Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 72039 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#48124 Jan 29, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that the perpetrators cited Islamic law (ie, the law enunciated by Muhammad) to support their actions. They did as you said Muhammad had done--kill in a manner best suited to stop people from voicing their opposition and defiance of Islamic teachings and culture.
Seriously?! Do you frickin hear yourself?!
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#48125 Jan 29, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Seriously?! Do you frickin hear yourself?!
Absolutely. These are arguments that MUQ used previously in this incessant 'sword' cut and paste. Go back and read some of the trash. MUQ said that it was ok for Muhammad to kill mercilessly because he did so strategically to best stop others from questioning his authority. He said that the best way to win over people is to make examples of others. Then the rest will capitulate.

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#48126 Jan 29, 2013
What a load of BS! Just hateful rantings of a brainwashed human being.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#48127 Jan 29, 2013
Eric wrote:
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The problem is that the perpetrators cited Islamic law (ie, the law enunciated by Muhammad) to support their actions. They did as you said Muhammad had done--kill in a manner best suited to stop people from voicing their opposition and defiance of Islamic teachings and culture.
Do not any one' words at face level, ask him where the prophet ordered than females have "no right to get education"?

From what I know, our prophet said "It is obligatory on every Muslim man and Muslim women to get knowledge".

And he encouraged both Muslim men and women to learn to read and write and within his life time, Arabia transformed from being an "unlettered nation" into where reading and writing became a passion.

These are true situation during the life of our prophet. And you take the words of some "half cooked war lord" at their face value and try to malign Islam and Prophet.

Will your effort get you into the circle of honest people and those people who seek true knowledge or those who will just believe anything and every thing that shows islam and our prophet in bad light?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#48128 Jan 29, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Instigating that age old family feud? Personally, I'm not interested.
Get a bottle of wine and sleep over it!!

The feud would be gone when your hangover is really over.

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#48129 Jan 29, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>Get a bottle of wine and sleep over it!!

The feud would be gone when your hangover is really over.
lol I do love me some wine. Though I'm not the one at war here. There is no feud taking place within me. The battle has already been won for my soul. I feel no need to wage jihad on the infidels because in my mind there are no infidels. Just people. People who are free to worship however they like. I have no need to prove my beliefs to others. They certainly don't have to prove their's to me. So why all the violence?

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#48130 Jan 30, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Actually there is debate as to whether they were a group of believers known as the Essenes (Jesus being a Nazarene and all) or not. From an outside perspective (I'm christian), messianic judaism appears to be the closest one can get to seeking The Way as the original twelve did. However, I have read that Jews don't consider it to be a branch of Judaism. Again, I am not a Jew. I am a gentile who chooses to live as closely to the root of the Tree of Life as possible.
Messianic Christianity is not Judaism. It is a type of Christianity by default. One can not be Jewish and still believe in Jesus as a messiah. Christians such as Hughbe dont get a vote as to what us Jews consider Judaism to be.

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#48131 Jan 30, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
What a load of BS! Just hateful rantings of a brainwashed human being.
We keep MUQ around to amuse ourselves with. Hopefully, in his home country they keep him far away from implements of destruction and farm animals.

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#48132 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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So, in your mind Homer Simpson is the SOURCE of the wisdom that comes from him.
Well, there is nothing more for me to say as your words say it all.
Nah, just because there is wisdom, I feel no compulsion to worship the TV.

Which is exactly my point. Actually two points.

1) there are multiple paths with wisdom

2) just because someone says something wise doesnt mean that they were historically real. This is the reason why we have fiction. You have no more proof that Jesus was real than I have that Homer Simpson was real. And that doesnt demean their teaching in any way.

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#48133 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Well, there is nothing more for me to say as your words say it all.
I'll bet you 100 Jesus's in a pizza that you cant go three days without evangelacizing here.

Or even better, you cant go 2 days of posting without a sexual reference, most likely a gay reference.

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#48134 Jan 30, 2013
Just in case anyone is wondering where to get Jesus pizza.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/the-other-si...

Face of Jesus Christ appears in three-cheese pizza
former res

Broomall, PA

#48135 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- "He does not exist" and YET you are "quite sure he would not approve" of my comment.
Do you try at all to comply with the teachings and/or wishes of your god?

This is about you, not me or my beliefs.

Why do you evade your poor religioua practice?

Sounds like hypocisy to me.

You have a long pattern of not standing by your own words.

Don't be a coward. Be a man.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--But I assume that he does for you.
HughBe--- So I should be sure and not you.
Yet you continure to rationalize your own bad behavior.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--And we all know of the teachings; the Beatitudes; the Golden Rule.
HughBe-- WE know of the teachings of a fictitious person. Interesting
In the way that a child knows what will please or displease Santa Claus.

