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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47636 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Everybody has their price
rabbee: yeah! but it is the actual cost, that actually worries me.
idgaf

Tewksbury, MA

#47642 Jan 23, 2013
CoR: I don't believe in god due to lack of evidence. I am an atheist.
Idgaf: you've never from your early childhood believed in a higher power than yourself? Really? What did you say the last time something bad happened to you? OMG?
CoR: I assumed you were agnostic based on your previous posts where you seemed to question the existence of god and/or his attributes, claiming it was unknowable.
Idgaf: the fact that I claim that God is unknowable cannot be why I would be agnostic. I am 100 percent convinced that it is not possible to know God and that He/She/It is something humans simply don't understand. That being said, I believe there is something more powerful than I, what it is, I don't know, but I believe that energy is there somewhere. Call it God, call it Jesus, Call it Heaven or what you may.
CoR: The question is malformed and presents a false dichotomy.Personally, I would refuse to take the test if the proctor of the exam is going to be a prick and not even tell me what's on it.
Idgaf: you are quick ... At times I think you are nearly following me and at times you misunderstand what I state. The point of the question was to bring the exact answer without the "prick" to light. Why would you waste time trying to pease something that you cannot possibly understand? Going to church. Reading the bible, torah, etc? Praying? In my mind, you will be better prepared to simply live your life and leave nothing on the table. If God is there, you will find out in due time, if God is not there, you will never know.
CoR: OTOH, I might still study one or more of the above topics in an effort to better educate myself, even if I don't intend to take any test.
Idgaf: was not the point of the question, but a good thought none-the-less. Why are you an athiest? Is it possible nothing more powerful than the human exists? Like I said, I believe in what I call God, but it is not like the masses believe. The books tell stories that were put together by humans. You mentioned or asked why I need a God to live. I don't. I choose to believe in something greater than myself 'cause like the ants, we are much more powerful than they and so something more powerful than us is out there somewhere. We have simply not met that yet. Is it God? Is it alien? Is it our Maker? Who knows. That's one of the mysteries.

Just think, if everyone believed what you and I believe even though we believe differently, you and I wouldn't be discussing such an interesting subject.
idgaf

Tewksbury, MA

#47643 Jan 23, 2013
Idgaf: mom was catholic turned to another christian branch.
CoR: Why can't your life have reason or purpose without a god?
Idgaf: I'm perfectly fine. Where's ur question coming from? Angle? Too many people need to believe. Read my posts from earlier. Maybe I was asleep writing and confused u.

CoR: The only thing a god would provide is an externally determined purpose. You can still have an internally determined purpose(s) without a god. And why do we need childish stories of eternal reward or damnation to coerce us into being good. I certainly don't. Do you?

Idgaf: read what I wrote and interpret as you wish ... I am getting "we are in violent agreement" from you on many points in a strange sort of way
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47644 Jan 23, 2013
Food choice is largely determined by the state of consciousness one is in.
idgaf

Tewksbury, MA

#47645 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Now - back to the truely important issues that confront us today:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/0...
Beyoncé's Rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner Was Awesome. It Was Also Lip-Synced.
...[T]o close observers, it seems evident that the performer was not singing live. To press seated just below the podium, in front of the “President’s Own” Marine Corps Band, it was evident that the band wasn’t actually playing during the song—even though band director Colonel Michael J. Colburn was conducting energetically and the band members mimicked blowing into their instruments....
....The pop singer isn't the first performing artist to rely on a recording during winter weather. At Obama's first inauguration, cellist Yo-Yo Ma and violinist Itzhak Perlman also played along to a previously recorded version of their work, no doubt because of the frigid temperatures. Still, the news that Beyoncé's performance wasn't the real deal is still a little bit of a let down given the rave reviews that quickly poured in online and elsewhere after the performance.(In the measured words of TMZ: "IT WAS F**KING AWESOME.")...
These talented singers/entertainers don't really impress me at all. I personally cannot stand beyonce and the chic that sings ... "Shine bright like a diamond ... Shine bright like a diamond ..." Sorry, creativity lacking in my mind ... And where in the world do they get diamonds in the sky ... Sorry, these entertainers are less than impressive.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47646 Jan 23, 2013
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE CLEAN OR UNCLEAN FOOD?

