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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50503 Apr 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
CO2 is only one half of the greenhouse emissions to be concerned about that cause global warming.
Methane (CH4) and the oxides of Nitrogen (NO, NO2, N20) are the other half as well.
The basic problem is the liberation of carbon from the long term pool. I.E. the burning of fossil fuels.
Storing carbon is a short term pool - plantlife - doesnt solve the problem obviously because of the relatively rapid turnover
Ironically, we have discussed the carbon cycle on this very forum before - including the C3, C4 stuff and the ability of plant to grow more - so Volunteerist CANT claim this is a NEW idea.
rabbee: well i still believe that G-D, has a far greater influnence over this mental hothead gas planet. than any of those others, all combined. as i would really hate to see, physical gas become the g-d of your mental gas.

but may i suggest, your mental piolet light is out. and your leaking, globaal warming mental gas, all over the place.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#50504 Apr 6, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Adolf Hitler, whose father is said to be an illegitimate spawn of the Rothschilds, was controlled and used by the Free-Mason-New World Order cabal and was sent to the Tavistock Institute in England for mind control training of the MK ultra kind. Hitler, Churchill and Stalin were Free Masons of a high order and were played off against each other in a kind of puppet show where each was told how to act, when to act and so on and besides being free masons all three could summon their vital-spirit masters at will...
You know what? I don't really know if you are that stupid to buy all the BS or you are just anti-Jewish with Mason-Kabal conspirancy complex or both the cases.

Anyway, I enjoy read your posts, as it shows how demented you are to make a fool of yourself.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50508 Apr 6, 2013
Lady Day wrote:
<quoted text>
Types of Jews
Orthodox
Conservative
Reform
I do not consider Messies J E W S.
Messianic "Jews" are not Jewish anymore, they are Christians and the two terms are mutually exclusive.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50509 Apr 6, 2013
JOEL wrote:
TID-BIT:
The Semites were mostly centered on the lowly vital plane or at the most on one of the universal mind planes and were as such ignorant of the higher aspects of the reality.
With the Hebrews, religion was a form of demon worship given the satanic Baal/Moloch antecedents of the cult that the Hebrew patriarchs borrowed from the older cultures of the Middle East.
Abraham, Moses, Daniel, Elijah and other Hebrews patriarchs mentioned in the Tanakh - the Book of Evil - were satanists or demon worshippers of a high order and commanded tremendous vital power of the adverse kind.
And more....
You are blashemeing the holy religion of and word of the living God, it is considered a sin against Gods person and is deadly. You are confusing Satan and God. Abraham renounced and destroyed his fathers idols. If you're a Christian, you worship idols, not the Jews.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50510 Apr 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler was after all an European....he had that racism flowing in his blood.
How could he be sympathetic to any one from east?
White race and Jews have been racist since very beginning, I do not know who inherited it from whom.
But they have been racist to the core.
There are racists in all cultures. They may not believe they are superior, they are just xenophobic. White people (of European descent) and Jews are the chosen people, the children of Israel and it's gone to their head. On the day of judgment we will all be equal.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50511 Apr 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
yada yada yada the earth was warmer in the past than it is now, this is just another means of control by the liberal freaks.
Survey Finds Most Republicans Seek Action on Climate Change

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/...

In a recent survey of Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents conducted by the Center for Climate Change Communication (4C) at George Mason University, a majority of respondents (62 percent) said they feel America should take steps to address climate change. More than three out of four survey respondents (77 percent) said the United States should use more renewable energy sources, and of those, most believe that this change should begin immediately.
--Proof Please--

Anna, TX

#50512 Apr 6, 2013
--Proof Please-- wrote:
<quoted text>
Claiming that Hitler and Stalin were Free Masons is just about the most stupid thing I have ever heard...
Would you be so kind as to show us any shred of evidence that Hitler and Stalin were Free Masons...
So...

Old Joel P. doesn't even try to back up his ridiculous claim that Hitler and Stalin were Free Masons...!

He sure isn't helping his credibility by making such a claim and then not being able to back it up with historical evidence...

But old Joel P. never has been big on backing up any of his claims in the past...

Just like now...

