Mom: Cops shot son in the back

Aug 7, 2008 Full story: Atlanta Journal-Constitution 63

The last moments of Raphael Christian's life were spent running from Marietta police.

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#1 Aug 8, 2008
If he was standing on his head would it make a difference?

No

Armed suspect running through an apartment complex.

Didn't make Honor Roll either
Walter

Stockbridge, GA

#2 Nov 4, 2008
People of Douglas County. Do you see Douglas County quickly becoming a twin to Dekalb County?
We must start calling the police and sheriff departments and encouraging them to crack down on suspicious behavior and as citizens of this county must be on the ready to go to the courthouse steps and protect or police from harassment from outsiders
Shannon

Atlanta, GA

#3 Apr 16, 2009
Excuse me..to the both of you...
I saw everything out of my bedroom window...
and you 2 are both wrong...
they used excessive force...
he was running from the police and his hand was no where near the trigger...he wasn't even holding the handle...
i went to school with him...
and he was a good guy...
he walked out of homeroom sooo excited...
we had jst got our report cards...
he was walking and telling all his friends around him... "You see this guys!! I'm doing good... I'm gunna make something of my life...I still have a chance to make it..."...
Now you tell me....
is that a bad kid...
and as for them shooting him... If they really felt like thier lives were in danger...
they could have either shot the arm that had the gun in it..or his leg...don't aim for his back...
he is a foot shorter then them...
so..UNLESS you were there when it happened..
or personally know Ray...
Don't put your two cents in...

“Home In Georgia Now”

Since: Jul 07

The "City of Gold" in Georgia

#5 Nov 7, 2009
Shannon wrote:
Excuse me..to the both of you...
I saw everything out of my bedroom window...
and you 2 are both wrong...
they used excessive force...
he was running from the police and his hand was no where near the trigger...he wasn't even holding the handle...
i went to school with him...
and he was a good guy...
he walked out of homeroom sooo excited...
we had jst got our report cards...
he was walking and telling all his friends around him... "You see this guys!! I'm doing good... I'm gunna make something of my life...I still have a chance to make it..."...
Now you tell me....
is that a bad kid...
and as for them shooting him... If they really felt like thier lives were in danger...
they could have either shot the arm that had the gun in it..or his leg...don't aim for his back...
he is a foot shorter then them...
so..UNLESS you were there when it happened..
or personally know Ray...
Don't put your two cents in...
Let's see. You say he DID have a weapon. He was RUNNING from law enforcement officers. You think they should have shot him in the "arm". Good grief. Here are some facts using your facts. One he was armed and running from law enforcement. In that situation he is a clear and immediate threat to everyone in the area around him. It would have only taken a few seconds for him to raise the gun and fire the weapon. So in view of those facts shooting him was totally justified IMHO as long as the shot could have been made without placing the public in any more danger than this person had already placed them in. As far as shoot him in the arm, leg, etc. give me a break. When a law enforcement officer makes the decision to use their weapon they shoot to "stop the aggression". In this case an armed person running wildly through the neighborhood. This is not a video game where you can hit reset if you miss his arm or leg.

Since: Aug 09

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#6 Nov 11, 2009
And if his mom knew he had it why the heck didn't she take it away? She pleads ignorance.

"I dunno why he bought it."

Well duh obviously so he could carry it around and flash it out in public like its real.

“Home In Georgia Now”

Since: Jul 07

The "City of Gold" in Georgia

#7 Nov 11, 2009
Let me clarify my previous post. He was running around with a "fake weapon". The officers did not know if it was real or not so take my previous post from that point.
Crabby

United States

#8 Nov 17, 2009
Look to everyone who wants to Speak bad on this CHILD... i know this handsome boys grandmother. It was a water gun the boys had... YES WATER GUN! police shoot a student who was good in school never been in trouble never had any history of being a "hood rat" or a "thug" he ran probably based on the fact he got scared. You cant honestly say that when you get scared you do act differently than you expect... Its not just that, POLICE cant not shoot a child in the back for running with a WATER GUN! Come on people! and this is coming from a WHITE PERSON, this world is getting crazy, think if that was your child. People wanna label this child for no reason! he was a good Person, who got shot for running with a water gun!
123ABC

Tucker, GA

#9 Nov 18, 2009
Crabby wrote:
Look to everyone who wants to Speak bad on this CHILD... i know this handsome boys grandmother. It was a water gun the boys had... YES WATER GUN! police shoot a student who was good in school never been in trouble never had any history of being a "hood rat" or a "thug" he ran probably based on the fact he got scared. You cant honestly say that when you get scared you do act differently than you expect... Its not just that, POLICE cant not shoot a child in the back for running with a WATER GUN! Come on people! and this is coming from a WHITE PERSON, this world is getting crazy, think if that was your child. People wanna label this child for no reason! he was a good Person, who got shot for running with a water gun!
My Son would never run from the Police with any kind of gun in his possession. Not even a WATER GUN>>>>>>
Crabby

