etc, but hormones will win the battle of education in the sex ed department almost all the time. Get the idea?
In hospital

United States

#44643 Nov 19, 2013
To cut,or to spend, that is the question.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#44644 Nov 19, 2013
TSF wrote:
Yes. That all makes perfect sense. It WAS starting to happen on a limited basis --physical and mental health care professionals (nurses and doctors on recommendation of the nurse) available in schools . Now with funding reduced , those positions are being eliminated. All that's left is the limited basic education that teachers could provide if they allowed to even do that. I suppose the idea is that if we do not even talk about reproductive issues, the ignorance will stop couples who are hot for each other from indulging. It will not happen that way, never has, never will. Issue avoidance is not the same as issue solutions. As you correctly point out , education will not slow down hormones. With modern methods of contraception available, would it not make sense to teach people how to use them?
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TSF, I must be out of the loop. Other than condoms what modern methods of contraception is available without a prescription. B/C pills, IUD's, Depo shots, are only available with a prescription. Teachers can teach what happens as a result of unprotected sex such as STD's, HIV, or unwanted pregnancies. If all you can offer is a picture of how to use contraception if you should ever get it, then the best lesson a teacher can teach is abstinence.

TSF, seriously, have you ever thought about trying to find semi-retired doctors that would each take a day a week without pay or minimal pay to help schools or give the local health department extended help? I know everyone thinks it's the government's place, but it only takes one or two individuals to bring such an idea before their local clinics or health departments. As you seem to have a good knowledge of your neck of the woods, people like you could help out. Also, I think you'd be shocked at the doctors who will donate time.

My child brings me information all the time about free services offered not only by doctors, but dentists too. Do you know if your area has ever had the Mission of Mercy dental team set up in a local church, warehouse not in use or some place to offer free dental services? It's dentists, dental assistants, oral surgeons, people that make dentures on the spot, etc all come together and usually for two days they see people back to back. People come from all parts of the state if they hear about it. Maybe you could help coordinate something like this. There's still good people out there and they don't need the government to tell them what to do, they just do it.
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44646 Nov 19, 2013
I agree with abstinence . I do not really expect that to happen on a widespread scale.
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, I must be out of the loop. Other than condoms what modern methods of contraception is available without a prescription. B/C pills, IUD's, Depo shots, are only available with a prescription. Teachers can teach what happens as a result of unprotected sex such as STD's, HIV, or unwanted pregnancies. If all you can offer is a picture of how to use contraception if you should ever get it, then the best lesson a teacher can teach is abstinence.
TSF, seriously, have you ever thought about trying to find semi-retired doctors that would each take a day a week without pay or minimal pay to help schools or give the local health department extended help? I know everyone thinks it's the government's place, but it only takes one or two individuals to bring such an idea before their local clinics or health departments. As you seem to have a good knowledge of your neck of the woods, people like you could help out. Also, I think you'd be shocked at the doctors who will donate time.
My child brings me information all the time about free services offered not only by doctors, but dentists too. Do you know if your area has ever had the Mission of Mercy dental team set up in a local church, warehouse not in use or some place to offer free dental services? It's dentists, dental assistants, oral surgeons, people that make dentures on the spot, etc all come together and usually for two days they see people back to back. People come from all parts of the state if they hear about it. Maybe you could help coordinate something like this. There's still good people out there and they don't need the government to tell them what to do, they just do it.
In hospital

United States

#44647 Nov 19, 2013
Abstinence is not going to happen in a country that worships instantaneous gratification.
State of Florida

Taylorsville, NC

#44648 Nov 19, 2013
TSF wrote:
In a trial, decisions should be made based upon the evidence presented AT THE TRIAL. I think the jury did that and would have no reason to question their decision now. Zimmerman was not tried for character or personality . What he has done since then area different issues. You are making the same emotional mistake that you made originally and will not let go of---- that is ---deciding upon guilt before you know all the facts. If I want to get on national news , all I have to do is SAY that George Zimmerman threatened me and pointed a gun at me. His enemies will do that until he dies.
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Reading the most recent article, Zimmerman had a prior Domestic assault in 2005 and was ordered to complete anger management sessions. Along with his two recent Domestic assaults and a murder charge, do you think that this man needs to be walking around with a gun in his possession?
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44649 Nov 19, 2013
State of Florida wrote:
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Reading the most recent article, Zimmerman had a prior Domestic assault in 2005 and was ordered to complete anger management sessions. Along with his two recent Domestic assaults and a murder charge, do you think that this man needs to be walking around with a gun in his possession?
IMO no. After being found not guilty of murder, Zimmerman seems to think he is invincible. Thinks he can just walk around pistol whippping anyone he wants. IMO, he's just as guilty as OJ. I put little faith in our court system. Like everything else it's a white collar money racket, where you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. That is, if you have enough money to do so.
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44650 Nov 19, 2013
BTW, many a person has taken a plea bargin and admitted guilt even though they were innocent, just because it was easier to do the time than come up with the money they did not have to fight for justice.
State of Florida

Taylorsville, NC

#44652 Nov 19, 2013
If George Zimmerman is allowed to purchase a gun with his record, then I should be allowed to purchase a nuclear weapon with mine.

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