Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#53319 May 26, 2013
What's the difference between belief and certitude?

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#53320 May 26, 2013
Perhaps, certitude could be untrammeled fanaticism. LOL.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53321 May 26, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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...The question was , if the church put you in a cage if you didn't pay them and follow their commandments , would that make the church as legitimate as government to you?
The threat of legal or criminal proceedings is not what makes the US gov't legitimate in my view.

That guy who kept 3 girls in his house for many years was not "legitimate."

There's a little more to it than the threat of incarceration.

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#53322 May 26, 2013
Without faith that a certain thing could possibly be true, life would have been barren and a drudgery shorn of its magic, wonder and romance.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53323 May 26, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes.
In the normal life, the sex urge should be controlled and regulated but if perfection of the being-body is the grand aim then mastery over all the impulses and their transmutation into the spiritual vibe of the supramental kind is essential.
Are you aware that ejaculation drains out a substantial part of the vital force that leaves through the semen as well as through the tips of the thumb and index fingers of the right hands and from the forearm region of both the arms?
I can actually "see" all this with naked eyes and can feel the lowering in mind-body potential.
Besides, the sex act, with a woman or a man, results in exchange of vibes with your partner and as expected most of the incoming forces are of an undesirable kind given the serious personality defects and the kind of adverse forces controlling them in most people these days and these absorbed vibes coming from your sex partner sink into the cumulative force field - the subconscient - at the soles of the feet from where they periodically keep rising in waves to create disturbances and blocks in the life and mind-body of a person.
You wouldn't know all this since you're tooooooo dense, ignorant and insensitive to the play of the gross and subtle forces and in addition the ignorant rogues of the Tanakh and that stupid madman Jesus did not mention anything abut these finer mechanisms since they were as clueless as you are.
Total mastery over all mental, vital, physical and subconscient impulses and their transformation into the supramental vibe is the aim.
Nothing less.
PS: Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure akin to say a manicure/pedicure?
(smiles)
Anyway, best regards, mon.
Joel--Are you aware that ejaculation drains out a substantial part of the vital force that leaves through the semen as well as through the tips of the thumb and index fingers of the right hands and from the forearm region of both the arms?

Hugh--Knew of the some of it. I would not discount the rest.

Joel--I can actually "see" all this with naked eyes and can feel the lowering in mind-body potential.

Hugh--- I feel the weakening of the body after the explosion.

Joel--Besides, the sex act, with a woman or a man, results in exchange of vibes with your partner and as expected most of the incoming forces are of an undesirable kind given the serious personality defects and the kind of adverse forces controlling them in most people these days and these absorbed vibes coming from your sex partner sink into the cumulative force field - the subconscient - at the soles of the feet from where they periodically keep rising in waves to create disturbances and blocks in the life and mind-body of a person.

HughBe--- Don't know if you are correct but your words merit serious consideration.

Joel--You wouldn't know all this since you're tooooooo dense, ignorant and insensitive to the play of the gross and subtle forces and in addition the ignorant rogues of the Tanakh and that stupid madman Jesus did not mention anything abut these finer mechanisms since they were as clueless as you are.

Hugh--- I am comforted by your words

Joel--Total mastery over all mental, vital, physical and subconscient impulses and their transformation into the supramental vibe is the aim.

Hugh-- You have a long way to go. Your dick FAILED.

Joel--PS: Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure akin to say a manicure/pedicure?

HughBe--- Would that be a cure for size or colour?

Joel--Anyway, best regards, mon.

HughBe--- Best regards, sweetie and much love from my bottom, of my heart.

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#53324 May 26, 2013
A healthy mix of intuition, reason, instinct and faith (belief) personifies the man/woman with an energizing and uplifting go.
Voluntarist

United States

#53325 May 26, 2013
former res wrote:
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The threat of legal or criminal proceedings is not what makes the US gov't legitimate in my view.
That guy who kept 3 girls in his house for many years was not "legitimate."
There's a little more to it than the threat of incarceration.
But it is what makes you pay taxes correct?
Voluntarist

United States

#53326 May 26, 2013
A former insider at the World Bank, ex-Senior Counsel
Karen Hudes, says the global financial system is
dominated by a small group of corrupt, power-hungry
figures centered around the privately owned U.S.
Federal Reserve. The network has seized control of the
media to cover up its crimes, too, she explained. In an
interview with The New American, Hudes said that
when she tried to blow the whistle on multiple
problems at the World Bank, she was fired for her
efforts. Now, along with a network of fellow
whistleblowers, Hudes is determined to expose and
end the corruption. And she is confident of success.
Citing an explosive 2011 Swiss study published in the PLOS ONE
journal on the “network of global corporate control,” Hudes pointed
out that a small group of entities — mostly financial institutions and
especially central banks — exert a massive amount of influence over
the international economy from behind the scenes.“What is really
going on is that the world’s resources are being dominated by this
group,” she explained, adding that the “corrupt power grabbers” have
managed to dominate the media as well.“They’re being allowed to do
it.”
According to the peer-reviewed paper,
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economi...

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#53327 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe --- Best regards, sweetie and much love from my bottom, of my heart.
LOL.

