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Police Blotter: Jehovah's Witnesses Told They are Indeed Solicitors

There are 743 comments on the Patch.com story from Oct 1, 2011, titled Police Blotter: Jehovah's Witnesses Told They are Indeed Solicitors. In it, Patch.com reports that:

A Parker Drive woman called police at 10:19 a.m. Sept. 22 that Jehovah's Witnesses would not honor her "no soliciting" sign.

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Since: Feb 07

RI

#585 Nov 15, 2013
How I See It wrote:
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Another stupid argument. My taxes go up every year to support schools that produce more and more illiterate children. By the way, my children home schooled and are far better that the garbage coming out of public schools these days. Guess what? I still had to pay my school taxes even though they didn't go. Did I support your kids and was I made to pay for their teachers so they could be indoctrinated? Did you ever pay taxes? Once again you miss the point that EVERYTHING run or done by the government, federal, state, county, or town is because of the money every one of them steals from the wallets of those who WORK. Get a clue. Or do you think everything is free? If you never had a job or paid fees, taxes or were not nickel and dimed to death, you probably think it is free. Get a clue.
You speak of schools producing illiterate children and then proceed to misspell words, use bad grammar, sentence structure and punctuation. I feel sorry for your children being home-schooled by an obviously ill-equipped teacher such as yourself.

And you're still nattering on about taxes when the questions asked of you were concerning your claim that YOU do not and will not accept any sort of aid from the government.

I work. I pay taxes, and I DO take advantage of things MY taxes pay for. Unless you live out in the wilderness where there are no roads, no electricity, no city water, no supermarkets and live as a subsistence homesteader (which you obviously do not, since you are at a computer on the internet and claim to work at a job (which seems highly doubtful, but we'll let that pass)) you DO take advantage of services the government provides YOU with MY taxes.

MY taxes also go towards YOUR "rights" to religious freedom, which you, as a JW, do not feel need to be extended to any whom YOU consider to be unworthy.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#586 Nov 15, 2013
Dr SOS wrote:
<quoted text>Bwhahhahahahahhahahaha ha,
THEY CAN'T WIN THIS ARGUMENT.
WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT THEY NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO SURVIVE.
IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY BOAST ABOUT NOT BEING INVOLVED IN PAGAN HOLIDAYS YET THE CALENDER AND ALL THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE PAGAN AND EACH DAY IS NAMED AFTER A PAGAN ACTIVITY.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO?
USE NUMBERS TO NAME THE DAYS OF THE WEEK INSTEAD OF PAGAN NAME LIKE THURSDAY= THOR'S DAY?
ARE THEY GONNA STOP WEARING WEDDING RINGS?
I LOVE IT.
Of course they do, but they love to pretend to be superior and above it all and "free" from any connection to those Satanic worldly governments.

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#587 Nov 16, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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You speak of schools producing illiterate children and then proceed to misspell words, use bad grammar, sentence structure and punctuation. I feel sorry for your children being home-schooled by an obviously ill-equipped teacher such as yourself.
And you're still nattering on about taxes when the questions asked of you were concerning your claim that YOU do not and will not accept any sort of aid from the government.
I work. I pay taxes, and I DO take advantage of things MY taxes pay for. Unless you live out in the wilderness where there are no roads, no electricity, no city water, no supermarkets and live as a subsistence homesteader (which you obviously do not, since you are at a computer on the internet and claim to work at a job (which seems highly doubtful, but we'll let that pass)) you DO take advantage of services the government provides YOU with MY taxes.
MY taxes also go towards YOUR "rights" to religious freedom, which you, as a JW, do not feel need to be extended to any whom YOU consider to be unworthy.
You realize what a fool you show yourself to be, right?
Dr SOS

White Plains, NY

#588 Nov 16, 2013
How I See It wrote:
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You realize what a fool you show yourself to be, right?
Stop WITH YOUR AD HOMINEMS.

