obamacare

[guest]

OK; If you dont have health insurance you will pay 1% of your annual income to the IRS. So what about those on welfare and who rely on AR Kids for health care for their kids? Or the deadbeat dads who work for the government and dont carry their kids on their insurance or depend on AR Kids to pick up the deductable?

[Really]

Ask fomer senator Blanche Lincoln what the costs of Obamacare are. I can answer that in part. It cost her a job.

[Guest]

A small price to pay for those of us who need health coverage. Tired of the itching and moaning from closet jacka$$s who will be the first to use the programs.

[Scuba Dawg]

Guest wrote:

A small price to pay for those of us who need health coverage. Tired of the itching and moaning from closet jacka$$s who will be the first to use the programs.

Thing is, everyone will have to pay for coverage, or pay the penalty. At first, it will be cheaper to pay the penalty and have no insurance. As years go by, the penalties will get more and more expensive to offset the amount of people that pay the penalty and still run up bills they can't/won't pay at the emergency room. This will ultimately drive up all costs, and the ones paying in will get tired of it. You will then probably have people that work for a living, carrying disaster only policies while paying cash to the doctors which in turn, give them a reduced rate. When the payer's dollars start to leave the system, the system will eventually crash, leaving the government without enough money to pay what good doctors that haven't quit or moved.

Just watch when/if it actually takes place. Small businesses and corporations that carry insurance will see an increase in their costs, causing them to probably lay people off.. The threat of obamacare it hindering economic recovery. Of course, die hard obamacare supporters dont care about jobs

The moral of the story? You can't get something for nothing. It never works. You might think its nice to get something for free, but someone else always pays for it. When they get tired of paying for it, you're screwed.

[guest]

Scuba Dawg wrote:

<quoted text>Thing is, everyone will have to pay for coverage, or pay the penalty. At first, it will be cheaper to pay the penalty and have no insurance. As years go by, the penalties will get more and more expensive to offset the amount of people that pay the penalty and still run up bills they can't/won't pay at the emergency room. This will ultimately drive up all costs, and the ones paying in will get tired of it. You will then probably have people that work for a living, carrying disaster only policies while paying cash to the doctors which in turn, give them a reduced rate. When the payer's dollars start to leave the system, the system will eventually crash, leaving the government without enough money to pay what good doctors that haven't quit or moved.

Just watch when/if it actually takes place. Small businesses and corporations that carry insurance will see an increase in their costs, causing them to probably lay people off.. The threat of obamacare it hindering economic recovery. Of course, die hard obamacare supporters dont care about jobs

The moral of the story? You can't get something for nothing. It never works. You might think its nice to get something for free, but someone else always pays for it. When they get tired of paying for it, you're screwed.

I don't want something for free. I want all of you repressed genius minded people to come up with a working solution such as doctors working in comprehensive clinics throughout urban and rural areas to deliver cost effective healthcare to the masses with a pipeline system to refer clients who need it to specialist and preventative healthcare to all.

[really]

guest wrote:

<quoted text>I don't want something for free. I want all of you repressed genius minded people to come up with a working solution such as doctors working in comprehensive clinics throughout urban and rural areas to deliver cost effective healthcare to the masses with a pipeline system to refer clients who need it to specialist and preventative healthcare to all.

I see big bottle necks in the pipeline.

[Scuba Dawg]

guest wrote:

<quoted text>I don't want something for free. I want all of you repressed genius minded people to come up with a working solution such as doctors working in comprehensive clinics throughout urban and rural areas to deliver cost effective healthcare to the masses with a pipeline system to refer clients who need it to specialist and preventative healthcare to all.

But what will the limits be? Everyone just breeds freely and expects the government to pay for childbirth, doctor visits, abortions and contraceptives on top of that? Who pays the government?

The problem is, instead of regulating the system, they let it get out off control. So many people have abused the system for so long, that the prices have skyrocketed. When you pay a hospital bill, you are paying for not only services you received, but for payments the facility has not received. If you go into a hospital and arrange to pay your bill immediately in full, you can receive a huge percentage off your bill. This is because so many people don't pay at all. They desperately need what they can get.