Sad... just really sad...!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50513 Apr 6, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There are racists in all cultures. They may not believe they are superior, they are just xenophobic. White people (of European descent) and Jews are the chosen people, the children of Israel and it's gone to their head. On the day of judgment we will all be equal.
You are right my brother. Racism is good upto a level where you are able to trace your origins.

But to claim superiority over other people just because of your race and color of your skin and look down on others, who have different race than you or speak different language is root cause of most problems in our world today.

Islam teaches us that there is no superiority of a white man over black or black over white, or an Arab over non Arab and non Arab over Arab....we all are from same parent of Adam and Eve and Adam was created from dust.

So what we get in this world is not because of any particular race or skin pigment, but because of our deeds.

That is why Islam is the least racist of all religions of this world.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50514 Apr 6, 2013
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75606978

The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-6

Update: The Iraq War Ledger

A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs

Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011

19. More detailed costs

Veterans

A. Total U.S. service members who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan:
More than 2 million- 12

B. Total Iraq/Afghanistan veterans eligible for VA health care: 1,250,663- 13

C. Total Iraq/Afghanistan veterans who have used VA health care since FY 2002: 625,384
(50 percent of eligible veterans)

D. Total Iraq/Afghanistan veterans with PTSD: At least 168,854 (27 percent of those veterans who have used VA health care; does not include Vet Center or non-VA health care data)

E. Suicide rate of Iraq/Afghanistan veterans using VA health care in FY 2008: 38 suicides per 100,000 veterans- 14

––National suicide rate, 2007: 11.26 per 100,000 Americans- 15

20. Iraq reconstruction (as of September 30, 2011)-16

A. Total funding:$182.27 billion

B. Iraqi government funds (including Coalition Provisional Authority spending):$107.41 billion

C. International funds:$13.03 billion

D. U.S. funds (2003-2011):$61.83 billion

Total U.S. unexpended obligations:$1.66 billion

¬¬¬¬¬_____

Endnotes:

12 White House,“Strengthening Military Families: Meeting America’s Commitment”(2011), available at http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2011/011...
strengthening_our_military_jan uary_2011.pdf

13 Erin Bagalman,“Suicide, PTSD, and Substance Use Among OEF/OIF Veterans Using VA Health Care: Facts and Figures”(Washington: Congressional Research Service, July 18, 2011) available at http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41921.pdf

14 Ibid.

15 Centers for Disease Control,“Suicide: Facts at a Glance,” Summer 2010, http://
www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_Da... .

(Contd.)
Voluntarist

United States

#50515 Apr 6, 2013
--Proof Please-- wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh "Joel"...
Claiming that Hitler and Stalin were Free Masons is just about the most stupid thing I have ever heard...
Would you be so kind as to show us any shred of evidence that Hitler and Stalin were Free Masons...
Oh... and please don't try and use your usual "appeal to authority" nonsense this time...
Please provide some serious, historical proof about your claim that Hitler and Stalin were Free Masons of a high order...
Thank you!
All the supposed abominations, the
skeletons and death's head, the
coffins and the mysteries, are mere
bogeys for children. But there is one
dangerous element and that is the
element I have copied from them.
They form a sort of priestly nobility.
They have developed and esoteric
doctrine more merely formulated,
but imparted through the symbols
and mysteries in degrees of
initiation. The hierarchical
organization and the initiation
through symbolic rites, that is to
say, without bothering the brain by
working on the imagination
through magic and the symbols of a
cult, all this has a dangerous
element, and the element I have
taken over. Don't you see that our
party must be of this character...?
An Order, the hierarchial Order of
a secular priesthood."
-Adolf Hitler praising Freemasonry

"Hitler did make one exception,
however; his 1942 law banning
secret societies and confiscating
their assets specifically exempted
the "old Prussian" Freemason
lodges. This group followed the Nazi
racial purity ideal far more closely
than the "humanitarian
Freemasonry" (as the Angeberts
distinguish the different streams)
and shared Hitler's disdain for the
other branches of Freemasons, not
to mention for the Jews as well.
(p.157)"
- Hannah Newman
'The Rainbow Swastika'
Voluntarist

