Time for Carroll to get on the bus -

Time for Carroll to get on the bus -

There are 48 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Aug 13, 2007, titled Time for Carroll to get on the bus -. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Outside the Owings Mills Metro station are several bus bays that have been there since it opened in 1987.

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#1 Aug 13, 2007
To know the answer as to why Carroll County has not wanted to pursue public transportation for all these years, simply ask the residents, business owners and police that live and work around the light rail in Hunt Valley. When the tracks were offline for expansion a while back, there was a sharp decrease in the amount of property crimes and theft from the area. When the train started rolling again, guess what: the crime did to. I believe most residents choose to drive to Owings Mills as opposed to having the crime come to them.
scott hollenbeck

Baltimore, MD

#2 Aug 13, 2007
Keep the buses, the crime, the drugs, the criminals, the pollution and the problems of the city in the city. City murder rate is close to 200. Carroll County murder rate is zero. If something works leave it alone.

Baltimore, MD

#3 Aug 13, 2007
I simply cannot believe the gumption and holier-than-thou attitude presented by this author. He acts like he is the savior of the poor Carroll County residents who moved to the county and now can't get out of there because the Metro only comes to Owings Mills. People in Carroll County moved to that county knowing full well what the traffic issues are like, I mean traffic on 140 and Liberty Road did not just appear out of thin air. How about we actually wait for the people of the county to ask for this type of expansion before you (the author) tries to convince us that we are stupid for not wanting it. Why do you think there was such a vocal opposition to the airport expansion? If the commute is so bad, then why did you move to Carroll County to begin with?

Westminster, MD

#4 Aug 13, 2007
Carroll is plagued by too rapid growth now. Water is the major issue, there is much land in ag preservation and the roads can barely handle the existing traffic. All the metro will do is attract more people to a county already having trouble providing for its current residents. The idea now among many rsidents is zero growth, not encouraging more. Encourage the workers at the new Owings Mills metro to live in Baltimore County or City and have the politicians make them more attractive by reducing crime and improving the already existing transit services there.

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5 Aug 13, 2007
I wouldn't put any money into Carroll county roads until they accept the buses. Not one dime!
Not interested

Westminster, MD

#6 Aug 13, 2007
I may complain occasionally about the minor inconvenience of the congestion on 140 BUT I'll take that over the crime, etc any day. I'm only speaking from experience. I rode the Owings Mills Metro to Charles Center every weekday for 3 years up until late 2006 to work. I saw first hand the "explorers" on there during non-rush hour. Believe me, they'd find a lot to do in CC during the day for a $3.20 metro/bus fare.

United States

#7 Aug 13, 2007
here's how you can control growth. QUIT FORNICATING!

Hagerstown, MD

#8 Aug 13, 2007
I am a resident and employer in Carroll. My wife and I have opposed buses every time the issue has been raised for reasons of the crime wave it may bring. Yes we have water challenges, traffic, congestion and a growing number of anti-growth folks.

I get the environmental benefits. But the MTA brings crime, whether flying the agency flag or in a brown wrapper. We moved here in full cognition (and desiring) the absence of bus service. Our quality of life depends on its continuing absence.

Laurel, MD

#9 Aug 13, 2007
If people would like to live somewhere with easy access to bus routes, they should move to an area that has them. People move to Carroll County to be away from the city and it's problems. A bus route would eventually lead to more crime. I would rather be confident that my house is not being robbed during the day instead of an easier commute.

Hagerstown, MD

#10 Aug 13, 2007
After living in the Baltimore/DC Metro for nearly 15 years I could not wait to partially retire in Carroll County. Yes - I acknowledge the fact that commuting can be horrific at times but there is nothing better than rolling the windows down after work and partaking in the beautiful and rolling countryside. I feel safe, I know all my neighbors and there is still a community spirit that makes our family feel humble. Out of a 168 hour week...if I have to sacrifice 10 or so hours of slugging along... then the tradeoff is well worth it. Now getting stuck behind a tractor going 5 mph - well that is a different story :)

Hey Mr. Big Writer of the Sun - come on up and sit on my porch and I'll sing you a song on my banjo. At least I won't get mugged, flipped off or shot at while sitting outside.

Camp Hill, PA

#11 Aug 13, 2007
This is supposed to be a democratic society. And availing themselves of democratic priciples, the people of Carroll County have decided not to avail themselves of the benefits of of mass transportation. There is no need to resort to name calling and reference to a free people as goofy. There are many instances where taxes and government pillaging are tolerated because"goofy" people would rather pay the cost of a "benefit" to which they are entitled but do not partake. While every property tax payer pays for the "benefit" of public schools, many, like Martin O'Malley, are instead goofy enough to send their children to an atmosphere that allows learning rather than having to learn survival skills just to make it through a day. And the fear of bad people coming to a community via mass transit is not unfounded. Owings Mills and its mall have been the scene of increased criminal activity thanks in no small part to the Metro. Murder, robbery, car theft are all perpetrated by people who take the subway out to commit crime and then steal a car to make it back home. And can you really blame people who fled the murderous thugs of East and West Baltimore (who are driving up the murder rate in 2007) for not wanting to subsidize their transportation to their community?

