Tom Dooher: Yes, evaluate teachers. B...

Tom Dooher: Yes, evaluate teachers. But let's be smart about it.

There are 54 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 26, 2011, titled Tom Dooher: Yes, evaluate teachers. But let's be smart about it.. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

It may surprise many Minnesotans to learn that some teachers go years without an evaluation.

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KTK

Saint Paul, MN

#21 Mar 27, 2011
KTK wrote:
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I don't think teachers sole problem either. I don't think I said that, and you have outlined many reasons why teaching is so difficult - lack of parent involvement is a HUGE one. When parents are involved, kids succeed. But, I've seen creative, high energy, engaging teachers do amazing things with kids from impoverished backgrounds and little parent involvement so it can be done. These teachers should be paid well. I simply think tenure breeds apathy in SOME teachers, not all, but some. If they are doing their job well, they'll be secure.
Lots of typos in this post. Sorry. My fingers are working faster than my brain. You get the idea.
According to Dooher

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Mar 27, 2011
all teachers are educated to the highest level and deserve the same pay.

So why does it matter which teacher you have teaching your kids?
America Adrift

United States

#23 Mar 27, 2011
KTK wrote:
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Lots of typos in this post. Sorry. My fingers are working faster than my brain. You get the idea.
I don't disagree that some teachers get apathetic and stop trying, or that some teachers have a way of doing the impossible - reaching the poor kid whose parents don't care. My problem is this: everytime something is not working in public education we either cut funding, give funding, or fire teachers. Sometimes these strategies work in some places, and sometimes they don't. But ovrall, in their totality, none of these 3 strategies has helped the majority of poor people. At some point, from a policy perspective, we need to dig deeper by acknowledging that this problem is not going to be fixed by implementing the same common solutions. We're going to have to do more in order for children to do better. Until we get to that point, in my opinion, we're just spinning our wheels for the next 20 -30 years, and applying a bandage that will eventually fall off down the road.
Underpaid babysitter

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Mar 28, 2011
Bob the Bilderberger wrote:
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Let each teacher negotiate their salary with the district hiring manager based on their accomplishments and years of experience, like everybody else in the labor market does it.
This will cost the the public more than the current system. Teachers will finally be paid what they are worth. We will not have the unions holding our salaries back. Teachers in high profile subjects will be paid better than those that teach electives. Teachers will receive bonuses for students who perform at high levels. Teacher will now be paid overtime for all their work outside of the school day. Teacher will now get more than 20 minutes for lunch. Need I continue..........

Now lets create parental requirements for all parents who want to sent their children to school. Any parent who can not meet the requirements forfeits their right to speak. If parents given a test to see if they can parent effectively, we would not have problems in education because most of them would not have been allowed to have children.
Tom Do Her

Monroe, LA

#25 Mar 28, 2011
Why can't teachers who have been chronically absent from work be the first to go? Or the ones who have been convicted of crimes? Or the ones who are languishing—with full pay and benefits—in some "reserve pool" because no school will hire them? Education Secretary Arne Duncan recently said that "last in, first out" policies hit low-income kids hardest because the poor are more likely to attend schools where teachers have less seniority.

Former AFL-CIO President George Meany, for example, said that "it is impossible to bargain collectively with the government." And Franklin Roosevelt said that "all government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining cannot be transplanted into the public service" because "it has distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management."

The real strength of the AFT, NEA and their state and local affiliates lies in their ability to obstruct. They have been particularly effective at blocking poor people from leaving bad public schools. They offer financial and logistical support to political candidates sympathetic to their agenda of curbing educational options, and they punish elected officials who don't stay the course.

Teachers unions agitate for laws and regulations that ban means-tested voucher programs or cap the number of charter schools that can open in a state. To protect jobs for their members, they fight to keep the worst instructors from being fired and the worst schools from closing. All the while, they insist that their interests are aligned with those of the kids.
Common Sense

Shakopee, MN

#26 Mar 28, 2011
Tom Do Her wrote:
Why can't teachers who have been chronically absent from work be the first to go? Or the ones who have been convicted of crimes? Or the ones who are languishing—with full pay and benefits—in some "reserve pool" because no school will hire them? Education Secretary Arne Duncan recently said that "last in, first out" policies hit low-income kids hardest because the poor are more likely to attend schools where teachers have less seniority.
Former AFL-CIO President George Meany, for example, said that "it is impossible to bargain collectively with the government." And Franklin Roosevelt said that "all government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining cannot be transplanted into the public service" because "it has distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management."
The real strength of the AFT, NEA and their state and local affiliates lies in their ability to obstruct. They have been particularly effective at blocking poor people from leaving bad public schools. They offer financial and logistical support to political candidates sympathetic to their agenda of curbing educational options, and they punish elected officials who don't stay the course.
Teachers unions agitate for laws and regulations that ban means-tested voucher programs or cap the number of charter schools that can open in a state. To protect jobs for their members, they fight to keep the worst instructors from being fired and the worst schools from closing. All the while, they insist that their interests are aligned with those of the kids.
Well put, succinct, eloquent and persuasive. I agree. People need to stop putting teachers on a pedestal of words, but hold them to a standard.
Common Sense