There is nothing like CLEAN and UNCLEAN food.

Kosher and halaal are practices based on ignorance, superstition and cruelty.

From the viewpoint of matter, food reduces to classes of various chemicals.

From a deeper perspective, chemicals are a mixture of various forces - physical and vital.

Added to this is the mind element of the organism that infuses the chemicals and force fields.

So, what is pure or impure about chemicals and physical, vital and mental forces? Nothing at all.

What is important to note is is that hygienic norms are adhered to during the breeding, preservation and cooking stages.

However, certain classes of chemicals via food intake have a deleterious impact on health as proven by science.

From the logical and the yogic perspectives, those foods acquired through murder result in accumulation of bad karma and the intake of any food that is a result of murder/slaughter can unbalance the mind-body equilibrium since the pain/suffering experienced by say a cow while it's being murdered is imprinted as highly distorted mental-vital vibrations in its flesh molecules/force fields and this mass of disordered vibrations enters our body when we eat the flesh and this then adds to our store of negative vital and mental vibrations thus making us more prone to psychological and/or emotional disorders and besides, again, a non-vegetarian diet based on slaughter lowers our respect for life and induces in us cruelty and insensitivity to pain/suffering.

However, the earth nature and its concomitant state of consciousness (as part of the evolution of consciousness from a state of involution) has still not shaken off its unregenerate trappings and so killing for food and intake of products of murder seen in the animal and mammalian kingdoms continues on a mass scale.

There can be individual choice/progress in this regard.

Food choice is determined by the state of consciousness one is in.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47647 Jan 23, 2013
My stomach is not a graveyard for murdered animals.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47649 Jan 23, 2013
Vegetarianism - food with a lofty philosophy, karma-free food.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47650 Jan 23, 2013
WAS JESUS A VEGETARIAN?

Many leaders of the early church were vegetarian.

Eusebius says that James the brother of Jesus was a vegetarian, and in fact was evidently raised as a vegetarian (Ecclesiastical History 2.23).

Why would Jesus’ parents have raised James as a vegetarian, unless they were vegetarian themselves and raised Jesus as a vegetarian as well?

Eusebius also states (Proof of the Gospel 3.5) that all the apostles abstained from meat and wine.

Other famous early Christians who were vegetarian, based on statements made by them or about them, included Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Arnobius, Tertullian, and Jerome.
Eric

Bensenville, IL

#47651 Jan 23, 2013
JOEL wrote:
My stomach is not a graveyard for murdered animals.
So, there is "clean" and "unclean" food. The designations may change according to belief, but you recognize that there are foods that are proper to eat and foods that are improper to eat.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47652 Jan 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

So, there is "clean" and "unclean" food. The designations may change according to belief, but you recognize that there are foods that are proper to eat and foods that are improper to eat.
Vegetarianism has nothing to do with clean or unclean foods.

Please re-read my post.

I'll explain more in detail, later.

Bye.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47653 Jan 24, 2013
WHAT IS PERFECT PEACE?

1) PERFECT PEACE is the complete absence of turmoil or of opposition of any or every kind.

2) When does perfect peace arise? Perfect peace manifests when every opposing particle and force finds its true position in the cosmic hierarchy and this in turn is reflected as perfect balance among the opposites leading to an absence of clashes among them.

3) This perfect balance among the opposites manifests as perfect poise and perfect calm and as something extremely soothing to the human consciousness in around it. Even nature would enter into a state of perfect harmony under its impact.

4) The planes subject to disharmony are the mind, vital and physical planes where dualism is the ruling principle.

