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Maple Resident

Maple Heights, OH

#1 Aug 18, 2014
I been in the Ferguson Topix and leaving posts. Most all of the posts there seem to be against the riots. Interesting stuff there.
Maple Native

Brecksville, OH

#2 Aug 18, 2014
Thanks for the tip!
Maple Resident

Maple Heights, OH

#3 Aug 18, 2014
Lots of angry white people in that post down there.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#4 Aug 18, 2014
Especially since the autopsy came out mostly in support of the officer. Bet they still keep rioting just to riot.
Maple Native

Brecksville, OH

#5 Aug 18, 2014
Nothing like national media attention to bring out the worst of these animals. Its just a big party to them to show off their degenerate attitude and disrespect of society in general.
Maple Resident

Maple Heights, OH

#6 Aug 19, 2014
Yeah, Michael Brown was just one big teddy bear.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/matthew-vadu...
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#7 Aug 19, 2014
Yeah, he was a criminal, but the cop was also grossly incompetent. Lethal force against an unarmed man. Try that sometimes and see how much time you get. lol

I shed no tears for that bully of a teen, but I also have no sympathy for the incompetent cop. Two idiots. One is dead, the other headed to jail.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#8 Aug 19, 2014
Mapleman wrote:
Yeah, he was a criminal, but the cop was also grossly incompetent. Lethal force against an unarmed man. Try that sometimes and see how much time you get. lol
I shed no tears for that bully of a teen, but I also have no sympathy for the incompetent cop. Two idiots. One is dead, the other headed to jail.
Why should police have less legal protection than a citizen?

If I were a smaller person and a 280 lbs 6'5" stranger charged at me like that, I would shoot him too and perfectly legal.

I was listening to the medical examiner on the radio yesterday that did the private autopsy that the Brown's requested. He said that this guy had very little fat a a high percentage of muscle.

Four bullet wounds to the arm and two (the ones that killed him) to the head tells me the officer tried to stop him using less lethal shots. It seems to me that when those bullets didn't stop Brown, he finally shot him in the head.
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#9 Aug 19, 2014
Maybe if you were a woman, disabled, or a senior citizen. No able-bodied man is winning a claim of self-defense in a scenario where he drops a person 30 feet away from him. An able-bodied man claiming fear of a potential a$$ whopping shouldn't be enough for a self-defense claim.

(Zimmerman beat his case because he was catching an a$$ whopping. Had he shot Trayvon from 30 feet away, he'd be in prison.)

Furthermore, cops go through self-defense training. Why would a trained individual have to gun down an unarmed attacker?

Sorry, Mike Brown may have been a thug, but the cop is an incompetent idiot who basically shat his pants when he is supposed to be trained not to do so.

Most citizens only have gun training to get the CCL. They don't have self-defense training like cops. So the average citizens at least has a plausible excuse for fearing an unarmed man who is large. Cops do not.

The bullet wounds could have came from him trying to hit center mass. They could have come from him going for a head shot while Brown's hands were in the air. It's just too hard to tell until we get more information.
Maple Resident

Maple Heights, OH

#10 Aug 19, 2014
I'd have to agree with xxx on this one. If I had a gun and an unarmed 6'5" 280lb guy is coming towards me, staring me down and looking really pissed off at me, I'd most likely pull the trigger too. I'd probably first shoot him in one kneecap and if that didn't stop him, the other kneecap. If the guy's on PCP though the only way to stop him would be a head shot.

I heard there was a struggle between the cop and Brown when the cop tried getting Brown into the squad car. Brown struggled away from the cop and started running away, then turned and was coming back. That's how I heard it.

And how was the cop to know Brown didn't have a gun? With all the cop shootings by blacks in recent years, I could see how a cop would be a little edgy while confronting a black, especially if the black's 6'5" and 280.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#11 Aug 19, 2014
I have plenty of information for you:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 10:00 AM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/break...

I may be able to do something outside of shooting a guy the size of Brown, but on the other hand, I'm at least his height and a black belt.

Even still, all the training in the world doesn't guarantee that you will be able to successfully defend yourself from an attacker that size. The officer stated that he suspected Brown as being under the influence. The autopsy report shows that he had pot in his system and the cigars he stole were renown for being used for blunts.

So what the officer had here was a huge guy possibly intox on something running at him like a train. He didn't stop for the first few non-lethal shots and kept on coming. This is on top of the fact the officer originally stopped him because he was walking in the middle of the street.