"He knows if you've been bad or good...."
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- I too am KIND and understanding and I do turn the other cheek BUT not always.
Former--It is when you are truly challenged (and even outraged) that the appropriate response matters.
HughBe--- Profound
Yet you continue to fail this simple test, miserably.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Anyone can be Christ-like in fair weather.
HughBe-- Tell me what would constitute being Christ-like if there is no Christ.
By your own beliefs, you've clearly shown your ability to use your imagination. Don't let that ability fail you now in your hour of need.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Wealthy people live with wealthy people and poor people live with poor people.
HughBe--- Brilliant observation.
Yet you continue to deny this clear demographic divide in terms of churches.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Your faux indignation cannot undo this simple truth.
HughBe--- I have not sought to undo a self-evident TRUTH.
Only to ignore it. And self-deception by omission.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--You have much to learn my child.Stay the course.
HughBe--Well papa you have stopped learning, what a pity.
Open your mind.

Allow truth and knowledge to wash over you.

I promise it won't hurt a bit.
former res

Broomall, PA

#48136 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Nah, just because there is wisdom, I feel no compulsion to worship the TV.
Which is exactly my point. Actually two points.
1) there are multiple paths with wisdom
2) just because someone says something wise doesnt mean that they were historically real. This is the reason why we have fiction. You have no more proof that Jesus was real than I have that Homer Simpson was real. And that doesnt demean their teaching in any way.
Is Huggy saying there is absolutely nothing to be learned from fiction?

That the authors never impart any wisdom or philosophy through their craft?

Do artists' creations have no meaning whatsover?

Huggy must live in a very bleak world, devoid of art, imagination or meaning.

Well...except for that whole religion thing....

How can he find meaning in his religion if he seems to not think abstractly?

Is it like an idiot savant?

Just askin'

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#48137 Jan 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Is Huggy saying there is absolutely nothing to be learned from fiction?
That the authors never impart any wisdom or philosophy through their craft?
Do artists' creations have no meaning whatsover?
Huggy must live in a very bleak world, devoid of art, imagination or meaning.
Well...except for that whole religion thing....
How can he find meaning in his religion if he seems to not think abstractly?
Is it like an idiot savant?
Just askin'
The answer is.....

YES

It is obvious that his world is bleak - his (lack of) attitude towards learning new things is evidence of this.

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#48138 Jan 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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Is Huggy saying there is absolutely nothing to be learned from fiction?
That the authors never impart any wisdom or philosophy through their craft?
Do artists' creations have no meaning whatsover?
Huggy must live in a very bleak world, devoid of art, imagination or meaning.
Well...except for that whole religion thing....
How can he find meaning in his religion if he seems to not think abstractly?
Is it like an idiot savant?
Just askin'
former res

Broomall, PA

#48139 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The answer is.....
YES
It is obvious that his world is bleak - his (lack of) attitude towards learning new things is evidence of this.
How sad is that!?

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#48140 Jan 30, 2013
former res wrote:
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How sad is that!?
I dont think it is only bleak though. I think there is also a shade of anger (masquerading as self-righteousness).
former res

Broomall, PA

#48141 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont think it is only bleak though. I think there is also a shade of anger (masquerading as self-righteousness).
He certainly acts like a little bitch.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48142 Jan 30, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Actually there is debate as to whether they were a group of believers known as the Essenes (Jesus being a Nazarene and all) or not. From an outside perspective (I'm christian), messianic judaism appears to be the closest one can get to seeking The Way as the original twelve did. However, I have read that Jews don't consider it to be a branch of Judaism. Again, I am not a Jew. I am a gentile who chooses to live as closely to the root of the Tree of Life as possible.
HughBe--"Messianic Judaism" sounds like a branch of Judaism to me.

Tell me, how did the Jews who followed Jesus, the Jew, view their discipleship?

Justsay--- From an outside perspective (I'm christian), messianic judaism appears to be the closest one can get to seeking The Way as the original twelve did. However, I have read that Jews don't consider it to be a branch of Judaism.

HughBe---Indeed SOME modern Jews don't consider Messianic Judaism to be a branch of Judaism BUT I can assure you that not ALL share that view.
Historically, the 12 JEWISH apostles certainly regarded it as a part of "Judaism". The early Jewish Christians who attended synagogues certainly did. Secular society certainly regarded Christianity as a branch or SECT of Judaism and this was the case for hundreds of years.

Note, there is a NASTY habit of the rabbis of Judaism to redefine historical concepts to fit their fabricated teachings. Fortunately there are historical records that give a TRUE version of history.

Finally, the modern Jews in the movement that you speak of certainly regard Messianic Judaism as a branch of Judaism. Indeed the name says it all.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48143 Jan 30, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Messianic Jews, if they are really what they claim to be, are the True Jews and the True Christians too.
However if they have taken this title only as a label to misguide people, then they are as false as so many church groups and denominations.
Allah Knows Best.
MUQ---Messianic Jews, if they are really what they claim to be, are the True Jews and the True Christians too.

HughBe---Correct i.e. true Spiritually and true physically the others are true physically.

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