The doctors and hospitals try to make up their losses by over charging the insurance companies. this is why we can't afford insurance.

The healthcare system needs a huge overhaul, but not by forcing people to buy it from through the government. It should also not be distributed like welfare to the people that could get out there and get a job. The costs of services should be regulated.

[supporter]

I believe everyone has the right to good medical care. The current system supports those who can afford insurance. I personally know of a family who had a child in the hospital with a rare form of Cancer. Their insurance would pay for the best treatment possible. A new drug. Their child survived. The child in the next room has the same cancer. They did not have insurance the hospital worked to get them on Medicaid. The only issue Medicaid would only pay for basic care. That child lost his life due to no insurance and then a basic plan. These parents were lower middle class. Father a truck driver for a same company and the mom worked in the schools are an aide. To have their family covered by insurance it would of cost them 867.00 a month. This would of been 80% of their paychecks for the month.

[Not so]

If the child had a rare form of cancer was St. Jude involved? They take on pediatric cancer cases regardless of Payer status. Medicaid does not only cover basic care... Children on Medicaid receive top notch care. Children flown out on Medicaid do not pay any of the flight or hospital bill incurred regardless of the amount while the insured parents working hard to keep up with their insurance premiums are stuck with a $9000 helicopter bill plus the 20% of the medical bill total. Many insurance companies do not cover helicopter services... Even if the doctor chose said route for your child. I'll be paying that bill monthly until she is 18 but it's a small price to pay for a nOw healthy happy child! God Bless our hospitals and physicians/ other staff that care for those in dyer emergencies. The healthcare problems will remain until nonurgent patients stop using the ER's like clinics, when ER triage involves sending all non emergent patients back to see a family doctor (don't have one, get one) when all non emergent patients are required to pay an initial installment to be seen in the ER rather than their doctors office (if it's an emergency the fee is waived until such time the patient has been stabilized and dispositioned, etc. See where this is going? Everyone in this country has access to healthcare... If you are self pay and it's a true emergency then you are taken care of by the ERs in this country regardless of your ability to pay... You are billed after the fact. But if you think you should be able to see a doctor for nothing for every single thing then I would love to know where you get that sense of entitlement. Supplies cost money, hospitals have payrolls... And don't give me that "they can file for indigent funding from the government for tax write offs" that's crap those funds cover about as much as a wash cloth covers a naked body.

[supporter]

Not so wrote:

If the child had a rare form of cancer was St. Jude involved? They take on pediatric cancer cases regardless of Payer status. Medicaid does not only cover basic care... Children on Medicaid receive top notch care. Children flown out on Medicaid do not pay any of the flight or hospital bill incurred regardless of the amount while the insured parents working hard to keep up with their insurance premiums are stuck with a $9000 helicopter bill plus the 20% of the medical bill total. Many insurance companies do not cover helicopter services... Even if the doctor chose said route for your child. I'll be paying that bill monthly until she is 18 but it's a small price to pay for a nOw healthy happy child! God Bless our hospitals and physicians/ other staff that care for those in dyer emergencies. The healthcare problems will remain until nonurgent patients stop using the ER's like clinics, when ER triage involves sending all non emergent patients back to see a family doctor (don't have one, get one) when all non emergent patients are required to pay an initial installment to be seen in the ER rather than their doctors office (if it's an emergency the fee is waived until such time the patient has been stabilized and dispositioned, etc. See where this is going? Everyone in this country has access to healthcare... If you are self pay and it's a true emergency then you are taken care of by the ERs in this country regardless of your ability to pay... You are billed after the fact. But if you think you should be able to see a doctor for nothing for every single thing then I would love to know where you get that sense of entitlement. Supplies cost money, hospitals have payrolls... And don't give me that "they can file for indigent funding from the government for tax write offs" that's crap those funds cover about as much as a wash cloth covers a naked body.

They were at St Jude's and a difference was made.

[NotReally]

I don't believe that story about St. Jude. They don't charge anyone anything, so they wouldn't care if you had insurance or not.