WE KNOW YOUR BUTTHURT BUT DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON US.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#589 Nov 16, 2013
How I See It wrote:
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You realize what a fool you show yourself to be, right?
LOL You show the world that you are barely literate, but boast about home schooling your children because the schools are so bad, and you call ME a "fool"? ROFL Seems that a nerve was quite handily struck.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#590 Nov 17, 2013
How I See It wrote:
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Typical response from those with nothing to back up their argument. Tell me how pledging your allegiance to a piece of cloth or corrupt government instead of God is pleasing to him. Get a clue.
First off, I am certain that you are not aware of how our Founding fathers developed our Constitution, all the Bill of rights and Laws. Every one of them were written based on scriptures from the bible. Our country was founded on absolute Godly principles and scripture. The flag is a symbol of our allegiance to protect, defend and honor the foundations of our country which revolved absolutely around the teachings of God and Christ. If you knew this, you would understand. You see you are taught that we give our allegiance to our country over God and we don't. A christians allegiance is to God and his teachings. God blessed this country in the beginning because it was a nation whose principles surrounded God. To say the pledge of allegiance is to vow to stand up for the Godly principles of the blessings which God has given. This is just one more lie you are taught about all other Non JW's. Christians don't put allegiance to country before allegiance to God.
The flag is simply a symbol of the freedoms which God bestowed upon a nation who was committed to worshiping him in its beginnings. Did you ever study American history? This is why America was founded. The people who came here were being persecuted for their religious beliefs. They came here to be able to worship freely.
Did you even know that?

Jesus states that we are to give God what is his and Ceaser what is his...

You are the one who needs to get a clue. You know nothing more than what is spoon fed to you through the magazines.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#591 Nov 17, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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Well, you're the one who claimed that you don't accept anything from the government...nothing...nada... zilch. Why do you think my questioning you about your obvious lie is "stupid"? I guess I hit a nerve, didn't I?
So, you claim that you work, but you intend to forgo collecting Social Security when you reach retirement age (and you most definitely will, despite your vain hope that you'll be munching on giant fruit and cavorting with the ancient worthies in paradise) and won't accept insurance through Medicare?
And you don't buy food from a supermarket? Interesting. You whine about having to pay taxes, but you choose not to take advantage of anything your taxes provide? Now THAT is stupid. Additionally, the topic wasn't about how taxes are collected and utilized, but your claim that you do not and will not accept ANYTHING from the government.
Your nattering away about this proves that you lied.
You are forced to give me money? Really? You own the company I work for? Or are you just whining again?
Very interesting. I have a JW brother and sister in law who both worked for the US Postal service for years. They are both living very comfortably on the US government retirement which they earned over 30 plus years of service to our Government. And my JW father gladly accepts and spends his Social security check every month.

He forgets Jesus' words about giving Ceaser what is Ceasers and Giving God what is God's. They ignore scriptures which they can't justify.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#592 Nov 17, 2013
beckyss wrote:
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Very interesting. I have a JW brother and sister in law who both worked for the US Postal service for years. They are both living very comfortably on the US government retirement which they earned over 30 plus years of service to our Government. And my JW father gladly accepts and spends his Social security check every month.
He forgets Jesus' words about giving Ceaser what is Ceasers and Giving God what is God's. They ignore scriptures which they can't justify.
The JW,s pay to caeser what is his--taxes--Jesus was speaking about. It is not improper to get social security--it is law--it doesn't break any of Gods laws.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#593 Nov 17, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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The JW,s pay to caeser what is his--taxes--Jesus was speaking about. It is not improper to get social security--it is law--it doesn't break any of Gods laws.
YOu are absolutely correct, it isn't improper to receive SS, especially if you have paid into it.. but it is improper to complain about the government and voluntarily refuse to show respect to the flag which is the symbol of the very blanket of freedom of which you live under and then turn around and earn your living off it, yet complain about how corrupt and vile it is. I would say that's a pretty bad double standard.
What stinks for me is that I am a teacher and did not start teaching until I was 37. I paid into SS for 21 years and because I will have a retirement plan, I won't get half of what I paid into it for 21 years. And I will literally have to work till I am almost 70 before I get enough in my retirement to retire on.
Now that is the government at its finest...(kidding) No government is perfect, but the one thing about our government which no man should complain about is the protection of our freedoms. But during these end times, I fear these too will dissipate, but this is what is supposed to happen in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

