Why do some churches teach that 1611 ...

Why do some churches teach that 1611 KJV is the only true word of God.

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OFpreacher

Mars Hill, NC

#1 Aug 10, 2012
I asked this in a different post and only got one person that was willing to answer. I'm not looking for an argument. I just don't understand why. I just want to discuss the evidence and facts in regard to the translations. I see it on church signs and church vans all the time. 1611 KJV only, why?
mormonbob

Burnsville, NC

#2 Aug 10, 2012
I think the Book of Mormon would be more beneficial to you with your deep pockets and intellect. Rich noseholders are very welcome to build a home on Kolob the planet of future god-men.
OFpreacher

United States

#3 Aug 10, 2012
mormonbob wrote:
I think the Book of Mormon would be more beneficial to you with your deep pockets and intellect. Rich noseholders are very welcome to build a home on Kolob the planet of future god-men.
If you have manuscript evidence or any proof of origin I may consider giving it a look. Other wise as the apostle Paul says, "be accursed".

Does anyone have any comments relevant to this discussion?

“Well yeah...”

Since: Sep 09

Right next to ya

#4 Aug 10, 2012
OFpreacher wrote:
<quoted text>If you have manuscript evidence or any proof of origin I may consider giving it a look. Other wise as the apostle Paul says, "be accursed".

Does anyone have any comments relevant to this discussion?
I think the other thread is about as intelligent a discussion as you are going to get on Topix. Not sure why you think a new thread will result anything more. The definition of insanity is sometimes doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
OFpreacher

United States

#5 Aug 10, 2012
Mea Maxima Culpa wrote:
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I think the other thread is about as intelligent a discussion as you are going to get on Topix. Not sure why you think a new thread will result anything more. The definition of insanity is sometimes doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
You do have a good point. Never mind .

Since: Aug 12

United States

#6 Aug 13, 2012
OFpreacher wrote:
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If you have manuscript evidence or any proof of origin I may consider giving it a look. Other wise as the apostle Paul says, "be accursed".
Does anyone have any comments relevant to this discussion?
I think we should stick with wat the word of God says because it was sent from him to teach us it tells us the way the truth and the life of our lord Jesus Christ. He died so we wouldn't half to he died for our sins . We should all live for him. Its better to believe in him and live for him then die not knowing what could have been but go to church ( a church that's been around forever not the new onset they DONT know what their talking about.) An old Gospel Baptist church with a yelling preacher trust me it'll do u good
really

Boiling Springs, SC

#7 Aug 13, 2012
OFpreacher wrote:
I asked this in a different post and only got one person that was willing to answer. I'm not looking for an argument. I just don't understand why. I just want to discuss the evidence and facts in regard to the translations. I see it on church signs and church vans all the time. 1611 KJV only, why?
a preacher looking for answers on topix...would ask a dumb question like that

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#8 Aug 13, 2012
I asked this question in this format because I have had some experiences where young christians who were reading their bible every day and growing in their faith and understanding of scripture encountered a family member or fellow believer that told them they were going to hell for not reading the KJV.

I was hoping someone could explain where this teaching comes from. And if there is any evidence to back it up.
sportsfan71

Washington, PA

#10 Aug 14, 2012
Maybe it is because the KJV says, that when you bring an accursed thing into your home, you become an accursed thing like it. I won't go so far as to say, all other versions have set out to change the Word of God, but the Bible does say that anyone who adds to or takes away from this book will have the plagues of the Book added unto them and will have their name taken out of the Book of Life. You as a preacher, should respect their opinion as the parent, after all in their belief, this is not said to harm the child, but in fact to keep them from danger. If you tell the child their parent is wrong, when they are trying to keep them from danger, how many other times in a child's life might they be harmed, because they doubted the beliefs or word of their parents, about the dangers of something?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#11 Aug 14, 2012
sportsfan71 wrote:
Maybe it is because the KJV says, that when you bring an accursed thing into your home, you become an accursed thing like it. I won't go so far as to say, all other versions have set out to change the Word of God, but the Bible does say that anyone who adds to or takes away from this book will have the plagues of the Book added unto them and will have their name taken out of the Book of Life. You as a preacher, should respect their opinion as the parent, after all in their belief, this is not said to harm the child, but in fact to keep them from danger. If you tell the child their parent is wrong, when they are trying to keep them from danger, how many other times in a child's life might they be harmed, because they doubted the beliefs or word of their parents, about the dangers of something?

