Parent questions teacher's election comment - Sentinel & Enterprise

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What started as a discussion about the impending elections in Massachusetts and Ballot Question 3 at Nissitissit Middle School in Pepperell has turned into a debate about whether it is appropriate for a teacher to express political opinions in the classroom.

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Oct 28, 2010
 
Bravo to this parent for speaking out. After reading this article I asked my child if any of her teachers talk about how they are voting in the election. She said yes, and that her spanish teacher told her class that if question 3 passes he and everyone else at the school would lose their jobs. This happens more than we think. Teachers' political opinions should be off limits in a classroom. Open discussion I actually encourage to make students aware of the issues and the political process, but when the kids leave the classroom, they should have no idea which side of an issue a teacher is on. My child left that classroom thinking that what her teacher said was FACT. It is not and should not be presented as such.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
I guess teachers don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as the rest of the citizens of the United States. What a shame!
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Oct 28, 2010
 
1st Amendment wrote:
I guess teachers don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as the rest of the citizens of the United States. What a shame!
Teachers can exercise their First Amendment rights all they want to - outside the classroom.

They do not have a right to indoctrinate children in a particular religion on the taxpayer's time and property. Similarly, there is not First Amendment right to brainwash children into a particular political perspective.

Be as political as you want - outside the classroom, off public property, and outside working hours.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
No brainwashing wrote:
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Teachers can exercise their First Amendment rights all they want to - outside the classroom.
They do not have a right to indoctrinate children in a particular religion on the taxpayer's time and property. Similarly, there is not First Amendment right to brainwash children into a particular political perspective.
Be as political as you want - outside the classroom, off public property, and outside working hours.
Guess I didn't realize that there were restrictions to one's 1st Amendment rights. Didn't realize that those rights could only be exercised at certain times and in certain places.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
1st Amendment wrote:
I guess teachers don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as the rest of the citizens of the United States. What a shame!
Of course they do. Outside the classroom.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
OMG wrote:
Bravo to this parent for speaking out. After reading this article I asked my child if any of her teachers talk about how they are voting in the election. She said yes, and that her spanish teacher told her class that if question 3 passes he and everyone else at the school would lose their jobs. This happens more than we think. Teachers' political opinions should be off limits in a classroom. Open discussion I actually encourage to make students aware of the issues and the political process, but when the kids leave the classroom, they should have no idea which side of an issue a teacher is on. My child left that classroom thinking that what her teacher said was FACT. It is not and should not be presented as such.
Parents should respond that if it doesn't pass then the child can't get the Ipod, allowance, etc, etc... because, there are consequences to losing money to taxes.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
1st Amendment wrote:
I guess teachers don't have the same 1st Amendment rights as the rest of the citizens of the United States. What a shame!
Of course they do. On their own time outside of the classroom. Just like everyone else.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
I love it! This is why conservatives HATE education. Education is fine, as long as it knows its place. But god forbid a teacher should tell students the TRUTH about something. The teacher's right; the students' education will suffer if Question 3 passes. And they'll end up as ignorant as the people on this forum.
vote the bums out

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Oct 28, 2010
 
smarten up folks...
if the question passes, it is expected to decrease "State Spending". this is a 48 billion dollar budget, add 5 billion more in Aid to comunities for a budget total of 53 billion. the cuts in 'SPENDING' would come from the 48 billion not just the aid to cities and towns.

if any politician is saying the 2.5 reduction in sales tax revenue equates to 2.5 reduction in aid to cities..vote the bum out!!

this question is to reduce "STATE SPENDING" not aid to cities and towns

this is why i have no hope..the voters are to dumb...
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Oct 28, 2010
 
Arnold Ziffel wrote:
I love it! This is why conservatives HATE education. Education is fine, as long as it knows its place. But god forbid a teacher should tell students the TRUTH about something. The teacher's right; the students' education will suffer if Question 3 passes. And they'll end up as ignorant as the people on this forum.
I love it! Mindless liberals who can't imagine that if the shoe was on the other foot, they would be screaming from the rooftops.

Imagine your little liberal darling attending school and the teacher explaining, as if it were gospel, that unless we vote for Charlie Baker or vote YES on Question 3, that their parents will continue to lose their jobs and their house would be foreclosed on.

They can never see the other side of the coin. They only want a DIVERSITY of ideas, as long as it ONLY reflects the leftist view.

I wonder if this school teacher explained that NO WHERE in Question 3 does it say where approximately $2B in state spending cuts would come from.

I wonder if this school teacher explained that state local aid to cities in towns is only $5B of state spending, while the state spends another $47B each year.

I wonder if the school teacher explained that it's up to the state legislature, you know, those guys and gals who are elected to represent our local town, to carefully weigh where these cuts will be made. Do you really think our local reps and senators will, as their first and only option cut from the $5B in local aid and NOT make a relatively small $2B or 4% cut from the $47 in non-local aid?

These fear mongering, self interested teachers should be FIRED for propagandizing these LIES in the classroom.

Voters should demand that government EMPLOYEES be banned from using our tax dollars to create false and misleading ads whose only intent is to keep your tax dollars pouring in and lining their pockets.

Remember This on TUESDAY!!!

