making manchester larger
opinion

London, KY

#83 Feb 4, 2013
Greed for power, money, is what this is all about. We are taxed to death already! need some good leader ship in the city. We are all poor ppl , leave the ppl alone outside city limits . city u got ur liquor n beer but keep wanting just like the cow under the acorn tree just keeps on eating and never looking up to see where they are coming from.
concerned

Clay City, KY

#84 Feb 4, 2013
since theyre trying to make the city bigger, what will people do that have cattle and horses? your not allowed those kinds of animals in the city.i have a horse and theres no way i could house it somewhere else besides my property.this animal has been with us for many years. theres alot of questions that people are failing to ask. id like to know when the meeting is and if we're allowed to attend, if someone could let me know id appreciate it.
concerned

Clay City, KY

#85 Feb 4, 2013
Just Say No wrote:
The citizens of Greenbriar had a standing room only crowd yesterday letting the mayor and city council know that we will be declining thier invitation to join the City of Hope.
thank god for that! i plan on moving to greenbriar in the next month or so. i lived there as a child and plan to live out my days there...i also have a horse and when i move i have to bring him with me. if the city gets there way, what would we do with our horses? idk about everyone else but i dont have extra property anywhere else.plz let me know when the next meeting is. i will be there with bells declining it all the way.
citzen

Campbellsville, KY

#86 Feb 4, 2013
Have any of you ever seen those large horse farms in Lexington? Do not have a clue about how they're in the city limits?but then on the other hand you let everyone believe you never been out of C.C. what about no horses,dogs ect.Do any of you have insurance on your homes? If you do,then you should know your rates come down to offset any tax that may or not occure,before you all drive each other crazy,Check on what you telling if you know all the answers then you know it all.
concerned

Clay City, KY

#87 Feb 4, 2013
citzen wrote:
Have any of you ever seen those large horse farms in Lexington? Do not have a clue about how they're in the city limits?but then on the other hand you let everyone believe you never been out of C.C. what about no horses,dogs ect.Do any of you have insurance on your homes? If you do,then you should know your rates come down to offset any tax that may or not occure,before you all drive each other crazy,Check on what you telling if you know all the answers then you know it all.
i would assume those horse farms were there because they were there before city limits was made in that area. is that correct or what? if you know alot plz tell me.
the one

Flat Lick, KY

#88 Feb 5, 2013
Mr Smith wrote:
<quoted text> The area that George wants to expand into the City limits 80% does not have any chance of hooking on the city sewer unless millions of dollars appear out of thin air to run a sewer line. I know the worn out saying is Senator Stivers will find the money somewhere just like asking him to ask for tax money to pay for Y Hollow and building the bridge to that strip pit. What they don't tell you is everyone is going through hard times, Federal, State, County etc... and taxpayers is getting tired of being taxed every time they turn around to fund foolish not needed projects. I would like for the city to publish in the enterprise how much money the beer and liquor tax has made them and what they are doing with the money right down to the last dime.But all you hear from city hall is the cry "we are broke" what are they doing with the beer and liquor tax money, water and sewer money, city tax money, etc...??????? Publish it in the paper Mayor right down to the last dime sir !
If I recall correctly, Senator Stivers had a very big hand in that debacle called Y-Hollow, yet somehow escaped a major portion of the blame.

As for the alcohol sales tax revenue, everyone knew that it wouldn't be the cure-all solution to the city's budget problems, but that it would plug a portion of that hole. I too would like to see how much it has brought in and what it was being spent on. My guess is that it was being spent on things that most taxpayers wouldn't approve of. Without that sales tax, imagine just how much louder the taxpayers would be screaming right now without that money source, my guess being that the city would be far broker in that situation.
the one

Flat Lick, KY

#89 Feb 5, 2013
what benefits wrote:
<quoted text>
The only benefit people outside the city get is fire. You say "benefits". Name some other ones. No one wants higher taxes, so what else does this annexation have to offer but that. There will be no other "benefit" as you say.
If you count the city water supply, then about 90% of Clay County's entire population is receiving a service of the city for almost nothing in return. Shut that off to people outside the city limits, and watch the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth begin.
Insane

Harrison, AR

#90 Feb 5, 2013
The last post has to be the dumbest post Ive ever read on topix. One we do not receive a free service in city water. We pay a bill every month. Two the city did not front the money to lay the waterlines. This was paid with federal tax dollars and I know I pay my fair share of that. Ridicolous.
CCproud

Stanford, KY

#91 Feb 5, 2013
Your home owners insurance policy is cheaper when located inside city limits, and, if you have fire, the fire department service is paid by your insurance policy, not you. The city fire department would come to your rescue, but, outside the city limits, there is a fee. This normal procedure for most of fire departments in the state too. Your trash pick up twice a week would be cheaper than an independent trash collector and is added into your water bill. I compared my water bill to a friend's bill who lives in Lyttleton, and mine was way far cheaper and theirs did not include trash pickup.
Your insurance IS NOT CHEAPER living in the city limits of Manchester. The premium is based on Protection Class rating for ISO and it is set at PC5 for the Manchester Fire Dept. So if Manchester Fire Dept is your responding FD then you have Protection Class 5. The residents in the city limits has to pay 4.6% city tax on their home, auto,boat, business insurance.
GI Joe

London, KY

#92 Feb 5, 2013
the one wrote:
<quoted text>
If you count the city water supply, then about 90% of Clay County's entire population is receiving a service of the city for almost nothing in return. Shut that off to people outside the city limits, and watch the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth begin.
Someone please help remove the one who has two heads up his @$$. Tell him, that if not for the citizens of Clay County, the best water plant the City of Dope could afford would be a pair of used 8 lb lard buckets.
Jescoe White

Somerset, KY

#93 Feb 5, 2013
the one wrote:
<quoted text>
If you count the city water supply, then about 90% of Clay County's entire population is receiving a service of the city for almost nothing in return. Shut that off to people outside the city limits, and watch the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth begin.
To put it nicer than others have put it, the City sells the water to North Manchester Water company, and they sell it to the citizens at a higher price than the actual city residents.

