Continuum proposal to take over St. Vincent's would close Village hospital

Jan 26, 2010 | Posted by: Mr_Bill | Full story: www.nypost.com

Sale could doom legendary Village hosp

A rival, powerhouse medical group has proposed taking over and shuttering the 160-year-old St. Vincent's Medical Center in Greenwich Village, which would spell the end of the city's only remaining Catholic hospital, The Post has learned.

Continuum Health Partners -- which operates Beth Israel, St. Luke's and Roosevelt hospitals in Manhattan -- has submitted a plan to assume control of the financially struggling, 727-bed St. Vincent's, sources said. The new corporate operator would "close all acute care" units -- such as inpatient beds and surgical services -- within 60 to 90 days, according to a source involved in the discussions.

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bill_mr! colts vs. Saints Super-Ball! u pick?:)
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One more great landmark in NYC,victum to change.
it has been a great hospitial...the Greenwich Village people will miss it...
does Super-Ball in FL??????:) u brink da wisso foo bill_mr! ok:-o

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We don't need theocrats running things, particularly when the upper levels of the RCC's hierarchy are unrepentant bigots.
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Jan 26, 2010
 
We have seen what the Contraction of Industries and Services has done to our pocketbooks and in the cost of Drugs, Health Insurance and associated supporting businesses. There was a time in this Country when you had to beat your competition.... now You buy them and close them down thereby contracting those who supply a service allowing for higher prices and the maximization of profits.
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We have seen what the Contraction of Industries and Services has done to our pocketbooks and in the cost of Drugs, Health Insurance and associated supporting businesses. There was a time in this Country when you had to beat your competition.... now You buy them and close them down thereby contracting those who supply a service allowing for higher prices and the maximization of profits.
You may look back on these as the least of your concerns now that deep pockets are on the brink of confounding reform.
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writewingproxycontin wrote:
We don't need theocrats running things, particularly when the upper levels of the RCC's hierarchy are unrepentant bigots.
A queer deciding who should repent! Your a pill

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THE WOODCHUCK wrote:
One more great landmark in NYC,victum to change.
it has been a great hospitial...the Greenwich Village people will miss it...
1849 - 2010
Not change.

St Vincents is a victim of taking care of its neighborhood. The continuing population of AIDS patients; most without any or adequate insurance is what killed Vinnie.
Notable, in the statement of 'the consortium' who will put St Vincents down, is this: they will "...close all acute care units..." which means AIDS clinics. These AIDS patients won't float away, they will end up at other hospiitals, further draining them and inevitable killing more hospitals.

St Vincents was founded by the Sisters of Charity (some of whom educated me) in 1849.


Saint Vincents Catholic Medical Center in Greenwich Village is dying because of the present day health care financing system, or more precicely, the lack of one. Saint Vincents went down following its mission:

Mission Statement
Saint Vincent Catholic Medical Centers is committed to reflecting God's love by advancing Christ's healing ministry, with Respect, Integrity, Compassion and Excellence to all who come to us in need, especially the poor.

Our Values
Respect: The basic dignity of the human person is the guiding principal in all our interactions, policies and procedures.

Integrity: Integrity is the consistency between the Catholic identity we profess and the ways in which we act it is that quality of truthfulness, which fosters trust.

Compassion: Compassion is the way we share deep concern, love and care toward each person.

Excellence: Excellence is our way of demonstrating that we can always be more, always be better

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All of New York, all of America, will miss St. Vincents; another victim of present day greed, intransigence, and political posturing.

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We don't need theocrats running things, particularly when the upper levels of the RCC's hierarchy are unrepentant bigots.
St Vincents is out of the Hierarchy. The Sisters of Charity are anything but bigots. Do not confuse yourself with high and mighty puffery.
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wow- NY vs PA?:)
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yea!!..No. 1 in Fla....whats the odds in Hanoi??
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/44
i c no bowl? trophy or ball?:) can U go piss in the bowl for me please?:-ooooooooooh, thx in advaces.

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Thanx bill, well said...and true....many years ago I brought a new born with a terrible problem there...the compassion,feelings and care ,the hallmark of this Catholic hospital is still with our family today.
You may recall Dr. Dr. Vincent Fontana, a national voice for abused and neglected children....I knew him at St. Vincents..he defined the word "Compassinotate'...with us no longer,however his work goes on...
The then young nursing staff were most compassionate of all.I do know as they spread in the health care world ,these then young women will have brought that training to all ..Of course I'm thinking many years ago!
When the scourge of AIDS hit years ago,impacting the "Village",St. Vincents opened their doors,their compassion,their hearts to this most cruel of human afflictions...others then stigmatized this horror as those they got what they deserved thing..not at St. Vincents.
It was my families hospital of choice then,along with the Misericordia hospital, then on 86 ST.a Catholic hospital also,they helped keep our family as good as they could be....The one thing they excelled with is life,that most sacred of Gods Gifts....compassiom,respect,ca re,not only for the suffering but to those who were leaving this life,and their loved ones behind!
...I rememberer that the most.....that support at that most vulnerable time in our life.
This I recall some 65 yrs ago!
Upon returning from the Korean war ,we left NYC...raised all those kids of mine on a farm...their to have the luxury of Doctors making house calls...Imangine that??..Doctors,house call!!
Now here in the Bone Yard health care is a huge business...the fundamentals of human care are almost lost....Money rules now..not compassionate care!....again Thanx Bill!!
My wife was a nurse at St Vincents. This is so sad to see.