Shakopee, MN

#27 Mar 28, 2011
oops, I forgot cogent!!
Adam

Blue Bell, PA

#28 Mar 28, 2011
Wolverines wrote:
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Amazing how the private schools teachers educate and teach without being in a union, how could that possibly happen.
The administration is held accountable by the parents who actually pay for their kid's education. This tends to cut through a whole bunch of BS.
public servant

Saint Paul, MN

#29 Mar 28, 2011
Adam wrote:
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The administration is held accountable by the parents who actually pay for their kid's education. This tends to cut through a whole bunch of BS.
Those parents and students also sign a code of conduct that allows the school to have them removed from the school and sent back to the public school for inappropriate behaviors. I have had many of my students apply to private schools but were not accepted because of their discipline records in junior high.
LeDumbo

Saint Paul, MN

#30 Mar 28, 2011
public servant wrote:
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Those parents and students also sign a code of conduct that allows the school to have them removed from the school and sent back to the public school for inappropriate behaviors. I have had many of my students apply to private schools but were not accepted because of their discipline records in junior high.
Then if there is a need, a tough private school will emerge. If the parents with those kids want education for them, they will sign the documents. The public school disciplinary problem is also a liberal failing in the schools.
Adam

Blue Bell, PA

#31 Mar 28, 2011
KTK wrote:
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...The first thing that needs to happen is the legislature has to level the playing field so every district has the resources to attract quality...
I would agree if the above statement read like:

The first thing that needs to happen is the legislature has to level the playing field so every district has the resources to attract quality students and parents.

That is really the issue we are all dancing around here.
correction monkey

Andover, MN

#32 Mar 28, 2011
Underpaid babysitter wrote:
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This will cost the the public more than the current system. Teachers will finally be paid what they are worth. We will not have the unions holding our salaries back. Teachers in high profile subjects will be paid better than those that teach electives. Teachers will receive bonuses for students who perform at high levels. Teacher will now be paid overtime for all their work outside of the school day. Teacher will now get more than 20 minutes for lunch. Need I continue..........
Now lets create parental requirements for all parents who want to sent their children to school. Any parent who can not meet the requirements forfeits their right to speak. If parents given a test to see if they can parent effectively, we would not have problems in education because most of them would not have been allowed to have children.
Amen
public servant

Saint Paul, MN

#33 Mar 28, 2011
LeDumbo wrote:
<quoted text>Then if there is a need, a tough private school will emerge. If the parents with those kids want education for them, they will sign the documents. The public school disciplinary problem is also a liberal failing in the schools.
You are correct, the "liberal school system" has taken the power to teach away from the teachers and given the students the power to do what ever they want.
tom do her

Monroe, LA

#34 Mar 28, 2011
Obama says too much testing makes education boring

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Monday that students should take fewer standardized tests and school performance should be measured in other ways. Too much testing makes education boring for kids, he said.

"Too often what we have been doing is using these tests to punish students," the president told students and parents at a town hall hosted by the Univision Spanish-language television network at Bell Multicultural High School in Washington, D.C.
Obama, who is pushing a rewrite of the nation's education law that would ease some of its rigid measurement tools, said policymakers should find a test that "everybody agrees makes sense" and administer it in less pressure-packed atmospheres, potentially every few years instead of annually.
At the same time, Obama said, schools should be judged on criteria other than student test performance, including attendance rate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_...

Slackers never want to be measured.
jw in the grove

Saint Paul, MN

#35 Mar 28, 2011
raise your hand tom doher.
Brown Shirt Archie

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#36 Mar 28, 2011
Bob Herbert’s Last NYT Column: America Has ‘Lost Its Way Entirely’

by Ken Layne
1:50 am March 26, 2011

America’s last half-assed attempt at a serious newspaper, the New York Times, is rapidly losing the last of its serious op-ed writers. Bob Herbert is the latest to say goodbye, and his final column is devastating. It starts like this:“So here we are pouring shiploads of cash into yet another war, this time in Libya, while simultaneously demolishing school budgets, closing libraries, laying off teachers and police officers, and generally letting the bottom fall out of the quality of life here at home.” Haha, and then it gets depressing. But it’s good to see somebody in the NYT taking on the actual monsters in our nation — our horrific income inequality, the Obama Administration’s perfidy in letting G.E. chief executive Jeffrey Immelt run the White House’s “Council on Jobs and Competitiveness” even as G.E. refuses to pay a nickel in corporate tax, statehouse wars against public-service employees, congressional wars against women and Muslims and the poor, etc.