If it wasn't for our founding fathers and our the American Revolution War we fought for liberty, we would all be Catholic... now wouldn't that be something.:)
Have a good evening.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#594 Nov 17, 2013
How I See It wrote:
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Why would I go to another church when I know what most teach now and can clearly see what they teach those who go? Tell me, does your church celebrate Christmas and other holidays? Does your church encourage patriotism to a country or flag instead of your god? Do members of your church jump at the request of a man and go kill other people, perhaps even those who would be of the same religion? Do all of your members believe the same things? Are they in agreement on all things and if not, why not? Please explain the teachings of your church to me as I'm sure they are teachings of men and not those of scripture. I've not seen a single thing taught by Jehovah's organization that is in conflict with his word the bible and in fact, everything is reasoned on with scripture including new information. How about yours? Do they make changes as necessary as things come to light scripturally or are they stuck on their traditions? Please enlighten me.
Yes, my church celebrates some holidays. Christmas, we glorify God in the highest just as the Angels did the night Christ was born for the most important gift man has ever known. We celebrate Thanksgiving through glorifying God for a country and freedoms which allows us to worship freely. We celebrate Easter and glorify our Savior for the sacrifice He made which brings us the hope of eternal life in Heaven with God. We honor the brave veterans who sacrificed so freely their lives and family to preserve our freedoms as well as fight for the freedoms of others. We put nothing and no one before God the father, Christ the Son and the power of the HS.
You are sorely misinformed that to be patriotic means to put the flag and country before God. That is not what being patriotic means. It means supporting and standing up for the country who continuously assures that you and I have freedom through the Constitution. This is why we have the freedom to vote, so we can support people who supposedly work in our government in our best interest. This is the concept however messed up it is today, but this was the beginnings of our government heritage. Christians NEVER put country before God. Without God, we wouldn't have a country to be free in.

My church supports defending human rights in the name of Jesus Christ. The OT is full of wars which God ordained and whom he himself picked leaders to go out and destroy other nations. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8...There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven.....a time for war and a time for peace. Daniel 9:6 ....War will continue until the end and desolations have been decreed. War is scriptural. Our church believes it is up to each individual to decide if they are to serve in the military. If God calls them to serve, then they should go. Murder is the intentional, malicious taking of a life.
The United states has never gone to war without good cause. Either we have been attacked ourselves or have gone in the name of preserving the lives of innocent people. Such as WWI and the gulf war where we took down Saddam Hussein who was murdering innocent men, women and children for their religious beliefs and who was threatening nuclear capabilities. This is the way of nations.. Compromise for peace and he broke the compromise. War is ugly and people die just as they did in the OT, but as EC and DA scriptures state, there is a time for it as well and it will continue to the end of time.
Yes, all the members of the denomination are in agreement with the scriptural teachings and doctrines. If they weren't they wouldn't keep coming. The church I belong to is the Nazarene church. It is an evangelical church whose core teachings are those of obedience, Salvation through Faith in Christ, Holy living and service to others in the name of Jesus. I urge you to do research on other denominations outside of the WTS publications. You obviously have internet, use it to find the real truth about others.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#595 Nov 18, 2013
beckyss wrote:
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YOu are absolutely correct, it isn't improper to receive SS, especially if you have paid into it.. but it is improper to complain about the government and voluntarily refuse to show respect to the flag which is the symbol of the very blanket of freedom of which you live under and then turn around and earn your living off it, yet complain about how corrupt and vile it is. I would say that's a pretty bad double standard.
What stinks for me is that I am a teacher and did not start teaching until I was 37. I paid into SS for 21 years and because I will have a retirement plan, I won't get half of what I paid into it for 21 years. And I will literally have to work till I am almost 70 before I get enough in my retirement to retire on.
Now that is the government at its finest...(kidding) No government is perfect, but the one thing about our government which no man should complain about is the protection of our freedoms. But during these end times, I fear these too will dissipate, but this is what is supposed to happen in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.
If it wasn't for our founding fathers and our the American Revolution War we fought for liberty, we would all be Catholic... now wouldn't that be something.:)
Have a good evening.
Gods word teaches--govts who promise freedom are corrupt.(2 Peter 2:19) The JW leaders have gone to court many times to protect JW freedoms.
At rev 16-- satan misleads every kingdom on this earth( govt, armies, supporters) to stand in opposition to God at Harmageddon, with 3 inspired expressions. So while throughout this earth 99% are pledging allegiance to a flag-- they will be mislead to do just what rev 16 shows. The JW,s pledge allegiance to Gods kingdom and its king. The only ones who will win do just that-Daniel 2:44)
Satan offered to Jesus--every kingdom( govt,armies,supporters) on this earth--he could only do that if they were his( under his control) Not one single govt on this earth serves the true God.
Now in order to reopen the govt this last time--- cut down on helping the poor--give raises to the federal govt( already rich men) in January.
Dr SOS