Madison, GA

#10 Nov 18, 2009
123ABC wrote:
<quoted text>
My Son would never run from the Police with any kind of gun in his possession. Not even a WATER GUN>>>>>>
Ok Ms. Perfect! You people are ridiculous this is a CHILD. Have some Remorse for this family! He was a good person, never got in trouble, he made a mistake by being outside with a WATER GUN? n ran from police (which have been known to beat Africa Americans) really? So he gets Killed?!?! You really have to open up your eyes sweetie!
123ABC

Tucker, GA

#11 Nov 19, 2009
Crabby wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok Ms. Perfect! You people are ridiculous this is a CHILD. Have some Remorse for this family! He was a good person, never got in trouble, he made a mistake by being outside with a WATER GUN? n ran from police (which have been known to beat Africa Americans) really? So he gets Killed?!?! You really have to open up your eyes sweetie!
It's always a trajedy when someone dies. But I can not get past the part of this guy having a water pistol that was a replica of a real gun. It was not the orange or yellow plastic water pistols that I had has a kid this was a water pistol designed to look like a real run. Besides the deceased is being portraid by you as A CHILD. Yes he was a juvenile, but he was 16 not 6 as some are trying to make it sound. Some posts are trying to give the impression that he and his little friends were playing with a little squirt gun. Hardly the case I'm sure. I assume he bought this gun because it looked real and he wanted to look like a bad ass to his new friends. I would like to know if he took the orange safety tip off the barrell or someone else did. You lost what little credit you may of had with me by introducing the all to often race card into this forum. Are you familiar enough with this case to know that the officer involved was "white" or was he another race. My guess is that you are assuming he is white and that he murdered this person simply because he was black and had a toy water pistol. You are the person that needs to open their eyes and be open minded enough to think...just for a second...that this boy is dead because of some extremely poor decisions he made. Let me make this simple for you....if you point a gun at a cop, chances are the cop is going to shoot you. How do you think the officer felt when he learned after the shooting that the gun was a fake......Here is another thought, how do you think the officers family would feel if the officer did not protect himself when he had reasonable grounds to believe he was being threatened with a gun, but did not defend himself and he is now the one dead. It may be difficult for to to think this way because it's always the cops fault, especially if it's a white cop. Why no mention about the cops trying to save his life after the shooting? I think I know why.....people like you think that the police sit in their cars outside a Quick Trip all evening talking to one another about how they can't wait until they come across a black guy with a water pistol so they can kill him, maybe even taking bets with one another on who ever gets the first kill gets a free flat screen tv and additional bonuses if is a black guy. You make me sick to my stomach.
Crabby

Madison, GA

#12 Nov 19, 2009
123ABC wrote:
<quoted text> It's always a trajedy when someone dies. But I can not get past the part of this guy having a water pistol that was a replica of a real gun. It was not the orange or yellow plastic water pistols that I had has a kid this was a water pistol designed to look like a real run. Besides the deceased is being portraid by you as A CHILD. Yes he was a juvenile, but he was 16 not 6 as some are trying to make it sound. Some posts are trying to give the impression that he and his little friends were playing with a little squirt gun. Hardly the case I'm sure. I assume he bought this gun because it looked real and he wanted to look like a bad ass to his new friends. I would like to know if he took the orange safety tip off the barrell or someone else did. You lost what little credit you may of had with me by introducing the all to often race card into this forum. Are you familiar enough with this case to know that the officer involved was "white" or was he another race. My guess is that you are assuming he is white and that he murdered this person simply because he was black and had a toy water pistol. You are the person that needs to open their eyes and be open minded enough to think...just for a second...that this boy is dead because of some extremely poor decisions he made. Let me make this simple for you....if you point a gun at a cop, chances are the cop is going to shoot you. How do you think the officer felt when he learned after the shooting that the gun was a fake......Here is another thought, how do you think the officers family would feel if the officer did not protect himself when he had reasonable grounds to believe he was being threatened with a gun, but did not defend himself and he is now the one dead. It may be difficult for to to think this way because it's always the cops fault, especially if it's a white cop. Why no mention about the cops trying to save his life after the shooting? I think I know why.....people like you think that the police sit in their cars outside a Quick Trip all evening talking to one another about how they can't wait until they come across a black guy with a water pistol so they can kill him, maybe even taking bets with one another on who ever gets the first kill gets a free flat screen tv and additional bonuses if is a black guy. You make me sick to my stomach.
1st of All... He Wasn't pointing the gun at the officer, then i spoke to his grandmother, she told me POLICE MURDERED my grandson! why would the officer feel threaten by this 16 child running from him? was he pointing it at him... NO!!!!! he got shot in the BACK! gets your facts straight, yeah i hope that officer felt bad, he took a his life over a water gun!!!!! and the boy wasn't even pointing it at him! sad HUH?!?!?! so next time honey open your eyes to reality! what it really is... i see how it is in Douglas county, very raciest. i heard and seen plenty of horrible things, but yeah cops dont have a bad side?!?!? not saying all cops are bad.. but you do have your crocked police, as for a example right here.... i was visiting a friend and its a black apartment complex, im taken her trash out with her, the trash falls off the back i keep going because i was gonna turn around and get it, but here come d.c po-po! lights n all... yeah a lil skinny white girl gets out n u know what he does?!?!??!! WAVES!!!!!!!!!! so confused! oh wait no im not it confused, its RACE! lol come on... please think about what your saying before you even think to write! U MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!!
You really make me sick! YOur stuck in your lil white world, i've seen it from alot of different race, white black Mexican, im a very friendly person, and i meet alot of people, my eyes HAVE been open enough!!!!!!
John

