Petitions: Keep Old Fort police

Apr 21, 2010 | Posted by: boomslang | Full story: www2.mcdowellnews.com

Folks opposed to the possible elimination of Old Fort's police force, including some former town officials, voiced strong opinions Monday during an emotional meeting of the Board of Aldermen.

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Apr 21, 2010
 
This issue is a festering problem that will not be resolved anytime soon. The impact could have been lessened by Mayor Norton if he had simply called a public forum, and told the citizens the truth about why the Old Fort P.D. should be disbanded. I don't think any of us have heard the real truth behind all of this. Sure, there are plenty of rumors going around, but the citizens want to know what's "really" going on. The new political buzzword nowadays is "misinformation". President Obama brought it to the forefront in the healthcare debate, Dr. Trollinger had to pull off the highway because of it, and now we hear it from the Mayor and Aldermen in Old Fort. The only way to prevent misinformation, is tell the truth from the beginning.

We knew something was afoot, when Sue Gibbs took over as the Police Department manager, and all of a sudden, the police department had to mark all their cars. Why? The County Sheriffs department has them, Marion P.D. has them, The State troopers use them. So something was already transpiring at that point, and it went downhill from there.

Then the rumors about Mayor Nortons niece and drug possession, and all sorts of things came down the pike. Yet the mayor and Aldermen still have not given a clear cut explaination about why this move is necessary or even prudent.

It's not the citizens fault if the town is now in a fiscal bind by promising to lower taxes, and then find themselves in a $90,000.00 budget shortfall. That was a rediculous move in one of the worst economic downturns this nation has seen since the depression. The town of Old Fort is using inmate labor to clean streets, water flowers, etc., and the maintenance department is buying new equipment, so why disband the police dept.?

Mayor Norton may have forgot, that the citizens in Marion also pay city and county taxes, but does he think we should get rid of Marion P.D. as well??

Something stinks here folks.
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Apr 21, 2010
 
Its also obvious that Mayor Norton and Sue Gibbs have a problem with Melvin "Shady" Lytle, Jr. and don't have the guts to reprimand him for whatever and be done with it or worse case terminate him. If however, they do not have factual documented information to do this then perhaps its a case of personality conflict between the Mayor and the Chief of Police? And maybe the Mayor is looking for alternative ways to get back at his Chief another way? If that is the case then I certainly hope Chief Lytle is speaking with an attorney regarding recourse.

Regardless it appears all of this power struggle is at the cost of the citizens in Old Fort and they will be the ultimate losers if Mayor Norton and his puppets continue their current course of action.

I think the citizens of Old Fort would also like to know more information regarding the baiting of bears into the town by Mayor Norton for video and publicity purposes that has been rumored as well? This greatly endangers the public when wild animals are fed in occupied areas and to my knowledge is against the law. Possibly a federal offense depending on the recurrence and to what degree.

Nothing is adding up in the town of Old Fort at the present and the citizens do need to know what is really going on and behind all of this secrecy. You can't be in a budget crunch so bad you need to dissolve your police force and at the same time buy new equipment for the maintenance department, it just doesn't add up.

As "boomslang" stated something stinks.

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Apr 21, 2010
 
Do not the citizens of the Town of Old Fort have the right to have a recall election upon the certification of the appropriate number of signatures on a petition requesting the same?

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Apr 21, 2010
 
Question All Authority wrote:
Do not the citizens of the Town of Old Fort have the right to have a recall election upon the certification of the appropriate number of signatures on a petition requesting the same?
Yes they do. It is based upon a percentage of voters living inside the limits of the township. The board of elections can give the necessary information as it pertains to a recall petition. I was impressed by Sheila Adams letter to the editor, and her request to the Mayor for a ballot referendum. The Mayor quickly said no of course, because he knows the outcome.

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Apr 21, 2010
 
OK....The bear issue started the trouble between Mayor Norton and chief Lytle.....Norton was feeding bears for personal pleasure of watching them, then one of the maintenance dept. workers started feeding them...next thing you know they were everywhere...scattering trash at the trailer park, raiding dumpsters, and eventually ended up in chief Lytle's yard where his child was playing...he shot the bear (didn't kill it)Norton called wildlife or some agency....they came from Raleigh and investigated. Norton was reprimanded for feeding wild bears and told that if anyone was hurt or property damage done HE would be responsible. Then when Shady arrested his neice in OF cracktown...that just fanned the flames.