United States

#50516 Apr 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Survey Finds Most Republicans Seek Action on Climate Change
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/...
In a recent survey of Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents conducted by the Center for Climate Change Communication (4C) at George Mason University, a majority of respondents (62 percent) said they feel America should take steps to address climate change. More than three out of four survey respondents (77 percent) said the United States should use more renewable energy sources, and of those, most believe that this change should begin immediately.
what is your point? psychopathic pos politicians with r next to their names want to control others as well?
Voluntarist

United States

#50517 Apr 6, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There are racists in all cultures. They may not believe they are superior, they are just xenophobic. White people (of European descent) and Jews are the chosen people, the children of Israel and it's gone to their head. On the day of judgment we will all be equal.
Chosen by who for what? nobody ever told me this.
Voluntarist

United States

#50518 Apr 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7560 6978
The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-6
Update: The Iraq War Ledger
A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs
Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011
19. More detailed costs
Veterans
A. Total U.S. service members who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan:
More than 2 million- 12
B. Total Iraq/Afghanistan veterans eligible for VA health care: 1,250,663- 13
C. Total Iraq/Afghanistan veterans who have used VA health care since FY 2002: 625,384
(50 percent of eligible veterans)
D. Total Iraq/Afghanistan veterans with PTSD: At least 168,854 (27 percent of those veterans who have used VA health care; does not include Vet Center or non-VA health care data)
E. Suicide rate of Iraq/Afghanistan veterans using VA health care in FY 2008: 38 suicides per 100,000 veterans- 14
––National suicide rate, 2007: 11.26 per 100,000 Americans- 15
20. Iraq reconstruction (as of September 30, 2011)-16
A. Total funding:$182.27 billion
B. Iraqi government funds (including Coalition Provisional Authority spending):$107.41 billion
C. International funds:$13.03 billion
D. U.S. funds (2003-2011):$61.83 billion
Total U.S. unexpended obligations:$1.66 billion
¬¬¬¬¬_____
Endnotes:
12 White House,“Strengthening Military Families: Meeting America’s Commitment”(2011), available at http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2011/011...
strengthening_our_military_jan uary_2011.pdf
13 Erin Bagalman,“Suicide, PTSD, and Substance Use Among OEF/OIF Veterans Using VA Health Care: Facts and Figures”(Washington: Congressional Research Service, July 18, 2011) available at http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41921.pdf
14 Ibid.
15 Centers for Disease Control,“Suicide: Facts at a Glance,” Summer 2010, http://
www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_Da... .
(Contd.)
In 10 years the US military will be fully robotic.
If the US survives the planned imploding.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50519 Apr 6, 2013
THE THINKER IS THE THOUGHT:

"The thinker is the thought."

- J Krishnamurti.

COMMENTS:

How is this possible?

Don't we have bodies and emotions?

If the thinker is the thought then shouldn't our physical bodies and emotions and the life-force itself quit our being simply leaving behind a residue of mental force?

Or, does it mean an exclusive centering of the consciousness in the mental mode while living in the body and being invaded by vital instincts?

Who is this thinker, referred to by J Krishnamurti?

Is the individualized Self that stands high above the lower ranges of consciousness from where it supports the entire play of the cosmic planes the thinker?

Or is the thinker the mind which is an aspect of the manifested individualized consciousness?

Since intelligence, information and awareness inhere in consciousness, thus it stands to reason that thoughts are simply dynamic mind-waves that keep arising in the mind field and carry with them their own energy and power of realization.

Now, the individual has 3 major aspects -

a) Self,

b) psychic, and

c) ego.

The Self is a direct projection of the Absolute Consciousness and is the central being in the individual and in it is inherent all-power, all-knowledge and all-presence.

The psychic is an aspect of the Self that it puts forth in the manifestation to organize the mind, vital and physical in the individual.

The ego element is the peculiar twist given by our mental, vital and physical tendencies to the mental, vital and physical force fields in us. There is thus a mental ego, a vital ego and a physical ego, whereas the root of the ego, taken in its collective sense, is rooted in the subconscient.

The ego, on each of the planes of mind, vital and physical, constituting the frontal personality in the human being, can identify itself with the workings of any of these planes.