White Plains, NY

#596 Nov 18, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
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The JW,s pay to caeser what is his--taxes--Jesus was speaking about. It is not improper to get social security--it is law--it doesn't break any of Gods laws.
No one said it is improper FOR JWS TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY,

WHAT IS MORALLY CORRUPT IS TO RECIEVE SOCIAL SECURITY WHILST AT THE SAME TIME CONDEMNING THE SOURCE OF THAT SOCIAL SECURITY.

WHICH WOULD BE THE GOVERNMENT,

IT'S MORALLY CORRUPT BECAUSE ITS EXTREME HYPOCRISY.

AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MAKE MISTAKES AND ACT LIKE A HYPOCRITE,
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT INTEGRATE HYPOCRISY INTO A BELIEF SYSTEM SUCH AS YOURS.

AND NO,

PAYING TAXES DOES NOT GIVE YOU FREE JUSTIFIED REIGN TO RECIEVE SOCIAL SECURITY.

RECIEVING SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PRIVILEGE WHETHER YOU PAY TAXES OR NOT.

THE GOVERNMENT COULD CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES.

NOW IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE LIVING AS AN EXTREME HYPOCRITE BY ALL MEANS THAT IS YOUR CHOICE,

BUT

YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE STIGMA OVER YOUR HEAD OF BEING A MORALLY CORRUPT PERSON.