Misericordia hospital is up in the Bronx now.

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St Vincents is out of the Hierarchy. The Sisters of Charity are anything but bigots. Do not confuse yourself with high and mighty puffery.
There is no reason not to read what I posted. 1. We don't need theocrats running things. 2. The hierarchy of the RCC is comprised of unrepentant bigots.

That doesn't mean all Catholics, or all nuns, or everyone working in a Catholic charity is a bigot, necessarily. It means the Church always blurs lines when doing social services, whether it's a hospital refusing family planning or an adoption agency refusing same sex couples.

And I lived in New York City in the mid 80s to late 90s. Perhaps you have forgotten the bigoted Archbishop in NYC whose opposition to gay rights and something so simple as condoms surely put a lot more people into St. Vincent's than needed to be there.

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Jan 27, 2010
 
I meant Cardinal O'Connor at the time, rather than Archbishop, whose memory it is important for us to keep burning in hell, since hell is not a literal place. Amen.

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>I'm sorry if you have AIDS, the church did not give it to you....Yet were you to go to St. Vincents with any health problem

Hey ignorant, lying bigot: You haven't responded to what I posted.

The RCC definitely blocked common sense education about and use of condoms, thereby resulting in more people becoming poz. The constant, irreligious defaming of gay men likewise had adverse affects on all kinds of health.

I didn't say St. Vincent's would treat a particular patient with disrespect, because I did not indict all Catholics.

Again, for the stooopit bigots, I gave examples of why we don't want theocrats running social services. And I pointed out the obvious fact that the RCC hierarchy is sexually disordered and bigoted beyond all compare.

Okay, you cretin? Was that clear enough for your tiny, bigoted mind?
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Best wa to cut health care cost: Close all the hospitals.
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It is very sad to see this institution go. I trained at this institution in the early 90 and also worked as well as at St Clare (St Vincent Mid town), before any treatment was found for the treatment of HIV/AIDS. People have short memory, those patient died from this condition in agony, due to the opportunistic infection.. In addition there was the social stigma which was terrible. Both St. Clare and St Vincent hospital treated these patient with compassion, care regardless of their ability to pay. I vividly recall me how many patients who suddenly lost their health insurance would be dumpeded from Mount Sinai, Beth Israel care etc... and sent to St. Vincents. In the transfer notes explicitly stating..."since they cannot pay we cannot take care of them"....
We are living in a strange era in health care where only money talks and patient are just pions from which lawyers, administrators, insurance companies (useless health care middle person) syphon the money in their pocket without any consequence.

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David wrote:
It is very sad to see this institution go. I trained at this institution in the early 90 and also worked as well as at St Clare (St Vincent Mid town), before any treatment was found for the treatment of HIV/AIDS. People have short memory, those patient died from this condition in agony, due to the opportunistic infection.. In addition there was the social stigma which was terrible. Both St. Clare and St Vincent hospital treated these patient with compassion, care regardless of their ability to pay. I vividly recall me how many patients who suddenly lost their health insurance would be dumpeded from Mount Sinai, Beth Israel care etc... and sent to St. Vincents. In the transfer notes explicitly stating..."since they cannot pay we cannot take care of them"....
We are living in a strange era in health care where only money talks and patient are just pions from which lawyers, administrators, insurance companies (useless health care middle person) syphon the money in their pocket without any consequence.
Your post is about whether health care should be for profit.

Non profit hospitals, or a public health care system, could obviously be run by entities other than churches, particularly other than bigoted, "religious" churches.

Few have complained about St. Vincent's. It has been pointed out that the bigot, Catholic hierarchy fought safer sex ed and condoms, thus helping to funnel more gay men into whatever hospital system. Not to mention the spiritual damage wrought by the "religious" defamation of gays and lesbians emanating from the misogynistic, authoritarian, anti sex, anti pleasure hierarchy of the RCC.

I don't think we need healing to be associated with such an institution.
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I believe that you are mis-informed "Writewingproxyco ntin"

The only difference between a Catholic Hospital and Non Catholic hospital is that Catholic hospital do not perform Abortion and Reproductive medicine. In addition they include clergy in the ethics committee in addition to being non profit

The population of healthcare professional at this institution also included openly gay individuals.

Before you make any further mis informed prejudicial comments I suggest that you educate yourself.

Ignorance is blessed!!!!

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David wrote:
The only difference between a Catholic Hospital and Non Catholic hospital is that Catholic hospital do not perform Abortion and Reproductive medicine.
Yeah, I'd say that right there is enough of a difference to get theocrats out of the business of health care.

And even if as you point out the full measure of the RCC's sexually disordered bigotry did not insinuate itself into St. Vincent's specifically, a lot of gay and closeted and IV using folks did wend their way to St. Vincent's thanks in no small part to the RCC's steadfast opposition to medically indicated strategies like condom usage and clean needle exchanges.

The RCC perpetrates its bigotry when the D.C. Council okays marriage equality, when MA demands adoption agencies receiving state contracts not be bigots, and in many other ways.

Again, there is no reason we can't have non profit (or public sector) health care without having religious bigots mixed up in the process. Amen, you dissembling apologist for homophobia.
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Saint vincents had one of the first clinics to treat aids patient way before many other did.due to there location they had many patients with aid during the worst of the outbreak in the 80's .they did not turn people away.they never treated people like dirt because of there illness liek many did at that time .there is one of teh best cyctic fibrois centers in that hospital peole travel from all over to go there and to be hospitalized when they are very ill from it .what will happen to those people

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