Do you really think some one is cursed if they bring an accurately translated English bible into their home. If a preacher says "in other words" and explains a verse of scripture, is he cursed? What if words like the, of, is, or pronouns are added where the don't appear in the original text to fit the language it's being translated in to? Are they cursed too? What if some one misquotes scripture word for word but gives a clear representation of it? Are the cursed too. What if a seminary student has a typo in a paper? Are they cursed too? Is that adding or taking away? What if words are added in the process of translation to clarify meaning? Does that make it corrupt? Or cursed? I know that this is the argument. That somehow translating found manuscripts takes away or adds to the word of God. What about when Jesus is quoted in the gospels? If one gospel writer puts it in different words than another are they cursed? What about when Jesus quotes old testament scripture in the new testament translating from Hebrew to Greek? He rarely quotes it word for word. Is Jesus cursed too.? What exactly is the standard? If some one is trying to accurately communicat what the original text says to win souls is that not the point? And if it is how is that point lost in what I'm saying?
sportsfan71

Fresno, CA

#12 Aug 14, 2012
You are a complete idiot aren't you? You totally miss the point that was made and latch on to the ignorance of your previous argument. Where in that post did you get, that I said if someone brings an accurately translated English version in their home they become cursed? However, many of us believe that some of the new translations are in fact an accursed thing, whether you chose to believe it or not.

You act as if God has sent you here personally, to set all these ignorant, inbred, backwoods, country, hillbillies, straight as to the fact, it's OK to use other Bibles, any other Bible. My point was what gives you the right to dispute someone, whose personal conviction, is that the KJV is an accurate divinely inspired English translation or tells their children that changing it is wrong. What gives you the right to say, that this person is wrong. You've said yourself "it is an accurate English translation" so what's really your problem with the KJV?

If your goal is to prove me wrong, then do it. If your goal is to show, you are smarter than me, then do it. If your goal is to continue to dispute any valid argument anyone puts forth, then just continue doing what you're doing. If your intent is to go to war with me, over my right to tell my kids, that the KJV is accurate, understandable, given by God, useful for study, not out of date and the Bible we will use in my house, then let's do this.

Since: Aug 12

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#13 Aug 14, 2012
sportsfan71 wrote:
You are a complete idiot aren't you? You totally miss the point that was made and latch on to the ignorance of your previous argument. Where in that post did you get, that I said if someone brings an accurately translated English version in their home they become cursed? However, many of us believe that some of the new translations are in fact an accursed thing, whether you chose to believe it or not.
You act as if God has sent you here personally, to set all these ignorant, inbred, backwoods, country, hillbillies, straight as to the fact, it's OK to use other Bibles, any other Bible. My point was what gives you the right to dispute someone, whose personal conviction, is that the KJV is an accurate divinely inspired English translation or tells their children that changing it is wrong. What gives you the right to say, that this person is wrong. You've said yourself "it is an accurate English translation" so what's really your problem with the KJV?
If your goal is to prove me wrong, then do it. If your goal is to show, you are smarter than me, then do it. If your goal is to continue to dispute any valid argument anyone puts forth, then just continue doing what you're doing. If your intent is to go to war with me, over my right to tell my kids, that the KJV is accurate, understandable, given by God, useful for study, not out of date and the Bible we will use in my house, then let's do this.
My question is what is the standard for what is cursed and what is not cursed? do you have a list of translations that are cursed? can you tell me why they are cursed? and as i said before I don't have a problem with the KJV. I have a problem with people saying other translations are inferior or bad, or cursed. I have a problem with people who say you going to hell for reading anything but the kjv. i have a problem with people who call any preacher a false prophet, not based on the content of their preaching, but that they use a different translation than KJV. I have a problem with people who compare newly saved children to demon possessed men because they were saved from preaching from a translation other than the KJV. I have a problem with people who compare leaders of fruitful Christian ministries where lives are being changed for Christ to child molesters. this is why I asked this question to begin with. Because this philosophy has discouraged people with sincere intentions to do good. it has caused new believers to stumble. It has deterred people from hearing the gospel from gifted preachers. just because they read a different translation of the bible.
sportsfan71

United States

#14 Aug 14, 2012
The word it's self says not to add to or take away from it, that's what I have a problem with.