AND THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE AWAY UNLESS YOU STOP BEING MORALLY CORRUPT.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#597 Nov 24, 2013
kjw51 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gods word teaches--govts who promise freedom are corrupt.(2 Peter 2:19) The JW leaders have gone to court many times to protect JW freedoms.
At rev 16-- satan misleads every kingdom on this earth( govt, armies, supporters) to stand in opposition to God at Harmageddon, with 3 inspired expressions. So while throughout this earth 99% are pledging allegiance to a flag-- they will be mislead to do just what rev 16 shows. The JW,s pledge allegiance to Gods kingdom and its king. The only ones who will win do just that-Daniel 2:44)
Satan offered to Jesus--every kingdom( govt,armies,supporters) on this earth--he could only do that if they were his( under his control) Not one single govt on this earth serves the true God.
Now in order to reopen the govt this last time--- cut down on helping the poor--give raises to the federal govt( already rich men) in January.
You are obviously being taught lies about other denominations. I know of NO denomination who pledges allegiance to the flag and country OVER GOD. A true Christian professes allegiance to God and his teachings and puts God and his teachings first before any flag.
Let me ask you this. Twice a year, in the ST. Louis metropolitan area where I live, thousands of people from this metropolitan bi state area line the streets in protest of abortion and the governments role in supporting the abortion rights. And guess what, it is ALL churches who are doing the protests with the exception of the local kingdom halls. Why is that? Church after church after church take on our legislators locally and nationally to protest our rights for religious freedoms and religious preservation in government institutions. Why aren't the JW's joining these protests against our government in support of maintaining the values of God? The JW's don't want to associate in any way with other denominations. They would rather go to court independently than join publicly to try and uphold Godly values.
So please don't try to tell me or anyone else on here that we give our allegiance to country and flag ahead of God. This is an outright lie taught to the narrow minded blind followers of the WT cult. Yea, I'm a little irritated. I get so tired of the JW's coming up with all these lies about us and what we do and think. You people are so brainwashed.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#598 Nov 25, 2013
Dr SOS wrote:
<quoted text>No one said it is improper FOR JWS TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY,
WHAT IS MORALLY CORRUPT IS TO RECIEVE SOCIAL SECURITY WHILST AT THE SAME TIME CONDEMNING THE SOURCE OF THAT SOCIAL SECURITY.
WHICH WOULD BE THE GOVERNMENT,
IT'S MORALLY CORRUPT BECAUSE ITS EXTREME HYPOCRISY.
AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MAKE MISTAKES AND ACT LIKE A HYPOCRITE,
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT INTEGRATE HYPOCRISY INTO A BELIEF SYSTEM SUCH AS YOURS.
AND NO,
PAYING TAXES DOES NOT GIVE YOU FREE JUSTIFIED REIGN TO RECIEVE SOCIAL SECURITY.
RECIEVING SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PRIVILEGE WHETHER YOU PAY TAXES OR NOT.
THE GOVERNMENT COULD CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE LIVING AS AN EXTREME HYPOCRITE BY ALL MEANS THAT IS YOUR CHOICE,
BUT
YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE STIGMA OVER YOUR HEAD OF BEING A MORALLY CORRUPT PERSON.
AND THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE AWAY UNLESS YOU STOP BEING MORALLY CORRUPT.
To me social security isn't a big deal, esp. for jw's who paid into it all their lives and become retired, and since they gave all their child's inheritance to the watchtower, social security is all they have to live on.

What is hypocricy of the highest order is jw's who will take 99 weeks of unemployment and will not search for a job, but instead will pioneer, then once the unemployment runs out will get themselves an EBT card so they can continue to go out in service and tell everyone how satan the devil is ruler over the united states government who is at the same time giving them free money so they can eat....doesn't look like jehovahs government is able to handle that.

I liken jw's to ultra conservative tea baggers that are on Medicaid yelling at the government to stay away from their health insurance and social security. It's actually a bit funny.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#599 Nov 25, 2013
Matt9969 wrote:
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To me social security isn't a big deal, esp. for jw's who paid into it all their lives and become retired, and since they gave all their child's inheritance to the watchtower, social security is all they have to live on.
What is hypocricy of the highest order is jw's who will take 99 weeks of unemployment and will not search for a job, but instead will pioneer, then once the unemployment runs out will get themselves an EBT card so they can continue to go out in service and tell everyone how satan the devil is ruler over the united states government who is at the same time giving them free money so they can eat....doesn't look like jehovahs government is able to handle that.
I liken jw's to ultra conservative tea baggers that are on Medicaid yelling at the government to stay away from their health insurance and social security. It's actually a bit funny.
In my home congregation, there were several women who went on welfare so that they could spend more time in service.

One woman, prior to joining the JWs, was working at the same company where my mother had a part-time job. She was supporting herself and her son...UNTIL...she became a JW and several of the other "welfare" mothers talked to her and told her that she ought to go on welfare so that she could spend more time in service and be with her son.