5) Perfect harmony is manifested on these triple lower planes of mind, vital and matter only when a supramental force that's based on the unification principle infuses them, otherwise any attempt to inculcate peace in the mental, vital-emotional and physical movements by employing the forces of either the mind or vital or physical is temporary and the superficial equilibrium induced is quickly lost as a struggle soon breaks out among them.

6) Perfect peace indicates perfect balance among the warring, dissociated and tumultuous constituents of mind, vital and physical whose natural movement till now is an attempt to control the play of the forces leading to clashes and wear and tear and additionally each is also influenced by unbalanced factors coming from external nature or via human relationships. So, the perfect balance among the planes and parts of being and among the varied forces of external nature have to necessarily be in place before perfect peace reigns in external nature and in the individual.

7) One major result of the perfect peace, or of perfect balance among the various aspects of nature/being on the mental, vital and physical planes, would be physical immortality since the heightened consciousness of the unifying kind would easily overcome/absorb the wear and tear and decomposition of matter with the mind and vita-emotional forces, too, attaining to a state of perfect harmony by which the stability of matter would be enhanced and further supported and the fatalistic vibrations or impressions of death, pessimism, fear and dissolution imprinted in the subconscient would also be erased and cease to be a source of sending up negative suggestions into the waking consciousness that could have an adverse affect on mind, vital and matter.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47654 Jan 24, 2013
*

adverse EFFECT on mind, vital and matter.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47655 Jan 24, 2013
POOR JESUS, the so-called Prince of Peace, could neither attain to the perfect peace that would have made him physically immortal nor could he instil perfect peace in nature. IMPOSTOR. LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47656 Jan 24, 2013
**

So, the perfect balance among the planes and parts of being and among the varied forces of external nature HAS to necessarily be in place before perfect peace reigns in external nature and in the individual.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#47658 Jan 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ,
Did you ever watch cartoons as a child?
I watch them as an adult, every day , on any thread I visit.!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#47659 Jan 24, 2013
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-45

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : ABDULLAH (DUL BAJADAIN)

He was a young lad, whose father died when he was quite young.. His uncle took care of him and provided him with camels and other items of daily life, to improve his lot.

Abdullah heard about Islam when he was very young, he was afraid of his uncle and was hoping that he would become Muslim sooner or later. When prophet conquered Makkah and still his uncle did not accept Islam, he went to his uncle and told “I was waiting all these years, hoping that you would accept Islam, but it seems you have no interest in it, but I want to accept Islam”

‘If you want to become Muslim you will have to forgo all your wealth including clothes on your body” his uncle told harshly.

Abdullah immediately renounce all his wealth and dress on his body and went to his mother, naked and told that he has left all his wealth and he want to go to Madina to become Muslim. His mother gave him one blanket, which he cut in two pieces and wrapped around his torso and his shoulder and went to Madina.

He reached Madina during night and went to Prophet’s mosque and waited for prophet to emerge. Prophet saw him after morning prayer and asked his story, Abdullah told his full story, prophet was very much impressed by his sincerity and his faith. He accepted Islam and prophet gave him nickname DUL BAJADAIN which means “One with two blankets”.

Abdullah joined the group of SUFFA and started his learning of Quran and Islamic way of life. Shortly afterward Battle of Tabuk took place. DUL BAJADAIN went to prophet and said “O Messenger of Allah, pray to Allah that I receive martyrdom in this battle”

Prophet asked him to bring the bark of a tree to him. When he came with the bark, prophet tied it on his arm as an arm band and said “O Allah! I prohibit that any Non believer should shed his blood”

DUL BAJADAIN said “I wanted martyrdom, but you have said a thing totally opposite” Prophet replied “If you go forward in way of Allah and you die due to any cause, you are a martyr”

When the army reached Tabuk, DUL BAJADAIN was inflicted with high fever and he died after a brief illness. He was buried during night, with Bilal holding the torch, and Abu Bakr and Omar were lowering him in the grave and prophet was sitting near the grave giving instruction.