The officer suffered some injuries; how? Not known as of yet and it will take a few months for the full report.

But given the recent criminal activity of Brown, the injuries sustained by the officer, the fact the officer was with the police force over six years with a good record tells me that this officer had every right to gun down this thug. He was alone at the time protecting himself. Nothing wrong with that.
Maple Resident

Maple Heights, OH

#12 Aug 19, 2014
Wow! If you think of it, this case sound similar to the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman was also roughed up by Trayvon and was shot, once though, and now the news comes out that the cop was roughed up too. Only it took more shots to but that guy down.
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#13 Aug 19, 2014
Maple Resident wrote:
I'd have to agree with xxx on this one. If I had a gun and an unarmed 6'5" 280lb guy is coming towards me, staring me down and looking really pissed off at me, I'd most likely pull the trigger too. I'd probably first shoot him in one kneecap and if that didn't stop him, the other kneecap. If the guy's on PCP though the only way to stop him would be a head shot.
I heard there was a struggle between the cop and Brown when the cop tried getting Brown into the squad car. Brown struggled away from the cop and started running away, then turned and was coming back. That's how I heard it.
And how was the cop to know Brown didn't have a gun? With all the cop shootings by blacks in recent years, I could see how a cop would be a little edgy while confronting a black, especially if the black's 6'5" and 280.
This isn't a Hollywood movie. You aim at center mass. As best, some(not LE) might use the zipper technique where you strike center mass and work your way up. But aiming at limbs isn't part of any self-defense protocol with firearms.

But even if you did try being a marksman, you'd get charged for shooting an unarmed man at such a distance. Hopefully, your lawyer would get you off with about 10 years.

An able-bodied man can't shoot a person because he thinks he might lose a fight.
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#14 Aug 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
I have plenty of information for you:
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 10:00 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/break...
I may be able to do something outside of shooting a guy the size of Brown, but on the other hand, I'm at least his height and a black belt.
Even still, all the training in the world doesn't guarantee that you will be able to successfully defend yourself from an attacker that size. The officer stated that he suspected Brown as being under the influence. The autopsy report shows that he had pot in his system and the cigars he stole were renown for being used for blunts.
So what the officer had here was a huge guy possibly intox on something running at him like a train. He didn't stop for the first few non-lethal shots and kept on coming. This is on top of the fact the officer originally stopped him because he was walking in the middle of the street.
The officer suffered some injuries; how? Not known as of yet and it will take a few months for the full report.
But given the recent criminal activity of Brown, the injuries sustained by the officer, the fact the officer was with the police force over six years with a good record tells me that this officer had every right to gun down this thug. He was alone at the time protecting himself. Nothing wrong with that.
Has that report been confirmed. I'll wait to see if it has been.

If he did indeed suffer such an injury, why get out of the car? The guy is fleeing and isn't a threat to you(or anyone else) any longer.

Weed doesn't make most hostile, that's alcohol....

As for training, there are no guarantees either way. But if you engage the bigger person who is unarmed, deadly force better not be your first option.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#15 Aug 19, 2014
Mapleman wrote:
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This isn't a Hollywood movie. You aim at center mass. As best, some(not LE) might use the zipper technique where you strike center mass and work your way up. But aiming at limbs isn't part of any self-defense protocol with firearms.
But even if you did try being a marksman, you'd get charged for shooting an unarmed man at such a distance. Hopefully, your lawyer would get you off with about 10 years.
An able-bodied man can't shoot a person because he thinks he might lose a fight.
Fine, then show me a law that states the only time a person is allowed to use their firearm is when they are attacked by a person with a deadly weapon. To my knowledge, no such law exists in any of our states.

Once again, our law here in Ohio is: A licensed firearm carrier can use his or her weapon for self-defense if they believe they (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. That's the law.

Secondly, the distance of some of the shots were not determined by the autopsy. What was determined is that some of the shots happened not at close range meaning less than three feet.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#16 Aug 19, 2014
Mapleman wrote:
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Has that report been confirmed. I'll wait to see if it has been.
If he did indeed suffer such an injury, why get out of the car? The guy is fleeing and isn't a threat to you(or anyone else) any longer.
Weed doesn't make most hostile, that's alcohol....
As for training, there are no guarantees either way. But if you engage the bigger person who is unarmed, deadly force better not be your first option.
The officer didn't bother to ask Brown what he was high on, just noted that he was high which makes him unpredictable.