So, she immediately quit her job, got on welfare, and sucked benefits from the "evil" government.
Dr SOS

White Plains, NY

#600 Nov 25, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
<quoted text>
In my home congregation, there were several women who went on welfare so that they could spend more time in service.
One woman, prior to joining the JWs, was working at the same company where my mother had a part-time job. She was supporting herself and her son...UNTIL...she became a JW and several of the other "welfare" mothers talked to her and told her that she ought to go on welfare so that she could spend more time in service and be with her son.
So, she immediately quit her job, got on welfare, and sucked benefits from the "evil" government.
Right,

AND THE LOOPHOLE AND REASONING THE JW WILL USE IS THAT THEY ARE "IN THE WORLD" BUT "NO PART OF THE WORLD".

SO TO THEM BEING ONLY "IN THE WORLD" ALLOWS THEM TO PRACTICE THAT BLATANT HYPOCRISY.

IN ADDITION BEING THAT JEHOVAH SUPPORTS THEM THEY ARE FREE TO TAKE AT WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY TO SURVIVE "IN THIS SYSTEM OF THINGS" WITH JEHOVAHS APPROVAL AND PERMISSION REGARDLESS OF HOW HYPOCRITICAL AND MORALLY CORRUPT THEIR ACTIONS ARE.

WHEN ONE BELIEVES THAT GOD SUPPORTS THEM ITS ALL FREE GAME AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS THEIR CAUSE AND DOES NOT HARM THEIR CAUSE.

THE AMISH FOLLOW THE BIBLE IN A MORE STRICTER FASHION THAN THEM IN THIS REGARD.

THE AMISH FOR THE MOST PART TOTALLY RELY ON THEMSELVES AND EACH OTHER FOR SURVIVAL.
Volcano God Analyst

United States

#601 Nov 25, 2013
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, I am certain that you are not aware of how our Founding fathers developed our Constitution, all the Bill of rights and Laws. Every one of them were written based on scriptures from the bible. Our country was founded on absolute Godly principles and scripture. The flag is a symbol of our allegiance to protect, defend and honor the foundations of our country which revolved absolutely around the teachings of God and Christ. If you knew this, you would understand. You see you are taught that we give our allegiance to our country over God and we don't. A christians allegiance is to God and his teachings. God blessed this country in the beginning because it was a nation whose principles surrounded God. To say the pledge of allegiance is to vow to stand up for the Godly principles of the blessings which God has given. This is just one more lie you are taught about all other Non JW's. Christians don't put allegiance to country before allegiance to God.
The flag is simply a symbol of the freedoms which God bestowed upon a nation who was committed to worshiping him in its beginnings. Did you ever study American history? This is why America was founded. The people who came here were being persecuted for their religious beliefs. They came here to be able to worship freely.
Did you even know that?
Jesus states that we are to give God what is his and Ceaser what is his...
You are the one who needs to get a clue. You know nothing more than what is spoon fed to you through the magazines.
The United States Constitution was carefully designed to prevent the problem of church and state co-mingling. The founding fathers knew only too well the horrors that theocracy has caused in the past.

Almost all of the founding fathers of the United States were Deists. Christians were in the minority. But all of them, Deists and Christians alike, agreed on the importance of the separation of church and state.( you may have them confused with the witch burners further north who landed on Plymouth rock )

And could you please show me where in the bible you can find the phrase:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

The constitution of the United States was not based on the bible. In fact it contradicts the interpretation of the message of Jesus that most people hold today. There are some Christians that even go so far as to say democracy is from Satan.

Reading your posts I gather you are Christian. Almost all of Christianity today is set up as a patriarchal hierarchy. It's been this way for centuries.

There is a big difference between mainstream Christianity and the structure of the government of the United States of America.

The United States of America is set up on the premise that all of us are created equal with equal rights, the precise opposite of a patriarchal hierarchy.