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Apr 21, 2010
 
Isis130 wrote:
OK....The bear issue started the trouble between Mayor Norton and chief Lytle.....Norton was feeding bears for personal pleasure of watching them, then one of the maintenance dept. workers started feeding them...next thing you know they were everywhere...scattering trash at the trailer park, raiding dumpsters, and eventually ended up in chief Lytle's yard where his child was playing...he shot the bear (didn't kill it)Norton called wildlife or some agency....they came from Raleigh and investigated. Norton was reprimanded for feeding wild bears and told that if anyone was hurt or property damage done HE would be responsible. Then when Shady arrested his neice in OF cracktown...that just fanned the flames.
That's amazing. Mayor Norton gets reprimanded for violating the law, so his answer is just to get rid of the law. The citizens of Old Fort should be up in arms.(not literally).

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Apr 21, 2010
 
Is it just a rumor that Mayor Nortons niece got arrested in Old Fort's crack town, or is this a documented fact?

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Apr 21, 2010
 
boomslang wrote:
Is it just a rumor that Mayor Nortons niece got arrested in Old Fort's crack town, or is this a documented fact?
It's a fact....was on news 13....matter of public record...
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Apr 21, 2010
 
....and the plot thickens
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Apr 22, 2010
 
boomslang wrote:
Is it just a rumor that Mayor Nortons niece got arrested in Old Fort's crack town, or is this a documented fact?
she was not in crack town she was at the fish camp all charges were dropped lack of evidence (which i dont understand if they found drugs where did they go)
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Apr 22, 2010
 
Isis130 wrote:
OK....The bear issue started the trouble between Mayor Norton and chief Lytle.....Norton was feeding bears for personal pleasure of watching them, then one of the maintenance dept. workers started feeding them...next thing you know they were everywhere...scattering trash at the trailer park, raiding dumpsters, and eventually ended up in chief Lytle's yard where his child was playing...he shot the bear (didn't kill it)Norton called wildlife or some agency....they came from Raleigh and investigated. Norton was reprimanded for feeding wild bears and told that if anyone was hurt or property damage done HE would be responsible. Then when Shady arrested his neice in OF cracktown...that just fanned the flames.
oh and chief "shady" is just an all around honorable guy, huh? PLEASE!!! What a joke. That PD has been in hot water every since he got there. I live in Old Fort, and I will be glad to see that joke of a dept go. I would much rather rely on ppl who know what they are doing than those kids and their "shady" chief....
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Apr 23, 2010
 
What the people of Old Fort should do is target City Aldermen seats for the next election. That is where the power is. The Mayor can not do ANYTHING unless the City Aldermen vote to go along with him.

Don't wait your effort on trying to oust Garland, target his voting base and take the wind out of his sails.
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Budda Daddy wrote:
What the people of Old Fort should do is target City Aldermen seats for the next election. That is where the power is. The Mayor can not do ANYTHING unless the City Aldermen vote to go along with him.
Don't wait your effort on trying to oust Garland, target his voting base and take the wind out of his sails.
that is exactly what the voters did this last time...they targeted aldermen seats and finally got a board who can begin the process of straightening out the old fort issues and move the town in the right direction. if you haven't lived in old fort in the last 8 yrs then you really don't understand the issue. if you haven't seen a budget and the number of people on the payroll- especially in the mayors office then you don't understand the problems the citizens have had. it's true the mayor does not have the authority to hire and fire or to eliminate positions- only the aldermen do and that's been part of the whole problem. begin by looking at the budget and noticing the payroll personnel and their salaries- compare them to others in their positions in towns similar to the size of old fort. those positions were created by a former board and that board had a history of hiring relatives. while you're at it look at the salary increases over the years. it's time the budget came in line and finally there is a board willing to take the heat to address these issues. it won't be popular but sometimes the right thing isn't.