This will have to be something discussed at the next council meeting.
Taxed to Death

London, KY

#94 Feb 5, 2013
Here is some real info:

If your house is in the city limits your car insurance will be higher. There is a Surcharge on your policy for being in the city limits. For most policies this surcharge is about $45.00 per policy. I called the insurance companies to check this already.

You will still have to pay the fire fee to best of my knowledge. Call the city office to find out.

Your city tax rate is $.36 per $100 of value based on your county tax bill. And this is in addition to your county tax bill. Example: County tax valuation of your home is $50,000. Your city tax bill would add $180 to your yearly tax bill.

Farm land is not supposed to be inside city limits. Things like cows, horses, etc. are excluded in most city limits.

No new house trailers can be put inside city limits. Only existing trailers can stay. But no new ones can be put in after the section is annexed.

You home insurance policy will not go down. Your policy is rated in relation to your homes distance from the fire dept. and to the nearest connection for the fire trucks.(hydrants) And your fire class rating as someone stated above.

In other words, most people will be out a lot more money if the northern areas are annexed. Money most people don't have with today's economic situation and Clay County's situation in general. Too many lower income folks to do this to them at this time or any time for that matter.
Taxed to Death

London, KY

#95 Feb 5, 2013
Just called the insurance company. You also have to pay city tax on on your car, house etc. in addition to the increase in your property taxes. So your house and car insurance will go up! I think our rate is 4.6 %.
Well

Flat Lick, KY

#96 Feb 5, 2013
concerned wrote:
since theyre trying to make the city bigger, what will people do that have cattle and horses? your not allowed those kinds of animals in the city.i have a horse and theres no way i could house it somewhere else besides my property.this animal has been with us for many years. theres alot of questions that people are failing to ask. id like to know when the meeting is and if we're allowed to attend, if someone could let me know id appreciate it.
Why can't there be a horse farm within the city limits? Lexington has several.

Richmond has cattle farms.
Taxed to Death

London, KY

#97 Feb 5, 2013
I don't know the reason behind no farm animals. It doesn't really make sense, especially if rural areas are annexed into a city.
Well

Flat Lick, KY

#98 Feb 5, 2013
the one wrote:
<quoted text>
If I recall correctly, Senator Stivers had a very big hand in that debacle called Y-Hollow, yet somehow escaped a major portion of the blame.
As for the alcohol sales tax revenue, everyone knew that it wouldn't be the cure-all solution to the city's budget problems, but that it would plug a portion of that hole. I too would like to see how much it has brought in and what it was being spent on. My guess is that it was being spent on things that most taxpayers wouldn't approve of. Without that sales tax, imagine just how much louder the taxpayers would be screaming right now without that money source, my guess being that the city would be far broker in that situation.
Sen. Stivers had nothing directly to do with the Y-Hollow project. He was in a position to help the city secure economic development money if a viable project or projects emerged. Unfortunately this didn't occur. He may also have been able to gain funding for a proposed access bridge, but again, this did not happen.

The alcohol tax is a narrow administrative tax with specific limits placed on expenditures.
Hmmm

Flat Lick, KY

#99 Feb 5, 2013
Taxed to Death wrote:
I don't know the reason behind no farm animals. It doesn't really make sense, especially if rural areas are annexed into a city.
I can see not having a hog farm located in certain residential areas. I suppose zoning will be the solution.
Stan

United States

#100 Feb 5, 2013
According the published property tax rate from the www.welovemanchester.com site at 36 cents per 100 dollar assessed value a 100k property would be approximately $360 annually or about $30 per month, or about $1 per day.

It would appear that city residents who pay $1 per day expense rate would receive more in benefits from the city services than the costs such as 1) increased police patrols and protection services, 2)increased access and response time for fire and rescue services, 3)decreased insurance and home security premiums, 4)improved water, sewage, and garbage services, 5)increased city population size that can be benficial in economic development efforts, 6)increased city geographic size which can be helpful when recruiting potential business and industry, 7) increased population diversifies the city electorate, and 8)provides more citizens the opportunity to have an active voice in city operations.

Yes, it is real money from real working peoples pockets but if taken in full consideration I personlly think the benefits are worth more than the expense.

Sustainable growth and development are essential as we move forward together. Your voice, your needs, and your discontent over city operations are heard and amplified when you have city residency and voting status. You can hold the city council more accountable when you participate in the city elections, your vote counts, elections matter.
Taxed to Death

London, KY

#101 Feb 5, 2013
Yes Stan, but in this town that just doesn't happen. And our insurance rates will go up. 4.6% increase in the rate on all your cars, houses, boats, etc. This is from the city info and from insurance companies. You keep saying insurance will go down but that is not true! What makes you think there will be increased response time. We're not moving LOL! They can't get here any faster than they already do, unless they hold back now on purpose.
stan shut up

London, KY

#102 Feb 5, 2013
stan just shut up you think you know everything you must be right in on this crap maby you should work for obama you sound just like em up there

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