Bob Herbert’s farewell:

The U.S. has not just misplaced its priorities. When the most powerful country ever to inhabit the earth finds it so easy to plunge into the horror of warfare but almost impossible to find adequate work for its people or to properly educate its young, it has lost its way entirely ….

There is plenty of economic activity in the U.S., and plenty of wealth. But like greedy children, the folks at the top are seizing virtually all the marbles. Income and wealth inequality in the U.S. have reached stages that would make the third world blush. As the Economic Policy Institute has reported, the richest 10 percent of Americans received an unconscionable 100 percent of the average income growth in the years 2000 to 2007, the most recent extended period of economic expansion.

Wow, why is everybody going all communist all the sudden? Oh right, because it’s time for Total Revolution. Anyway, good luck, Bob! Good luck, America

Since: Jan 11

Andover, MN

#38 Mar 28, 2011
Another unemployed alligator mouth and a subsudised hummingbird azz.

hey Comrades, Soros didn't tell ewe but revolutions are a lot of work, It can sometimes take years,You have to get up early every day to dig in garbage cans for breakfast, And with your azz sticking out of a garbage can someone might just "Unload some Birdshot in your ragged pants.

Then If hell freezes over and the aimless lazy atheist left does win, Your reward for turning on your own country will be a quick death by orders of your new master. Remember your new Master Soros is GOD.

So quit talking like a fool and hope to god you never do see a revolution, Che' is nothing but a murdering communist a**hole. The hippie generation see's his butchery as romantic. Today Che'has reached room temperature and the world is better off.

No more hiding out in the "SAFE middle, there are no more choices of where to swear your alligence, One side or the other comrade.
Le Jumbo Soros

Surprise, AZ

#40 Mar 28, 2011
monet wrote:
Republicans getting scared about Wisconsin recall
Fox News is sounding the alarm bells in Wisconsin:
Their fear is well-grounded. For example, some local organizers are now saying they have surpassed the number of recall petition signatures required against Rpublican state Senator Randy Hopper's district:
Efforts to recall Republican State Senator Randy Hopper from Fon du Lac have reached another milestone, as organizers issue a call for volunteers to turn in any remaining petitions to be counted. Organizer Scott Dillman says he's sure they have enough signatures to trigger the recall, but he can't give exact figures yet. He says, processing all the information they've collected so far will take a week.
Meanwhile, your ad campaign against Randy Hopper is now live. Since 7 am, central time, Monday morning, it has recorded over 400,000 impressions in Randy Hopper's district. There are only 175,000 people in Randy Hopper's district. It will run until Monday, April 4th.
We've got a full-service range of ways to contribute to the recall effort at Orange to Blue now. Please, chip in $5 to help out: http://www.actblue.com/page/orangetoblue2012...
Wow!!!!! 56posts in less than an hour!!! Le Jumbo ,you have outdone yourself. The check is in the mail, my Son. Be sure to give the PP Topix monitor his cut, for his generous attitude will not be forgotten
LeJumbo Soros

Surprise, AZ

#42 Mar 28, 2011
Ditch The Bitch wrote:
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Contact your moderator if you are tired of the wench Monet/Bruin/Seeker/Megyn/Capt Crunch/Sisyphus/Big Ellyfink and a hundred other names destroying the forums with her repeated posting of the same text dozens of times, her abusive name calling, and her ten thousand George Soros posts regardless of the topix, and her continual hijacking of other's monikers.
Oh Me, Boss, de pain, de pain! Looks like the Master cut and Paster is feeling a little pain. Le Jumbo brags that he has an in with the moderator, or that HE is the moderator, and sqeals in agfony when a taste of his own medicine is dished up to him. Bwwwaaahhaaahahah.
Ditch the Bitch

Minneapolis, MN

#43 Mar 28, 2011
LeJumbo Soros wrote:
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Oh Me, Boss, de pain, de pain! Looks like the Master cut and Paster is feeling a little pain. Le Jumbo brags that he has an in with the moderator, or that HE is the moderator, and sqeals in agfony when a taste of his own medicine is dished up to him. Bwwwaaahhaaahahah.
Contact your moderator if you are tired of the wench Monet/Bruin/Seeker/Megyn/Capt Crunch/Sisyphus/Big Ellyfink and a hundred other names destroying the forums with her repeated posting of the same text dozens of times, her abusive name calling, and her ten thousand George Soros posts regardless of the topix, and her continual hijacking of other's monikers.

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