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Great! Now all these Middle School kids are going to vote against question 3 without having all the facts. If the student population of the Pepperell Middle School swings the vote, there should be a full investigation.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
vote the bums out wrote:
smarten up folks...
if the question passes, it is expected to decrease "State Spending". this is a 48 billion dollar budget, add 5 billion more in Aid to comunities for a budget total of 53 billion. the cuts in 'SPENDING' would come from the 48 billion not just the aid to cities and towns.
if any politician is saying the 2.5 reduction in sales tax revenue equates to 2.5 reduction in aid to cities..vote the bum out!!
this question is to reduce "STATE SPENDING" not aid to cities and towns
this is why i have no hope..the voters are to dumb...
Do you really believe it will come out of other budget items? I didn't notice other ballot questions to reform pension benefits or other extraneous perks and spending. That is where your hope should lie - and you're right, there is no hope that will happen.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
Arnold Ziffel wrote:
I love it! This is why conservatives HATE education. Education is fine, as long as it knows its place. But god forbid a teacher should tell students the TRUTH about something. The teacher's right; the students' education will suffer if Question 3 passes. And they'll end up as ignorant as the people on this forum.
This is not education. This is imposing a viewpoint on impressionable children. It would be education if he presented the pros and cons of both sides of the issue. That would have been the responsible thing to do. I am sure conservatives don't hate education. They hate bad education and so do democrats.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
1st Amendment wrote:
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Guess I didn't realize that there were restrictions to one's 1st Amendment rights. Didn't realize that those rights could only be exercised at certain times and in certain places.

Perhaps if the teacher said your parents can't afford fuel this winter because their taxes are so high, the children could see the other side of the coin. Then the teacher could say, you pick. lower taxes and your bedroom is warm. Higher taxes and we can spend another 37.5 million on people in our state that don't belong here and your bedroom is freezing. You're choice.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
No Fear wrote:
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I love it! Mindless liberals who can't imagine that if the shoe was on the other foot, they would be screaming from the rooftops.
Imagine your little liberal darling attending school and the teacher explaining, as if it were gospel, that unless we vote for Charlie Baker or vote YES on Question 3, that their parents will continue to lose their jobs and their house would be foreclosed on.
They can never see the other side of the coin. They only want a DIVERSITY of ideas, as long as it ONLY reflects the leftist view.
I wonder if this school teacher explained that NO WHERE in Question 3 does it say where approximately $2B in state spending cuts would come from.
I wonder if this school teacher explained that state local aid to cities in towns is only $5B of state spending, while the state spends another $47B each year.
I wonder if the school teacher explained that it's up to the state legislature, you know, those guys and gals who are elected to represent our local town, to carefully weigh where these cuts will be made. Do you really think our local reps and senators will, as their first and only option cut from the $5B in local aid and NOT make a relatively small $2B or 4% cut from the $47 in non-local aid?
These fear mongering, self interested teachers should be FIRED for propagandizing these LIES in the classroom.
Voters should demand that government EMPLOYEES be banned from using our tax dollars to create false and misleading ads whose only intent is to keep your tax dollars pouring in and lining their pockets.
Remember This on TUESDAY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I certaintly do not think this teacher should be fired. I believe he is a good teacher who made a poor judgement. I just think that personal political, religious, or social beliefs do not have a place in a middle school setting.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
Seriously wrote:
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Perhaps if the teacher said your parents can't afford fuel this winter because their taxes are so high, the children could see the other side of the coin. Then the teacher could say, you pick. lower taxes and your bedroom is warm. Higher taxes and we can spend another 37.5 million on people in our state that don't belong here and your bedroom is freezing. You're choice.
Perhaps if the teacher used a local example of the two women from Fitchburg and Leominster who were able to steal HALF A MILLION state tax dollars in an unemployment fraud scheme, it would serve as an example to the our youth that the state is completely incapable of administering our tax dollars, that state spending is FILLED with waste, fraud and abuse, and they should urge their parents to vote out EVERY INCUMBENT holding a state office.

http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/ci_16445...
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Oct 28, 2010
 
If the teacher were to have put their comments in the context that 'I belive it will have XYZ impact' rather than 'it WILL have XYZ impact' then I have no problem with it. Their classroom is not a captive brainwashing group. Even better, maybe the teacher should bring in a Tea Party person to have a debate with the Teacher and the kids can hear both sides!
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Oct 28, 2010
 
With both Townsend and Pepperell having huge surpluses they are trying to spend, and the continuation of high fees and taxes, the school will not suffer if the question passes.

The taxpayers cannot keep paying and paying while the spending just goes on and on.

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Oct 28, 2010
 
1st Amendment wrote:
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Guess I didn't realize that there were restrictions to one's 1st Amendment rights. Didn't realize that those rights could only be exercised at certain times and in certain places.
CORRECT! Just like you have the right to stand in an empty parking lot and yell "FIRE", but not in a crowded movie theater. Teachers are not supposed to try to indoctrinate the children on ANY political viewpoint. They have a right to their opinions and are free to express them on their own time, they are not being paid to do that in the classroom.
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Oct 28, 2010
 
Arnold Ziffel wrote:
I love it! This is why conservatives HATE education. Education is fine, as long as it knows its place. But god forbid a teacher should tell students the TRUTH about something. The teacher's right; the students' education will suffer if Question 3 passes. And they'll end up as ignorant as the people on this forum.
They don't hate education, they don't like indoctrination on only one side of an issue. If half the population was EDUCATED, there wouldn't be the problem with all the libtards throwing good money after bad on unworkable and wasteful social projects.

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