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Apr 23, 2010
 
There is ONE, and ONLY ONE alderman who is not controlled by Norton.....the rest of them vote the way he tells them to vote, make the motions they are told to make, etc....of course the meeting to make THOSE decisions have always been held in the back room of the drugstore...I do know the budget, and the number on payroll. And if you think Norton doesn't decide who's hired or fired or eliminated, I'm sorry, but you're niave. Garland Norton has an agenda...a plan...and he is moving forward with that plan...it WILL come to light..........

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Apr 23, 2010
 
Isis130 wrote:
There is ONE, and ONLY ONE alderman who is not controlled by Norton.....the rest of them vote the way he tells them to vote, make the motions they are told to make, etc....of course the meeting to make THOSE decisions have always been held in the back room of the drugstore...I do know the budget, and the number on payroll. And if you think Norton doesn't decide who's hired or fired or eliminated, I'm sorry, but you're niave. Garland Norton has an agenda...a plan...and he is moving forward with that plan...it WILL come to light..........
There is strong information to back up your claim already available. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. I hope that the town continues to see Mayor Norton for what he is and will start petitions to recall him as Mayor. The same needs to be done for Sue Gibbs and a few other alderman as well.

The one person that I know of that UNSELFISHLY looks out for the town of Old Fort is Wayne Stafford. While he may not have been the most educated / business minded mayor for the town, he at least gives the town 100% of his heart and does not allow money in his own pocket to waiver his thought process.

Please continue to fight this Old Fort and do not allow a mistake you will regret by dissolving your police presence in the town. There is a huge difference between a police presence and a sheriff's office presence. In addition, once dissolved its not as easy as Mayor Norton makes it sound to start it up again in a year if you are not happy with the results. There would be legalities, certifications, new start-up costs, and much more once its been dissolved.
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Apr 23, 2010
 
Progress Marion wrote:
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There is strong information to back up your claim already available. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. I hope that the town continues to see Mayor Norton for what he is and will start petitions to recall him as Mayor. The same needs to be done for Sue Gibbs and a few other alderman as well.
The one person that I know of that UNSELFISHLY looks out for the town of Old Fort is Wayne Stafford. While he may not have been the most educated / business minded mayor for the town, he at least gives the town 100% of his heart and does not allow money in his own pocket to waiver his thought process.
Please continue to fight this Old Fort and do not allow a mistake you will regret by dissolving your police presence in the town. There is a huge difference between a police presence and a sheriff's office presence. In addition, once dissolved its not as easy as Mayor Norton makes it sound to start it up again in a year if you are not happy with the results. There would be legalities, certifications, new start-up costs, and much more once its been dissolved.
The fact that you believe wayne stafford is the only one looking out for the good of old fort reinforces my belief that you may not totally understand the situation. do you live in old fort?
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Isis130 wrote:
There is ONE, and ONLY ONE alderman who is not controlled by Norton.....the rest of them vote the way he tells them to vote, make the motions they are told to make, etc....of course the meeting to make THOSE decisions have always been held in the back room of the drugstore...I do know the budget, and the number on payroll. And if you think Norton doesn't decide who's hired or fired or eliminated, I'm sorry, but you're niave. Garland Norton has an agenda...a plan...and he is moving forward with that plan...it WILL come to light..........
As a property owner and business owner in old fort, having dealt with the mayor, his office, the town hall, and the aldermen...i would totally disagree with your viewpoint. Do you even know Carol Miller? He doesn't vote the way someone tells him to vote-he's definitely his own person.
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Apr 23, 2010
 
If a town/city dissolves their police force, does that initiate a cancelation of their charter?

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oh and chief "shady" is just an all around honorable guy, huh? PLEASE!!! What a joke. That PD has been in hot water every since he got there. I live in Old Fort, and I will be glad to see that joke of a dept go. I would much rather rely on ppl who know what they are doing than those kids and their "shady" chief....
What do you mean "every since he got here"? He has been with the OFPD for years before he was promoted to chief.

How difficult will it be to get a county officer in Old Fort? If you think they will be posted in the area for convenience you are very wrong.
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Apr 25, 2010
 
Well we went up to the Grove Park saturday and played a round of golf. I signed the bill for green fees and cart fees. After we finished playing golf we had a super lunch of Smoked Alaskan Salmon and some really good desserts. When we got up to leave the women asked me about the bill and how I was going to handle it. I simply told her I was from Old Fort and we don"t pay our own bills, just send the bill to McDowell County.

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