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Since: Aug 12

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#1 Dec 17, 2012
Since the tragedy in Coneticut there has been a lot of talk about guns and who should or should not have access to them. I personally believe this was a breakdown in the mental health system rather than weak gun laws. I keep hearing that the guns used in the massacre were obtained legally. I may have this totally wrong, but if the guns belonged to the sicko's mother and if he took them without her permission, that's theft. I just don't think he said "hey mom, you mind if I borrow your arsenal to come to your school and shoot you, 5 of your co-workers and 20 students?" And if he did I don't think she said sure, why not?
ya ya

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#2 Dec 17, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
Since the tragedy in Coneticut there has been a lot of talk about guns and who should or should not have access to them. I personally believe this was a breakdown in the mental health system rather than weak gun laws. I keep hearing that the guns used in the massacre were obtained legally. I may have this totally wrong, but if the guns belonged to the sicko's mother and if he took them without her permission, that's theft. I just don't think he said "hey mom, you mind if I borrow your arsenal to come to your school and shoot you, 5 of your co-workers and 20 students?" And if he did I don't think she said sure, why not?
I agree totally. I believe demons find weak minded menally ill people to use to do the devils work. When people hear voices its either angels or demons and free will allows a choice to b made. Hate or love ,God or satan what do you think? I also don't understand how the nurse at that school hid under her desk. How can anyone hide while kids are screaming and being killed. I would've said my prayers and went after him as soon as he passed me up I couldn't live with myself knowing I hid while kids died. He looked like he didn't weigh that much had to b somethin layn @to hit him with.
anon

Baltimore, MD

#3 Dec 17, 2012
well considering you don't even have your facts straight on what happened friday i don't think you opinion even matters as it is uneducated.
ya ya

United States

#4 Dec 17, 2012
anon wrote:
well considering you don't even have your facts straight on what happened friday i don't think you opinion even matters as it is uneducated.
anon believer?
Agree

Marion, NC

#5 Dec 17, 2012
His mother wasn't connected to the school. Anon was right you need to get some facts straight. Kinda embarrassing morons. Why start another thread about this anyway.

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#6 Dec 17, 2012
Agree wrote:
His mother wasn't connected to the school. Anon was right you need to get some facts straight. Kinda embarrassing morons. Why start another thread about this anyway.
Sorry to all. I've been a little out of touch with the TV and such over the last few days. I've only gotten bits and pieces of the story, but I thought I heard that his mom worked at the school.

Since: Sep 10

Marion, NC

#7 Dec 17, 2012
ya ya wrote:
<quoted text>I agree totally. I believe demons find weak minded menally ill people to use to do the devils work. When people hear voices its either angels or demons and free will allows a choice to b made. Hate or love ,God or satan what do you think? I also don't understand how the nurse at that school hid under her desk. How can anyone hide while kids are screaming and being killed. I would've said my prayers and went after him as soon as he passed me up I couldn't live with myself knowing I hid while kids died. He looked like he didn't weigh that much had to b somethin layn @to hit him with.
If you are hearing voices, are you not beyond free will at that point? This is just another case of someone who was mentally ill, showed the signs and everyone choosing to ignore it. And then people are actually shocked when these things happen!
ya ya

United States

#8 Dec 17, 2012
Last Screenname Left wrote:
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If you are hearing voices, are you not beyond free will at that point? This is just another case of someone who was mentally ill, showed the signs and everyone choosing to ignore it. And then people are actually shocked when these things happen!
I don't know. That's why my question was for the preacher. The killers mom volunteered at that school.,...hln news said.
ya ya

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#9 Dec 17, 2012
Agree wrote:
His mother wasn't connected to the school. Anon was right you need to get some facts straight. Kinda embarrassing morons. Why start another thread about this anyway.
why u bn nosy then dnt read it. Charles manson.

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#10 Dec 17, 2012
Last Screenname Left wrote:
<quoted text>If you are hearing voices, are you not beyond free will at that point? This is just another case of someone who was mentally ill, showed the signs and everyone choosing to ignore it. And then people are actually shocked when these things happen!
I agree. Also just labeling as "sicko" or "demon possessed" is part of the issue. You can't pray away mental illness. It's been reported that he was somewhere in the autistic spectrum. Not sure if that is confirmed or not. The mental health system is broken.
Republican

Marion, NC

#11 Dec 17, 2012
Mea Maxima Culpa wrote:
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I agree. Also just labeling as "sicko" or "demon possessed" is part of the issue. You can't pray away mental illness. It's been reported that he was somewhere in the autistic spectrum. Not sure if that is confirmed or not. The mental health system is broken.
It's been confirmed...by the way has anyone ever told you what a pretty set of lips you have.