Now, when the mental ego identifies itself in its awakened state with the person's mind range of consciousness then it could be stated that the mental ego dictates the kind of thoughts it will indulge in, the type of mental waves it will permit to penetrate the mind field from outside and how it will influence the vital ego and the physical ego to behave or act.

Most humans are centered in the mind-in-the vital poise which is the infusion of certain lower mind planes in the vital.

As such our thoughts are molded or colored by our vital instincts.

The deeper mentation that's relatively freer from much of the vital clouding is the preserve of the higher intellectuals.

So, when the mental ego gets activated in the individual then he/she lives the life of an intellectual and is more or less moved exclusively by the world of thoughts and ideas though in many ways the common herd of human beings act as mental beings despite the fact that their mental consciousness is more under the influences of vital desires and physical pulls.

For the thinker to be the thought, the individual should live a life that's mostly cabined in the field of pure thoughts and such an individual should, in most ways, be oblivious to vital desires and physical dictates. Aristotle, Socrates, J Krishnamurti and other high-end thinkers can be classified as thinkers who've identified themselves in consciousness with their thoughts - a case when the thinker is the thought.

Yoga on the mental planes is different and involves the awakening of the psychic that then unites with the nature, powers and phenomena of the mind planes and connects to the cosmic mind planes via this identification of the subject with the object.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50520 Apr 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
In 10 years the US military will be fully robotic.
If the US survives the planned imploding.
Yes when soldiers become cowards, they would leave their jobs to robots.

As it is most of soldiers are like Robots, following the orders of their superiors without asking questions.
Gray

Mechanicsville, VA

#50521 Apr 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
In 10 years the US military will be fully robotic.
If the US survives the planned imploding.
BINGO! You're right.

AND...

As usual, what AIPAC's nest of spies don't steal from Americans, AIPAC, JINSA, ADL, JDL & 50+ other Zionist Lobbies extract out of their US Government Hirelings in Congress etc.

The REAL "Cost" of Israel" to LOYAL Americans is impossible to determine but mainly in Arlington or in line with me at a V.A. Hospital from fighting Israel's Wars for Lebensraum (Igot another, earlier, fraudulent war but seeing 20 year olds who left arms in legs in Iraq for AIPAC** is infuriating to any loyal American:
**“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN.’03
---

Among the dirty little secrets of that dirty, little Nazi Colony* is attempting "Genocide by Joystick"

*“THE NAZI ZIONIST PACT”
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/Zionist_no...
“IT HAS BEEN LONG FORGOTTEN THAT THE ONLY TWO FLAGS TO FLY IN THE THIRD REICH WERE THE SWASTIKA AND THE BLUE-AND-WHITE ZIONIST BANNER”
CONTINUED

“ISRAEL PAVES THE WAY FOR KILLING BY REMOTE CONTROL”
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-e...

EXCERPT “ Spot and Shoot, as it is called by the Israeli military, may look like a video game but the figures on the screen are real people - Palestinians in Gaza - who can be killed with the press of a button on the joystick.

-far away in an operations room, are responsible for aiming and firing remote-controlled machine-guns mounted on watch-towers

-The demand for such devices, the Israeli army admits, has been partly fuelled by a combination of declining recruitment levels and a population less ready to risk death in combat.
extrajudicial executions "PlayStation mentality to killing"COONTINUED

“ISRAEL USING GAZA AS ‘TESTING FIELD’ FOR WEAPONS”
http://alethonews.wordpress.com/tag/israel/pa...
EXCERPT “Israel used Gaza as a field experiment for the Iron Dome [missile system]” and the weapons of the Israeli army, Israeli newspaper Jerusalem Post quoted Meshaal as saying in a surprise meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Ankara late on Friday.

The Hamas leader also criticized the Israeli regime for “fabricating excuses” to launch the recent attacks on the Gaza Strip.”CONTINUED

“NEW COMBAT ROBOTS READY FOR GAZA GROUND OFFENSIVE”
http://www.australiansforpalestine.net/71983
EXCERPT"As part of its preparations for an upcoming ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, the Israeli army is planning to use in combat for the first time ever an unmanned ground vehicle, their new death-gadget....CONTINUED,

“Killing by Remote Control: The Bulldozing of Morality”
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Peter...