Preachers that deny that things are being changed in other versions, when presented with evidence.

Preachers that who lie, I never compared newly saved children to demon posessed men. You sir are a liar.

Preachers who say, just study, doesn't matter what you study, as long as it's a bible.

Preachers, especially one's like you, who start topics like this to discredit the KJV, then change their story to "It's Accurate", but here read this instead, it's easier to understand.

Preachers who boast of the wonderful works of their ministries, to say I couldn't possibly be wrong, look for yourselves, people are getting saved. I say you have your reward.

Preachers that say, because you tell new converts they should use the KJV, which by your own admission, is an accurate translation, that you are somehow putting a stumbling block before them.

Preachers, that think they have a right to tell a parent or the parents child, they are wrong to make them use the KJV.

That's what I have a problem with, but mostly just over educated, arrogant asses, such as yourself that stir up trouble, cause confusion, division and make people believe it's ok to keep changing the word of God. To say that the KJV, is accurate as well as all the new translations out there, is ignorance on your part. How can you have 20 different versions, all in English and none of them be wrong or different, without all of them saying, word for word the same thing?
sportsfan71

United States

#15 Aug 14, 2012
As for me referring to you as a "false prophet", I wasn't basing that on what you preach from your pulpit, I was basing it on what you are preaching here.
sportsfan71

United States

#16 Aug 14, 2012
Can you present us with a list of all the bible translations , you will stake your "personal salvation" on, that they are word for word, an accurate translation of the Word of God, from the Greek and Hebrew texts and have nothing left out, changed, or added to them? Not ones you like.
over educated

Asheville, NC

#17 Aug 14, 2012
My Presbyterian mother always told me that Baptists and Catholics were not real Christians. Even as a child, I was smart enough not to believe her.
sportsfan71

Parrottsville, TN

#18 Aug 14, 2012
over educated wrote:
My Presbyterian mother always told me that Baptists and Catholics were not real Christians. Even as a child, I was smart enough not to believe her.
I feel ya, but I bet at the time you thought, she was telling you the truth. I grew up with a whole lot of people and preachers telling me things were in the Bible that weren't and this came from a church that strictly preached and taught from the KJV. ie. women shouldn't wear make-up or jewelry, women should wear dresses only, if you commit one sin after you're saved and don't ask forgiveness for it before you die you'll go to hell, if you don't speak in tongues you can't have the Holy Spirit, Eve ate an apple, Johna was swallowed by a whale, etc. etc. etc. Only to find out for myself later, the Bible doesn't say, any of that. That's why we must guard ourselves along with the Word of God, from those who teach it falsely or tell you it doesn't matter what you read as long as you read. There's one thing that will always hold true, while reading and that's once you read something, you can't unread it.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#19 Aug 14, 2012
sportsfan71 wrote:
Can you present us with a list of all the bible translations , you will stake your "personal salvation" on, that they are word for word, an accurate translation of the Word of God, from the Greek and Hebrew texts and have nothing left out, changed, or added to them? Not ones you like.
Any translation that is a "literal" translation or a "dynamic equevolent" is a trust worthy translation.
There are some good paraphrases but I view them as commentary more than scripture.( but still useful)

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#20 Aug 14, 2012
sportsfan71 wrote:
Can you present us with a list of all the bible translations , you will stake your "personal salvation" on, that they are word for word, an accurate translation of the Word of God, from the Greek and Hebrew texts and have nothing left out, changed, or added to them? Not ones you like.
Can you answer my question? What is the standard of "adding or taking away" ? If a translator adds a pronoun to fit the sentence structure, is that it. What about adding words like the, of, is , a or an? How do I know if a translation is accursed?
over educated

Asheville, NC

#21 Aug 14, 2012
The old English translation is difficult for me to understand and leads to a variety of personal interpretations. I fall asleep after 2 pages.

Why worry about punctuation and sentence structure when who knows how much of the story was altered during the 100 years before the first written composition?

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