I don't want your bottom or any other part of your body.

You can share your bottom with Former and Frijoles. I guess they'd be interested.

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#53328 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Joel--PS: Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure akin to say a manicure/pedicure?

HughBe--- Would that be a cure for size or colour?
I was under the impression that you simply adored your size - all 14" of it - and that you were proud of your jet-black skin.

Correct me, if I'm wrong.

(smiles)

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#53329 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh--- I feel the weakening of the body after the explosion.
The Big O.

LOL.

Whenever I try to think about sex, a strong impulse of the higher force that's always on and/or in me obfuscates the thought and dissolves it leaving my mind blank (where the sex urge is concerned).

Whenever I begin to get the rare feeble arousal, the same impulse released by the higher force cuts off the nerve sensation and with it any inrush of blood into the blood vessels of the penis stops and I am unmoved.

I do not look at a female with lust but through the eyes of a child and through the intuitive process when I become aware of her deeper impulses and inner nature.

Where sleep is concerned, I have not slept a wink for years on end ever since the higher force transformed sleep into the yogic wakefulness at all times and I feel highly energetic, very fresh and excessively alert 24/7 unless I'm attacked by an adverse force which results in discomfort.

Anyway, the supramental transformation continues in me - I'm just at the threshold of this monumental transformation of mind, vital, body and subconscient. I have miles to go, mon.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53331 May 27, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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The point is that you have blind faith in government without any facts that any of the laws including tax laws apply to you.
And you say that you follow the dictates to stay out of a cage.
The question was , if the church put you in a cage if you didn't pay them and follow their commandments , would that make the church as legitimate as government to you?
Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/us/politics...

Representatives of these organizations have cried foul in recent weeks about their treatment by the I.R.S., saying they were among dozens of conservative groups unfairly targeted by the agency, harassed with inappropriate questionnaires and put off for months or years as the agency delayed decisions on their applications.

But a close examination of these groups and others reveals an array of election activities that tax experts and former I.R.S. officials said would provide a legitimate basis for flagging them for closer review.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53332 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Here is HughBe's system. Literature is any book, article etc. on a subject including poems, science and history.
Your off on private definitions AGAIN.

The rest of the world does not use that definition.

We are seeing a pattern here. Its hard to communicate with someone who makes up their own definitions. Whether we are talking about Judaism or Literature.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53333 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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While I appreciate your quote from the AUTHORITATIVE source i.e. wikipedia I am once again telling you that among the properly educated history is regarded as LITERATURE.
Maybe in Jamaica but not in any American University.

Good enough for Harvard and Yale, good enough for me

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/content/schoo...

http://yale.edu/departments/

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#53334 May 27, 2013
WHAT IS LITERATURE?

HUGH: "Literature is any book, article etc. on a subject including poems, science and history."

JOEL - CORRECT, in a broad or sweeping way.

Literature, as for instance - Books and writings published on a particular subject: "the literature on environmental epidemiology".

I guess by the word "literature" you mean writings, a corpus of knowledge, the printed representation of knowledge, right?

If you refer to literature in the context of language, then it specifically indicates literary works - fiction/non-fiction - in that particular language.

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#53335 May 27, 2013
Those who stick to the narrow definition of any word, as for example, "literature", are born idiots with a low IQ that's evident here day in, day out. LOL.

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#53336 May 27, 2013
A specific meaning can be assigned to a particular object, event, word or subject only if so denoted by the user. In this case, we stick only to the narrow or specific meaning; otherwise, any of these - object, event, word or subject - can be generic and can have a wider meaning than what the ordinary mental types think they are. LMAO.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53337 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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While I appreciate your quote from the AUTHORITATIVE source i.e. wikipedia I am once again telling you that among the properly educated history is regarded as LITERATURE.
I guess your "properly educated" in Jamaica never attended your fine universities

Where History and Lit are different departments as well

http://www.mona.uwi.edu/programmes/undergrad....
University of West Indies

What EXACTLY is your notion of properly educated?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53338 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- No doubt in the RELIGION called Judaism FAITH is the SCIENTIFIC part or arm of the RELIGION.
Yes, but you labeled Judaism as a "Faith". Any "properly educated"* Jew will tell you otherwise. Faith is a component but it is not the religion.

* I like your term - hope you dont mind me using it the way it is intended to be used.

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#53339 May 27, 2013
IS HISTORY LITERATURE?

HUGH - "History is regarded as LITERATURE."

JOEL -

1) Historical narrative is literature in the sense that language/semantics is being employed to discuss, analyze, disseminate or report research findings in history.

2) I'd rather use the term "historical literature" in this context.

3) However, at the same time, I must stress the fact that we often come across cases where great speeches or writings made by famous rulers or politicians or we encounter cases where constitutional drafts and the subsequent correspondence debating its merits and demerits find their way into popular language studies (English Lit as a subject), as for instance, the profound speeches made by Winston Churchill during WW 2 can be included under English Literature for study, language analysis and knowledge dissemination.

So, there's a general as well as a specific meaning to the topic under discussion given the varied contexts.

(smiles)

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