When the body was lowered in the grave, prophet prayed “O Allah! I was happy with him till this evening, you also become happy with him”

IBN MASOOD wished,“Oh would I have been in this grave”.

Such was the strange story of Abdullah i.e. DUL BAJADAIN victim of Prophet’ and Islam’ love.

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47660 Jan 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE CLEAN OR UNCLEAN FOOD?
There is nothing like CLEAN and UNCLEAN food.
Kosher and halaal are practices based on ignorance, superstition and cruelty.
From the viewpoint of matter, food reduces to classes of various chemicals.
From a deeper perspective, chemicals are a mixture of various forces - physical and vital.
Added to this is the mind element of the organism that infuses the chemicals and force fields.
So, what is pure or impure about chemicals and physical, vital and mental forces? Nothing at all.
What is important to note is is that hygienic norms are adhered to during the breeding, preservation and cooking stages.
However, certain classes of chemicals via food intake have a deleterious impact on health as proven by science.
From the logical and the yogic perspectives, those foods acquired through murder result in accumulation of bad karma and the intake of any food that is a result of murder/slaughter can unbalance the mind-body equilibrium since the pain/suffering experienced by say a cow while it's being murdered is imprinted as highly distorted mental-vital vibrations in its flesh molecules/force fields and this mass of disordered vibrations enters our body when we eat the flesh and this then adds to our store of negative vital and mental vibrations thus making us more prone to psychological and/or emotional disorders and besides, again, a non-vegetarian diet based on slaughter lowers our respect for life and induces in us cruelty and insensitivity to pain/suffering.
However, the earth nature and its concomitant state of consciousness (as part of the evolution of consciousness from a state of involution) has still not shaken off its unregenerate trappings and so killing for food and intake of products of murder seen in the animal and mammalian kingdoms continues on a mass scale.
There can be individual choice/progress in this regard.
Food choice is determined by the state of consciousness one is in.
actually you missed the concept ENTIRELY.

Kosher is not about clean vs unclean (that is an English translation) it is about ritual purity which is very different. Even the word "purity" doesnt do justice to the concept.

"...In Jewish Kosher laws, the use of the terms ‘clean’ and ‘unclean’ has absolutely no relation to the ‘sanitary’ connotations of either antiseptic or dirty, nor of spotlessly clean or filthy.
In actuality, these attributes of clean and unclean are not to be found in the Bible. Instead our interpretation of the classifications of the Hebraic words ‘Tahur’ and ‘Tomei’ is closer to ‘Pure’ and its opposite ‘unpure’. Unfortunately, somewhere down the line these terms were mistranslated as clean or not-clean.

Even the categories of pure and impure have different meanings. In language, pure means unadulterated; in Biblical terms ‘pure’ and ‘impure’ mean entirely different things because it refers to a spiritual level. Something ‘impure’ can, in certain instances, contaminate the ‘pure’ in cases where, for example, they are both ‘under the same tent’.." http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/553,209436...

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"What is important to note is is that hygienic norms are adhered to during the breeding, preservation and cooking stages..."

EXACTLY!- which is why the laws of Koshering apply to the origin and preparation as well as the foods themselves.

(BTW The reason we dont mix milk and meat is to avoid the karmic consequences as having an aninal mother watch her kid get cooked)

After keeping Kosher, it is not difficult for a Jew to turn vegetarian or vegan, because they already understand the discipline required.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47661 Jan 24, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: yeah! but it is the actual cost, that actually worries me.
wise.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47662 Jan 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm NOT the author of the expression and I was simply describing it in the way that others would do. If I were class conscious in the way that you are speaking I would NEVER have attended those two churches.

I would have gone to churches where the majority are professionals/business people and YES there are those types of churches.
You are not the author? Did someone else write your post for you?

I said you were class CONSCIOUS. i.e. you were conscious of class distinctions. Obviously you are, or you would of never made that observation.

How much haughtiness or arrogance is imputed by that observation is a secondary, but related discussion.

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