EXCERPT “Reuters reported recently that Israel would soon be deploying remote-controlled bulldozers.(2)

The remote-control technology for the massive bulldozers supposedly addresses an Israeli concern for the safety of the "indomitable drivers." Israelis have been using bulldozers to flatten the homes of Palestinians and on too many occasions the people inside the homes." CONTINUED
__________

The ONLY thing to save the US is Liberation from Zionist Lobbies & deportation of our Glut of T.raitorous Z.ionist "D.ual" C.itizens here sucking blood & money along with AIPAC.

Our T.Z."D."C.s here like to use phony "Patriotic" Usernames but do nothing but Shill for Shekels

HOWEVER...

The GOOD News:

“U.S. intelligence community draft report says Dump Israel!”
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/08/u-s-intellig...

& Hagel's appointment means.....maybe there's hope.

Thanks,
Gray
Gray

Mechanicsville, VA

#50522 Apr 7, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Chosen by who for what? nobody ever told me this.
Some delusional Khazar found a Kosher Mirror

OR

According to Ziono-Mythology:

- the "Flintsteins" came along and stole Canaan from "Terror- yanasaurus Rex", YHWH transferred an unrecorded Deed to Palestine to some whacked-out Zio-Nuts who hear voices when they want to steal something else etc etc

“New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/01/new-g...
EXCERPTS “ On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down.
“But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.”

“How could those those eminent Jewish scientist before him have been so wrong? Easy says Dr. Elhaik,“First these researchers decided what conclusions they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it.” I was not bashing Jewish scientists. What Elhaik has described is a slam dunk fraud.

“But why? Why would Jews who take such pride in the academic achievement risk exposing themselves to a group deception which was bound to be discovered later? Dr. Elhaik does not delve into the quicksand of the politics,” CONTINUED

"HABIRU"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru

Carol Redmount who wrote 'Bitter Lives: Israel in and out of Egypt' in The Oxford History of the Biblical World concluded that the term "Habiru" had no common ethnic affiliations, that they spoke no common language, and that they normally led a marginal and sometimes lawless existence on the fringes of settled society.[4] She defines the various Apiru/Habiru as "a loosely defined, inferior social class composed of shifting and shifty population elements without secure ties to settled communities" who are referred to "as outlaws, mercenaries, and slaves" in ancient texts.[5] In that vein, some modern scholars consider the Habiru to be more of a social designation than an ethnic or a tribal one."CONTINUED

“IN ANCIENT EGYPT, CANAAN REVISITED WITHOUT ISRAEL”

http://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/in-a...

EXCERPT "In his article “Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho“, appearing in Ha’aretz (29 October 1999), Ze’ev Herzog calls the mention of Israel on the stele a reference to “population group of nomads” who most probably were always on the move, looking for fertile land to herd their animals. In the article Herzog concludes.

“Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out:

The patriarchs’ acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, and we did not conquer the land.

Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon.

Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn’t want to hear about it.”

Did you know that Egypt is mentioned in the Holy Bible approximately 700 times (Egypt: 595 times, Egyptian(s): 120 times).

Israelites were mentioned in the ancient Egyptian records once or … maybe none at all."CONTINUED

I think the following sources should clear things up a little.

“Nazism, Zionism and Collective Insanity”
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/421

“Autism diagnoses in Israel jump almost fivefold since 2004”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/autism-d...

Thanks,
Gray

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50523 Apr 7, 2013
Gray wrote:
<quoted text>
BINGO! You're right.
what a waste of life energy

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50524 Apr 7, 2013
JOEL wrote:
THE THINKER IS THE THOUGHT:
"The thinker is the thought."
- J Krishnamurti.
you think?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50525 Apr 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right my brother. Racism is good upto a level where you are able to trace your origins.
But to claim superiority over other people just because of your race and color of your skin and look down on others, who have different race than you or speak different language is root cause of most problems in our world today.
Islam teaches us that there is no superiority of a white man over black or black over white, or an Arab over non Arab and non Arab over Arab....we all are from same parent of Adam and Eve and Adam was created from dust.
So what we get in this world is not because of any particular race or skin pigment, but because of our deeds.
That is why Islam is the least racist of all religions of this world.
Incorrect - both Judaism and Christianity are based on deeds as well

get off your high horse

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