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anywhere but aarons

Des Moines, IA

#21 Oct 11, 2012
I grew up Pentecostal till I graduated and it was hell. One of the most extreme mainstream religions. U couldn't do anything - no sports, tv, fairs, swimming, shorts...it sucked growing up! Haven't been back since graduating high school - and that link is great, thanks!
Blutarski

Herrin, IL

#22 Oct 11, 2012
What you're describing happens to everyone when the OLD Law and New Covenant Christianity are mixed. You can try your very best, to ,live the Christian life but you never quite measure up, and you make yourself miserable trying to make yourself perfect before God.And it NEVER HAPPENS....because it can't.

This is why Christ came. His death , burial and resurrection fulfilled the old law with its impossible demands of behavioral and moral perfection. He sacrficed Himself as fully God and fully man to take away the sins of the world (from genesis to eternity) and more importantly to bring LIFE to a world full of walking dead men

So it's just like the country dog and the city dog: the ciy dog's on a leash and in a box most of his days, and if the leash breaks or the crate opens up, He's GONE....but with a country dog, he's comfortaable just hanging around the house. No Leash, No dog crate. He just stays there because it's comfortable and people love him.

So when the leash of man made old covenant religion is released, we go ape......then hopefully we find the truth of Christ , the New Covenant and new life in him apart from those things and ideas which can never save us or satisfy the longing in our heart.

Best Wishes my friend.
rational

Garnett, KS

#23 Oct 11, 2012
Blutarski wrote:
What you're describing happens to everyone when the OLD Law and New Covenant Christianity are mixed. You can try your very best, to ,live the Christian life but you never quite measure up, and you make yourself miserable trying to make yourself perfect before God.And it NEVER HAPPENS....because it can't.

This is why Christ came. His death , burial and resurrection fulfilled the old law with its impossible demands of behavioral and moral perfection. He sacrficed Himself as fully God and fully man to take away the sins of the world (from genesis to eternity) and more importantly to bring LIFE to a world full of walking dead men

So it's just like the country dog and the city dog: the ciy dog's on a leash and in a box most of his days, and if the leash breaks or the crate opens up, He's GONE....but with a country dog, he's comfortaable just hanging around the house. No Leash, No dog crate. He just stays there because it's comfortable and people love him.

So when the leash of man made old covenant religion is released, we go ape......then hopefully we find the truth of Christ , the New Covenant and new life in him apart from those things and ideas which can never save us or satisfy the longing in our heart.

Best Wishes my friend.
your preachings of fairy tales are funny
uknow

United States

#24 Oct 11, 2012
The problem with that is it is also manmade. New testament is myth, just like the old testament. Until we are able to think for ourselves we will always be less than we could be.
Blutarski

Herrin, IL

#25 Oct 12, 2012
Fellas, do some honest unbiased research into the Resurrection of Christ. Suggestion:look at Lee Strobel's ( former Chicago Trib reporter) "The Case for Christ". There are plenty of other titles as well, such as "New Evidence that Demands a Verdict "(Mc Dowell)'

So, take your own advice. Think for yourself.Examine the available evidence, formulate your own conclusion, and from there make your decision. But at least make an informed unbiased decision .
Lusty Dingle

Lubbock, TX

#26 Oct 12, 2012
The only way i can get close to the almighty and or see paradise is by handling snakes lots of rattle snakes.
Oh and by the dashboard lights with one of them pentecoastal milfs hahahahha
proplayer

United States

#27 Oct 12, 2012
Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion. You outta flip through that. But as far as evidence and what not, I think all you really need is a brain and a splash of rationality. I mean walking on water, virgin birth, talking snakes, resurrections, need I say more?
Blutarski

Herrin, IL

#28 Oct 12, 2012
Careful, your bias is showing. First,you come to the discussion with the not-so-hidden agenda that the supernatural does not and cannot exist. Then you contend that the Scriptures must be taken literally, leaving no room for literary devices such as allegory and metaphor. So which is it?

The walking on water episode is one of many recorded eyewitness accounts and along with the major supernatural event, the Resurrection, made up the apostle's testimony for which all except St John were brutally murdered.