Woodstock, GA

#13 Nov 21, 2009
He had a gun, not a water gun. The caller said he had a gun and the officer saw a gun. So you have to look at this as if it was a real gun if you want to try to judge it.
Crabby

Madison, GA

#14 Dec 2, 2009
John wrote:
He had a gun, not a water gun. The caller said he had a gun and the officer saw a gun. So you have to look at this as if it was a real gun if you want to try to judge it.
Nooo John he didnt! they thought it was a REAL gun. Please read it all! it turned out the kid had a FAKE GUN!
John

Woodstock, GA

#15 Dec 3, 2009
I read it all, it makes no difference if the gun is fake, that is the point. If you wait to find out you waited too late.
bright

Villa Rica, GA

#16 Dec 3, 2009
Well, while the entire situation is sad, maybe if he hadn't ran from the cops to begin with, they might have been able to see that the gun wasn't real and he wouldn't have gotten shot.
Crabby

Madison, GA

#17 Dec 8, 2009
DUMB-ASSES ITS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT SOME ONE IN THE BACK 1ST OF ALL... AND 2ND OF ALL THE COP HAD NO WAY OF FEELING HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER, THE 16 YEAR OLD BOY WAS NOTTTTTTTTT POINTING THE GUN AT HIM! GET A LIFE ALL YOU HEARTLESS PEOPLE~
Fido

AOL

#18 Dec 9, 2009
Having been the cop that has had to shoot at folks who had guns pointed my way, let me suggest this:
We all get together and file a law suit against the companies that make these real looking plastic guns. The money goes into a fund that has the kids name on it and is used to help the poor kids, black/white/whatever, right here in Atlanta.
Then , with no real looking plastic guns around, this might not happen again.
I probably would have done what the officer in this case did. There's no time to ask the person how old they are, or if it is a real gun. I have a family to go home to, and a community to protect. If he had run into someone's home and killed a bunch of people the cops would have been criticized for not taking him out.
It's a tough job, they are doing the best they can, glad I'm not there anymore...
Just a thought...
John

Woodstock, GA

#19 Dec 10, 2009
Crabby wrote:
DUMB-ASSES ITS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT SOME ONE IN THE BACK 1ST OF ALL... AND 2ND OF ALL THE COP HAD NO WAY OF FEELING HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER, THE 16 YEAR OLD BOY WAS NOTTTTTTTTT POINTING THE GUN AT HIM! GET A LIFE ALL YOU HEARTLESS PEOPLE~
Shows what you know about the law or gun fighting. You can shoot someone in the back or anywhere else on their person. You need three things, they have to have the ability to harm you in a very bad way, that would be the gun and it does not matter if it is a real gun all that matters is that it is reasonable to believe the gun is real (a finger in the pocket pointing like it is a real gun hidden counts also). They have to be in range of what ever weapon they have and you have to have some manifestation of intent to use it. The could be something slight as reaching for the gun or starting to point the gun or something you say. You got those three things and your bought and paid for as far as a shooting is concerned.
As for gunfighting this it was not pointing at him nonsense is just that nonsense. I can have a gun and not point it at you, you could have your finger on the trigger just waiting for me to do something, before you could pull the trigger I could quickly swing the gun up and fire, maybe I would hit you, maybe I would not, the point it I would get my shot off before you got yours. This is because if you measure the time for your brain to think he is swinging the gun around to shoot I better shoot first and you send the message to your finger to pull. That reaction time is longer than the action time it takes my arm to swing up and pull the trigger. I would beat you every time.
Two street rules, if you run from the cops something bad might happen, if you shoot a suspect, bad guy + gun means you will come out alright. If it looks like he is doing something bad and it looks like he has a gun you will be alright, at least from a legal standpoint.

“Home In Georgia Now”

Since: Jul 07

The "City of Gold" in Georgia

#20 Dec 10, 2009
Crabby wrote:
DUMB-ASSES ITS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT SOME ONE IN THE BACK 1ST OF ALL... AND 2ND OF ALL THE COP HAD NO WAY OF FEELING HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER, THE 16 YEAR OLD BOY WAS NOTTTTTTTTT POINTING THE GUN AT HIM! GET A LIFE ALL YOU HEARTLESS PEOPLE~
Hate to disappoint you but it is not ILLEGAL to shoot someone in the back. There is no statute at any level that prohibits shooting someone in the back.

“Home In Georgia Now”

Since: Jul 07

The "City of Gold" in Georgia

#21 Dec 10, 2009
Thank you John for your response. I had almost 20 years on the streets as a law enforcement officer and I must have missed the training on the day we were taught that shooting someone in the back is illegal. So Crappy, I mean Crabby if you can provide the code section of Federal, State, County, City, laws/ordinance etc that makes it illegal to shoot someone in the back please provide it to verify your post. We will be patiently awaiting your verification.

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