Secondly, according to a witness, Brown charged at the officer, turned around to run away which caused the officer to give chase. At some point shortly after, Brown decided to turn around again and run at the officer. After the officer had words with Brown about walking in the street, he heard the call of the robbery at the convenient store and took note of the box his friend was carrying.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#17 Aug 19, 2014
Maple Resident wrote:
Wow! If you think of it, this case sound similar to the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman was also roughed up by Trayvon and was shot, once though, and now the news comes out that the cop was roughed up too. Only it took more shots to but that guy down.
These two cases have many similarities.

As we now know, the MSM played this up to make the subject into a harmless victim. We now know that's not true. Racist Holder sent over 40 FBI agents to MO to try and find a racist motive just like he did with Trayvon Martin before anything was ever known even though this was a local event.

Racist Holder wanted to incite riots just like he did in the Trayvon Martin case. In Martin's case, his minions spent our tax dollars to hold rallies against Zimmerman which could have easily sparked into race riots. In this situation, he pressured the local police to not show the media this video of this criminal robbing the convenient store. There can only be one reason for his request: to have the rioters increase in size and violence. Racist Holder is a 70's radical that loves riots.

Then of course the "unarmed child" thing comes to play. The media has constantly referred to this criminal as a "teen" instead of an adult leaving the uninformed people the impression that this was a harmless kid.

Like Trayvon Martin, look for them to put charges against this officer even though he did nothing wrong. This is what Black America is doing to our country.
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#18 Aug 20, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Fine, then show me a law that states the only time a person is allowed to use their firearm is when they are attacked by a person with a deadly weapon. To my knowledge, no such law exists in any of our states.

Once again, our law here in Ohio is: A licensed firearm carrier can use his or her weapon for self-defense if they believe they (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. That's the law.

Secondly, the distance of some of the shots were not determined by the autopsy. What was determined is that some of the shots happened not at close range meaning less than three feet.
Please, the prosecutor will throw you under the bus if you shoot an unarmed man who is charging at you. If they didn't, anyone who is about to get into a fight will be shooting people saying they felt they were in serious danger.

They usually let cops get away with the crap, but not citizens. The DA would make an example out of you so fast your head would spin. In fact, you'd probably be arrested on the spot.

Anyone stupid enough to do what you suggest better say they thought they saw a weapon. They better not be dumb enough to say they shot simply because an unarmed man was charging at them.

Funny, they were tussling for the gun in the car when it supposedly went off. But Brown didn't have any residue on his bare hands or arms.
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#19 Aug 20, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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The officer didn't bother to ask Brown what he was high on, just noted that he was high which makes him unpredictable.
Secondly, according to a witness, Brown charged at the officer, turned around to run away which caused the officer to give chase. At some point shortly after, Brown decided to turn around again and run at the officer. After the officer had words with Brown about walking in the street, he heard the call of the robbery at the convenient store and took note of the box his friend was carrying.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
Again, an unarmed man charging at an officer trained in self-defense doesn't justify lethal force. If the man had a knife, use lethal force. A bat, lethal force. A brick, lethal force. Bare hands, no.

Officer is done. Just as you would be in a similar situation. You have to have a reasonable fear. Trained individuals don't have the same right to a reasonable fear as untrained individuals.

Any good prosecutor would eat the cop alive on the stand. "Are you not physically trained to defend yourself?" "Did you not learn how to deal with larger opponents while doing self-defense training?" These are questions that you can't ask most people and have them answer yes to.

Mike Brown may have got himself killed, but that doesn't mean his death is justifiable. Can't have cops or citizens running around emptying clips into unarmed people who are 25 feet away from them.
Mapleman

Maple Heights, OH

#20 Aug 20, 2014
Maple Resident wrote:
Wow! If you think of it, this case sound similar to the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman was also roughed up by Trayvon and was shot, once though, and now the news comes out that the cop was roughed up too. Only it took more shots to but that guy down.
Cop wasn't roughed up. Best believe that information would have been released by the police department to help justify the officer's actions.

Also, there wasn't any gun powder residue on Brown. There goes the claim part of his body was inside the car when the gun went off. LOL He'd have that shat on his hands and arms.

Also, Zimmerman was actually being attacked when he shot once. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. Had Zimmerman shot Trayvon has Trayvon approached, Zimmerman would be doing life and would have been arrested on the spot.

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