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#12 Dec 17, 2012
Republican wrote:
<quoted text>It's been confirmed...by the way has anyone ever told you what a pretty set of lips you have.
Why thank you :-D
Think about it

Marion, NC

#13 Dec 17, 2012
Ok this is how I see it . The assault rifle he used did alot of damage if he had used just a plain old shot gun he couldn't have done as much damage in as short of an amount of time. Same thing with a Pitbull some people will swear they are the best sweetest dogs and people are wrong about them. Pitbulls have more capability than any other dog of doing the most damage if they attack someone. Their jaws have soooo much pressure and they disarm and attack. its what they were bred to do. If a poodle bites you it's going to hurt but its not going to kill you they don't have anywhere near the jaw strength of a Pitbull. So maybe a few things with guns need to change I also think this a mental health issue too

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#14 Dec 17, 2012
ya ya wrote:
<quoted text>I agree totally. I believe demons find weak minded menally ill people to use to do the devils work. When people hear voices its either angels or demons and free will allows a choice to b made. Hate or love ,God or satan what do you think? I also don't understand how the nurse at that school hid under her desk. How can anyone hide while kids are screaming and being killed. I would've said my prayers and went after him as soon as he passed me up I couldn't live with myself knowing I hid while kids died. He looked like he didn't weigh that much had to b somethin layn @to hit him with.
I believe as many do that demon possession exists, however I have never read about a case where demonic possession was a reason for commiting a violent senseless crime. Most often it is the criminal using the devil made me do it as a defense. We can not blur the line between demonic possession and mental illness. Some have said the shooter suffered from Asperger's syndrome, a high functioning form of autism. One of the symptoms of this is the inability to feel empathy for others. I am very similar with this diagnosis because my son has the same type of autism. These kids require intense care, as well as constant oversight by mental health professionals. I believe these kinds of things happen when parents treat their mentally ill children as though they were not mentally ill. For example in my family it is pretty much a tradition that at age 5 you get a BB gun for Christmas and at 9 you get a 22 rifle or a 410 shotgun. My son did not get either. Not because I thought he would go shoot up an elementary school, but just because I realized he did not have the capacity to understand the responsibility of owning fire arms.

Long story short: the parents bare some of the responsibility for this tragedy, but from what I know about this disorder he does have the capacity to know right from wrong. This is why I used the label "sicko". Anyone who kills 26 people for no good reason is a sicko.

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#15 Dec 17, 2012
Think about it wrote:
Ok this is how I see it . The assault rifle he used did alot of damage if he had used just a plain old shot gun he couldn't have done as much damage in as short of an amount of time. Same thing with a Pitbull some people will swear they are the best sweetest dogs and people are wrong about them. Pitbulls have more capability than any other dog of doing the most damage if they attack someone. Their jaws have soooo much pressure and they disarm and attack. its what they were bred to do. If a poodle bites you it's going to hurt but its not going to kill you they don't have anywhere near the jaw strength of a Pitbull. So maybe a few things with guns need to change I also think this a mental health issue too
I know this is a tired old argument but it holds a lot of truth. The right to bare arms is partially designed to allow law abiding citizens to defend their lives and property against criminals. If we criminalize the possession of AR15 rifles, then only criminals will have them. And law abiding citizens are left to defend themselves with inferior weapons. I believe the best solution is to develop a data base of mentally ill people that could be cross referenced with the criminal background check that is already in place.
Researcher

Killeen, TX

#16 Dec 18, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
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I know this is a tired old argument but it holds a lot of truth. The right to bare arms is partially designed to allow law abiding citizens to defend their lives and property against criminals. If we criminalize the possession of AR15 rifles, then only criminals will have them. And law abiding citizens are left to defend themselves with inferior weapons. I believe the best solution is to develop a data base of mentally ill people that could be cross referenced with the criminal background check that is already in place.
Can you provide EVIDENCE, from a credible source, that an armed civilian HAS EVER stopped or even affected a mass shooting?
Jim Holmes

Marion, NC

#17 Dec 18, 2012
ya ya wrote:
<quoted text>I agree totally. I believe demons find weak minded menally ill people to use to do the devils work. When people hear voices its either angels or demons and free will allows a choice to b made. Hate or love ,God or satan what do you think? I also don't understand how the nurse at that school hid under her desk. How can anyone hide while kids are screaming and being killed. I would've said my prayers and went after him as soon as he passed me up I couldn't live with myself knowing I hid while kids died. He looked like he didn't weigh that much had to b somethin layn @to hit him with.
It's people like YOU that we are talking about. You should run real fast and check yourself into a mental hospital.
Jim Holmes

Marion, NC

#18 Dec 18, 2012
People should not have to go through more trouble to get a tag for their car or a fishing license or cold medicine at the drug store but yet be able to get a gun to easy. Strong protections need to be added.

Since: Aug 12

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#19 Dec 18, 2012
Researcher wrote:
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Can you provide EVIDENCE, from a credible source, that an armed civilian HAS EVER stopped or even affected a mass shooting?
I don't have that kind of thing laying around, but a while back I read about a guy who had a conceal carry weapon that stopped a shooting in a theatre. It was at least 10 years ago. But what I was referring to in my post was self defense in your home. Most conceal carry folks wouldn't have an AR15 on their person anyway.

Since: Aug 12

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#20 Dec 18, 2012
Researcher wrote:
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Can you provide EVIDENCE, from a credible source, that an armed civilian HAS EVER stopped or even affected a mass shooting?
After I read and responded to your post I found this site that has a list of mass shootings that were stopped by armed citizens. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/...

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