60 years later, gang leader's slaying...

60 years later, gang leader's slaying still unsolved

There are 1204 comments on the Journal Star story from Oct 23, 2007, titled 60 years later, gang leader's slaying still unsolved. In it, Journal Star reports that:

“Shelton, 60 (actually, he was 59), was blasted out of a Jeep by machine-gun slugs fired by the gunmen from a black Sedan on a country road near his rich farmlands”

Few Peorians likely recognize the once-infamous name. Even fewer recall the swift and violent end of Carl Shelton as he traveled near Fairfield. via Journal Star

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IllinoisHistory

Marion, IL

#1218 Mar 18, 2013
Your questions are answered in Ruthie Shelton's new book, "Inside the Shelton Gang: One Daughter's Discovery" which comes out this Saturday.

Ruthie, who has posted on here before, is the daughter of "Little Carl" Shelton. Jon Musgrave of IllinoisHistory.com is co-author.

They will be having a book signing Saturday, March 23, 2013, at the Wayne County Press newspaper office downtown at 213 E. Main St., from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

The book is 256 pages, 6x9, a paperback with more than two dozen photographs, most of which have never been published before.

Books can be ordered at www.IllinoisHistory.com/books . Orders will be shipped starting next Monday.

Musgrave has previously co-authored, "Secrets of the Herrin Gangs," with Ralph Johnson, the alias for Shelton gangster Max Pulliam, who first wrote his account in 1927. This book tells the story of the Klan War and Gang War with the Birger Gang from the perspective of a Shelton gangster. Musgrave's half of the book focuses on identifying Johnson's real name and actual criminal career.

More information and ordering can be found at the above link.
Uncle Buds Girl

Bloomington, IL

#1219 Mar 19, 2013
What town is that (Wayne County Press newspaper office downtown at 213 E. Main St) in please?

Do you happen to know if Ms. Ruthie is free for dinner that night?
IllinoisHistory wrote:
Your questions are answered in Ruthie Shelton's new book, "Inside the Shelton Gang: One Daughter's Discovery" which comes out this Saturday.
Ruthie, who has posted on here before, is the daughter of "Little Carl" Shelton. Jon Musgrave of IllinoisHistory.com is co-author.
They will be having a book signing Saturday, March 23, 2013, at the Wayne County Press newspaper office downtown at 213 E. Main St., from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
The book is 256 pages, 6x9, a paperback with more than two dozen photographs, most of which have never been published before.
Books can be ordered at www.IllinoisHistory.com/books . Orders will be shipped starting next Monday.
Musgrave has previously co-authored, "Secrets of the Herrin Gangs," with Ralph Johnson, the alias for Shelton gangster Max Pulliam, who first wrote his account in 1927. This book tells the story of the Klan War and Gang War with the Birger Gang from the perspective of a Shelton gangster. Musgrave's half of the book focuses on identifying Johnson's real name and actual criminal career.
More information and ordering can be found at the above link.
IllinoisHistory

Marion, IL

#1220 Mar 20, 2013
The book signing is in Fairfield, Illinois.
Uncle Buds Girl

Bloomington, IL

#1221 Mar 22, 2013
Cheers...I was hoping to make the trip down for the signing, but with this new weather system heading this way I best not risk it.

If the book is purchased online is it possible to get it signed by both Ruthie & Jon?

Do you happen to know if Ruthie is planning on making a trip up to Peoria as she'll be somewhat in the neighborhood? I'd love to meet up with her if our schedules can manage it (I'm in Bloomington, IL, but I was born & raised in the river city, so I know my way around) & show her a spot where her family members used to visit quite often in the 1970's. Although my Father is no longer here (he grew-up in the neighborhood), my Uncle (whose parents lived almost across the street from this family) is still here & he just might have some stories to share with her.
IllinoisHistory wrote:
The book signing is in Fairfield, Illinois.
IllinoisHistory

Marion, IL

#1222 Mar 22, 2013
Books ordered at this time, and at least through April will definitely have both of our autographs. After she returns to Florida, it will as long as supplies last. We met today in Mount Vernon and signed a bunch of books for the online and mail orders.

I want to get something set up in Peoria, but have not done so yet.
oscar

Mascoutah, IL

#1223 Mar 22, 2013
where did ruthie get her infomation from for the book? she was on here asking a lot of questions, just wonder if it is all heresay?
Gwenyth Jett

Belton, TX

#1224 Mar 22, 2013
My grandmother was either a sister or a niece to Charlie. The story I heard was that the woman killed was someone Charlie had dated. One of the men heard that Charlie was back in the area (perhaps just put of jail).
The second man went to warn the couple. Charlie had heard that his girl was seeing another guy. When Charlie got there, he killed all three and burnt down the house.