And Mr. Dresser contradicts himself in the last sentence. If in fact Carroll Countians are goofy for not wanting services they paid for, how can he then complain about "our" (ostensibly his) tax dollars being used on them. I understand taxes go into a general pool and further that when an inefficient government undertakes a project the costs are wildly inflated, but still, I would think that in 20 years with no required maitenance the goofy Carroll Countians have more than paid for a little concrete and Mr. Dresser can rest assured that his tax dollars have been squandered elsewhere.

Alexandria, VA

#12 Aug 13, 2007
If the MTA services did not increase crime in the suburbs, then why is there always a heavy police presence in Owings Mills and Hunt Valley?
Six ft Seven

Baltimore, MD

#13 Aug 13, 2007
Mark wrote:
Our quality of life depends on its continuing absence.
Is this the "quality of life" you're talking about?(Copied from mddwi.com , "Testimonials" section.)
You are unreal. My third DUI offense, without you, I got a year in jail. My fourth DUI, with you, no jail time. I know I promised never again but then my fifth offense. After an accident and a .23 blood test at the hospital- and a three day jury trial, not guilty on the DUI and the negligent driving. Bruce, anybody that fails to hire you as their lawyer for a DUI charge is either drunk or stupid. Simple as that. Thanks for fighting so hard for me!
-- Carroll County
Drunk driving: the dirty little secret of white suburbia you'll never hear them talk about.(Anyone care to post how many drunk Carroll County residents were arrested/caused an accident/killed last year? Anyone?)

Columbia, MD

#14 Aug 13, 2007
More condescending advice from The Calvert Street Pravda.Interesting that this would run three days after the Sun reported,Marvin L. "Doc" Cheatham, Sr., president of the NAACP's Baltimore chapter said"the NAACP, ministers and community activists who have rallied to support the Simmons family plan to make their presence known in Carroll County"perhaps we can get the bus service up and running in a few days.But wouldn't this bring an influx of street crime to Carroll?Not likely says Mr Dresser,ignoring the fact that it has everywhere else,but hey if you say it wont thats good enough for me.Can you also save us your transparent pandering("under a Republican governor",,,"that's not conservative, that's goofy.")Perhaps your time could be better spent covering the 196th murder in Baltimore rather the telling us whats best.

United States

#15 Aug 13, 2007
you all made big mistakes in your lives. you could have retired by 45 with all the peace and sanctuary you'll ever need. instead of getting married and having children before you knew what was going on in the world, you could have gotten a real degree in the sciences and married at your profession. that way you could have pooled your net worth together without having that life long money pit called children and bought in upwards of 50+ acres for what you paid for your house and 1/4 acre lot. you are where you are because of you, not everyone else.

Sykesville, MD

#16 Aug 13, 2007
Why do you think everyone is moving out of Baltimore to CC? Could it be that the MTA was bringing all of the trash from the city out into the county? Look at the neighborhoods in baltimore county they were not that bad 10 yrs ago. We want to move out to CC to get away from the city. The crime is ridiculous anyone who moves to CC knows that they are going to have to deal with the inconvience of traffic. But It is worth it to live in a nice neighborhood having your children going to safe schools. And not looking over your shoulder every 5 seconds wondering if that person walking behind you is going to try and rob you rape you etc.... I took the metro from owingsmills one time and I do have to say I will never do that again that was my first and last time. There is nothing like the feeling of people asking you for money, the crack heads and heroin attics all druged up staring at you or approaching you as well for money. you feel like if you say no they might pull a gun on you and then you feel if you reach in your purse and they see what you have they may still pull a gun on you. These people don't care they will kill someone over $3.25. I say no to the idea of taking the MTA out to carroll county. Everyone that lives out there moved out there for that reason. And the simple fact is they don't want anything to do with the city. If you don't have transportation then you should have thought about that before moving somewhere that does not offer public transportation. You should of stayed where you were.

Savage, MD

#19 Aug 13, 2007
I'd much rather smell a cow then the MTA. Stay out.

Baltimore, MD

#20 Aug 13, 2007
Wow, some people believe we shouldn't get "a dime" for roads by not choosing to have mass transit. That's just great. I'm sure some of us CC folk believe money given to the city for the roads to keep the drug dealers, beggers and murders around to roam, sleep, scare, smell, pee and shoot, nice people shouldn't have the money either. Baltimore County residents probably speed in Baltimore City cause they're scared to death!
Beal Ennis

Columbia, MD

#22 Aug 13, 2007
As a Carroll county resident who grew up in Europe I have never understood the "fear" of mass transit. The crime factor from mass transit is non existent in European cities so why would it be any different here?.

This idea would be great for all. The congestion is getting worse out here and getting in and out of Baltimore is a total jam at peak time. Bring on the buses.
Jim from Sykesville

Glen Burnie, MD

#23 Aug 13, 2007
Regardless of what anyone in Baltimore, Annapolis, or anywhere else thinks, the residents of Carroll County are the ones that decide whether any form of mass transit should exist here. We have consistently refused mass transit and our elected officials know that accepting it in any form is a sure path to defeat come election time.

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