But once you discount the supernatural, it make3s no sense to argue the point any further.
pariah

United States

#29 Oct 12, 2012
There's a lot of bias showing on here. I'll be honest about mine. I don't think God exists, I think the Bible is made up, and I think religion is a stinking pile of crap.
proplayer

United States

#30 Oct 12, 2012
Well the ways in which the scriptures and quran are interpreted are the crux of it all. I have no problem with people peacefully practicing any religion the way they like. It's when that ideology infringes upon others is where I have a problem. I could care less if you believe in Christ and the bible, more power to you.
Anactualmember

Carbondale, IL

#31 Jan 27, 2013
d day wrote:
Ok maybe some of the Christ bots on this site can 'splain this to me.
Earlier this summer a 20 year old nephew on my ex wife's side was arrested and confessed to molesting a little boy, numerous times for several years.
While he was doing this, he was raising money to go on a foreign missions trip with compassion international. He was reised in a United Pentecostal Church and always wanted to preach.
Now for those of you who haven't thrown up in your mouth yet, here's the kicker. Ever since he has been in jail he has been showered with love frm this church, everyone haas been praying for him, making excuses for him and going to visit him. I have not heard ONE of these christians pention the little boy or express anything but indifference toward the victim.
If you really know me you know it took an act of will to complete that last paragraph without any four letter words.
BTW this is the same group of Christ tards that never welcomed or wanted me in their assembly, or wanted anything to do with me, and do you think they come visit me after I left the fold. bahaahah don't be silly. I am worse to them than this pedophile who was raised in their midst, and my ex's family thinks worse of me too.
These are the people who wouldn't pee on me, or anyone else who leaves the church, if I was on fire unless they could pee gasoline! Defending a pedo.
So, what say you xtians to this?? Got any explanations?
Why do you justify your own people's actions and condemn others for less. I'll be waiting.
No need to justify anything, your facts are simply incorrect. No one is defending this guy's actions as you imply.

Since: Nov 12

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#32 Jan 27, 2013
Marion wrote:
Hi! First of all as long as someone is still breathing, they are reachable for the gospel. I cannot speak for the UPC church's stand on this issue any more than McDonald's ownership can speak on the type of food served at Burger King. All I know is he did commit a disgusting act, but he is not doomed to hell while he is still alive.

I have no problem with them praying for the offender. I cannot explain the excuses made for him or the lack of need to reach out to the family of the victim, especially if he was a prominent member of their church. At this point, the church needs to recognize that the offender's fate is now in the hands of the legal system all the while approaching the victims family with an apology that one of their prominent members/leaders committed such an act.

At my church we do not justify the actions of anyone who has committed a crime or even simply moral failure but we also do not turn our backs on them. Everyone is accountable for their actions and Christians are held to a higher accountability.

You are always welcome at my church regardless of your background or feelings towards Christianity. Come have a cup of coffee, soda, or OJ, and a donut and enjoy the service. Come dressed casual. Shorts, T shirt, and flip flops, jeans and T shirt, or whatever you like to wear. So come to Cornerstone sometime when you get a chance. Kick back and relax.

Lastly, it states clearly in the Bible that we absolutely cannot judge those not proclaiming Jesus as their savior. All we can do is present the gospel to them and let that person make their own decision. On the ther hand, it's very clear that when a fellow Christian is out of line they are to be rebuked/scolded/checked/judged , whatever you choose to call it. Look at Jesus. He hung out with the least respected people of society and befriend those no one else wanted any association with. We are called to do that. To hang with, and befriend the "weird" people hanging out up town or have a beer and brat at Miners game with your non-Christian neighbor. How else do Christians reach people when they're staying within their own tight circles.

Thanks for sharing your concerns and questions and God bless!
So very well said and one of the few that said it right about judging others. Thank you.
Stephen

Chicago, IL

#33 Apr 9, 2013
I was raised in the UPC church and attended several churches in Southern Illinois while growing up. I cannot and will not say the UPCI is perfect in any means...no more than the Baptist, Catholics or anyone else. However I suggest that if someone really wants to know what the UPC churches are like, they should attend and see for themselves. There will always be critics who mock the conservative lifestyle but it's funny that anyone would want to criticize others for doing what they feel draws them closer to God. When is it wrong to practice self restraint and conservative living? The worship is lively and the preaching is uplifting. There will be deadbeats in any church but I know good churches in that area as my family and many friends attends many of the churches in Southern Illinois and my brother pastors an Apostolic (nonUPC) church in Benton, Illinois. So just try it for yourself. Oh taste and see that The Lord is good!

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