Since: Mar 13

Belton, TX

#1225 Mar 22, 2013
howe wrote:
ruthie?? do you really belive that?..what they were afraid of,was that they would get there befor someone one of the pondcreeker could get safe at home
The Sheltons had better guns than the police....they had machine guns. Law officers were afraid to go into that area without a show of force. I'm a niece of Charlie's on my dad's side. My mom's side is from Wayne County, too. This murder has been a hot topic since I was a kid. An uncle on my mom's side was on the jury that sent Charlie to jail the last time.
oscar

Mascoutah, IL

#1226 Mar 23, 2013
Let me tell you what i think happened with people close to the sheltons and also Blackie Harris, as i was told long long ago.....Friends and Relation grew up around both groups Idealizing them as time went by and they saw what vicious killings affects would have on them. they grew tired , BUT there was no way out for most, When thyose groups were weaking by one or more gitting killed or one being sent up and out of the way.........some so called friend ands some so called close familey members taking what they could get with no repercustions
Gwenyth Jett

Belton, TX

#1227 Mar 23, 2013
oscar wrote:
Let me tell you what i think happened with people close to the sheltons and also Blackie Harris, as i was told long long ago.....Friends and Relation grew up around both groups Idealizing them as time went by and they saw what vicious killings affects would have on them. they grew tired , BUT there was no way out for most, When thyose groups were weaking by one or more gitting killed or one being sent up and out of the way.........some so called friend ands some so called close familey members taking what they could get with no repercustions
I'm sure the children of these folks had a rough time. If family and friends knew things and repeated them, they could be hurt. I knew of these things from family conversations...after about 1968. But, my family are distant cousins...even though they are from Wayne County
Gwenyth Jett

Belton, TX

#1228 Mar 23, 2013
IllinoisHistory wrote:
Books ordered at this time, and at least through April will definitely have both of our autographs. After she returns to Florida, it will as long as supplies last. We met today in Mount Vernon and signed a bunch of books for the online and mail orders.
I want to get something set up in Peoria, but have not done so yet.
How can I order a book?
Uncle Buds Girl

Bloomington, IL

#1229 Mar 24, 2013
Greetings Anna...The murder of Carl appears to me to simply be a National Crime Syndicate sanctioned hit.

I also see many of the details that everyone dwells on to be nothing more then "red herrings" tossed out there by all parties @ the time to merely muddy the waters.

I'd be happy to explain my reasoning if you'd like on any certain aspect discussed in this forum thus far &/or my theory.
Anna wrote:
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I would also be most interested in hearing more on your theories. Within or outside of this forum, of course.
Uncle Buds Girl

Bloomington, IL

#1230 Mar 24, 2013
Books can be ordered at www.IllinoisHistory.com/books
Gwenyth Jett wrote:
<quoted text>
How can I order a book?
Uncle Buds Girl

Bloomington, IL

#1231 Mar 24, 2013
There were Shelton's that worked @ WABCO, but I'm almost certain that they are not from this family.
tso wrote:
wasn't there a younger Shelton brother that wasn't mixed in with the gang?
i think i met him along in the early 60s. he had 2 sons but i don't recall their names either, but all 3 lived in peoria.
his sons would be in their mid 60s. worked for WABCO i believe
Herman

Mascoutah, IL

#1232 Mar 25, 2013
Carl's Death, was done by the pond creek regulars with help from Buster Wortman,s men. any other conclusion would be dismissed by most in that area
History Reader

Waterloo, IL

#1233 Mar 25, 2013
Ruthie Shelton's book is a good read. People waited in line for a long time to get them when she was up at the Press office the other day. However.....my oh my are there a lot of mistakes in it! People paid $20 for it and it is full of grammatical and spelling mistakes. In one sentence, she means to use the words "wander" and used "wonder". There are lots of times this happens. I hope they edit it better and reissue it. It's a shame that such hard work would end up like that...maybe someone didn't do his/her job to edit it.$20?????
Herman

Mascoutah, IL

#1234 Mar 25, 2013
she got your $20, diddnt she??
Uncle Buds Girl

Bloomington, IL

#1235 Mar 26, 2013
Herman...Are you saying that you totally disagree with my theory that the murder of Carl appears to me to simply be a National Crime Syndicate sanctioned hit?

What about my theory that many of the details that everyone dwells on to be nothing more then "red herrings" tossed out there by all parties @ the time to merely muddy the waters?
Herman wrote:
Carl's Death, was done by the pond creek regulars with help from Buster Wortman,s men. any other conclusion would be dismissed by most in that area
Herman

Mascoutah, IL

#1236 Mar 26, 2013
i think ? thats just it, I think , you think......the days leading up to Carls killing , was a series of things including Beatings and shootings by Carl and his henchmans, pond creekers were fed up, including Blackie Harris, it was known that Blackie Had a dislike for the sheltons, some say a hatered. Blackie was though to be on Buster wortmans payroll, Buster had a lot to gain with Carl out of the way, as did all pond creek and its residents, sure the sheltons had a lot of friends there also.so it all came to a head when there was though to be a bounty on Carls head alone with Bernie, I Think it was a perfect time with Carl not being pertected, and that is a different subject..Why wasent Carl Pertected?? putting all this together. Carl was domed.That is what I think. do I know for sure?? hell no.all this thinking i have is what was printed and hear say, Proof??? i have none... Opinions are like rear ends everyone has one thats all
Herman

Mascoutah, IL

#1237 Mar 26, 2013
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