Ironically, the danger we are facing today is the many fundamentalist Christian organizations subverting democracy with their block voting power in order to prevent any scientific or social progress that is against their religions. Some of these religious are actively engaged in striving to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a theocracy of their own design.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#602 Nov 25, 2013
Volcano God Analyst wrote:
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The United States Constitution was carefully designed to prevent the problem of church and state co-mingling. The founding fathers knew only too well the horrors that theocracy has caused in the past.
Almost all of the founding fathers of the United States were Deists. Christians were in the minority. But all of them, Deists and Christians alike, agreed on the importance of the separation of church and state.( you may have them confused with the witch burners further north who landed on Plymouth rock )
And could you please show me where in the bible you can find the phrase:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
The constitution of the United States was not based on the bible. In fact it contradicts the interpretation of the message of Jesus that most people hold today. There are some Christians that even go so far as to say democracy is from Satan.
Reading your posts I gather you are Christian. Almost all of Christianity today is set up as a patriarchal hierarchy. It's been this way for centuries.
There is a big difference between mainstream Christianity and the structure of the government of the United States of America.
The United States of America is set up on the premise that all of us are created equal with equal rights, the precise opposite of a patriarchal hierarchy.
Ironically, the danger we are facing today is the many fundamentalist Christian organizations subverting democracy with their block voting power in order to prevent any scientific or social progress that is against their religions. Some of these religious are actively engaged in striving to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a theocracy of their own design.
Have you ever read "The Handmaid's Tale"? It is a work of fiction that describes life in a future fundamentalist theocracy after the US government is taken over by the fundamentalist Christians.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#603 Nov 25, 2013
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
You are obviously being taught lies about other denominations. I know of NO denomination who pledges allegiance to the flag and country OVER GOD. A true Christian professes allegiance to God and his teachings and puts God and his teachings first before any flag.
Let me ask you this. Twice a year, in the ST. Louis metropolitan area where I live, thousands of people from this metropolitan bi state area line the streets in protest of abortion and the governments role in supporting the abortion rights. And guess what, it is ALL churches who are doing the protests with the exception of the local kingdom halls. Why is that? Church after church after church take on our legislators locally and nationally to protest our rights for religious freedoms and religious preservation in government institutions. Why aren't the JW's joining these protests against our government in support of maintaining the values of God? The JW's don't want to associate in any way with other denominations. They would rather go to court independently than join publicly to try and uphold Godly values.
So please don't try to tell me or anyone else on here that we give our allegiance to country and flag ahead of God. This is an outright lie taught to the narrow minded blind followers of the WT cult. Yea, I'm a little irritated. I get so tired of the JW's coming up with all these lies about us and what we do and think. You people are so brainwashed.
'
One cannot serve two masters.
Protests = And the sea became agitated--- followers of Jesus aren't protesters.
Your solution is to become part of that world---friendship with the world is enmity with God( one becomes Gods enemy)
There is one God--YHWH(Jehovah) and Jesus taught one must seek his( Jehovah) righteousness first--- trinity religions teach to seek Jesus righteousness first--they do not listen to Jesus. time will clearly show who is brainwashed.
Volcano God Analyst

Oakland, CA

#604 Nov 25, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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Have you ever read "The Handmaid's Tale"? It is a work of fiction that describes life in a future fundamentalist theocracy after the US government is taken over by the fundamentalist Christians.
No, I haven't. I don't read to much fiction anymore but it does sound like an interesting novel. Perhaps I will put it on my to read list. Thanks!

Have you heard of the Whitehorse prophecy?

There are a lot of fundamentalist groups that would like a fundamentalist theocracy and some of these groups are actively involved in trying to make it a reality.

People laughed at the notion that a few radicals could take over a nation once before and Hitler ended up destroying a good portion of Europe before he was stopped.

Let's hope the novel you read isn't prophetic!

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