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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 167670 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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non believer

Rancho Cordova, CA

#115806 Oct 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Do you actually know what fascism means? Do you know that fascism is a off shoot of socialism were the government is given absolute power over production of goods and services for equitable redistribution to the people as determined by the Elite that consider their rule for the greater good...
Since WW2 the left has made great effort to distance themselves and redefine Fascism and National Socialism as Right Wing movements but before the war it was the left and Socialist leaning US politicians and public figures Supported both the Fascists and the NAZI's ... There were NAZI Marches through downtown NYC with speeches in support by local and national officials in support... Once the Germans and Italians started attacking their neighbors and committing atrocities the left started moon walking like Jackson to distance themselves so the left could claim no Blame for helping Hitler and Mussolini gain power in the first place with the lefts support...
Religion and Fascism work hand in hand; if in doubt ask the Pope!
non believer

Rancho Cordova, CA

#115807 Oct 29, 2013
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Controlled Mass Media

Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders.

Corporate Power is Protected

Labor Power is Suppressed

I say this resembles the tea party republicans
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115808 Oct 29, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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The idea of the Atheist church was made by two stand up comedians. They sing 80 ballads, have crazy clapping games, mini raves and nothing to do with God. They make it entertaining because they can't use hell to threaten people to come. How do you get they aren't making fun of religion?
There are good things about church, any time you can get a group of people together peacefully to exchange ideas then that's a good thing. When you have people gathering because they are afraid of going to hell then I really don't see how that can be productive.
As far as your going on and on about how religious people are more happy than Atheist I just don't believe it. It sure wasn't the case in my life. Not thinking God was going to kill me at any moment for not obeying him was a great feeling.
Last time God judged the world he killed everything but a boat load of people and the next round isn't going to be any better. The bible says just a few will make it but you guys believe all you have to do is go to church on the holidays and hate gays. If the bible is true then there's going to be a lot of people sitting in hell wondering why they are there.
Hey , I explained why their objective is not to make fun of religion and specifically pointed out what their objective is,quoting their words.
If you did not understand it then,posting it again will be of no value.
Go back and read it and get back to me.
If you or they believe that listening to Bon Jovi will resolve their problem , you all are going tgo be in for a huge disappointment.
You will only end up with a huge headache and discombobulated eardrums.As if you guys didn't already have enough problems
non believer

Rancho Cordova, CA

#115810 Oct 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Do you actually know what fascism means? Do you know that fascism is a off shoot of socialism were the government is given absolute power over production of goods and services for equitable redistribution to the people as determined by the Elite that consider their rule for the greater good...
Since WW2 the left has made great effort to distance themselves and redefine Fascism and National Socialism as Right Wing movements but before the war it was the left and Socialist leaning US politicians and public figures Supported both the Fascists and the NAZI's ... There were NAZI Marches through downtown NYC with speeches in support by local and national officials in support... Once the Germans and Italians started attacking their neighbors and committing atrocities the left started moon walking like Jackson to distance themselves so the left could claim no Blame for helping Hitler and Mussolini gain power in the first place with the lefts support...
FASCISMO - Movimento politico italiano creato da Benito Mussolini (v.). Literally translated, Fascism an Italian Political Movement Created by Benito Mussolini.
DOTTRINA

Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon....

Sound like tea party republicans.
Opposed to trade unions and Socialism aka medicare,social security,welfare and obamacare.

Since: Oct 13

Covington, KY

#115811 Oct 29, 2013
curious wrote:
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Hey , I explained why their objective is not to make fun of religion and specifically pointed out what their objective is,quoting their words.
If you did not understand it then,posting it again will be of no value.
Go back and read it and get back to me.
If you or they believe that listening to Bon Jovi will resolve their problem , you all are going tgo be in for a huge disappointment.
You will only end up with a huge headache and discombobulated eardrums.As if you guys didn't already have enough problems
This whole subject has turned into a way Unbelievers can jump believers with their ill behavior and display thier ignorance if the word.

I don't think it's healthy for believers to constantly try continue to carry on a conversation, maybe we can only plant a seed of faith but the unsaved are using this forum to spew hate and Jesus saw immediately who would believe and who wouldn't he spoke his encouraging and uplifting words to who loved him not to those who hated him, he rebuked them once and walked away ignoring them.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115812 Oct 29, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not ask one Jew whether Jesus was the Messiah , I asked 12 Jews , who knew him and they said that he was The Messiah and that they were willing to die for that belief AND THEY DID DIE FOR THAT BELIEF.
Foolish one , It is not I that is telling them they are wrong,It is
their Scriptures that is telling them they are wrong.
Moses told them in advance ,way back then , of his coming and when he arrived theystill would not believe him.
I cansee why you defend the Jews and their unbelief, You are also afflicted by their blindness.
So you believe twelve Jews over the other several million?
Point is, no matter if you think the scriptures say Jesus must be the messiah, it is not very specific and is certainly open to subjective opinion. So when you claim to be correct here, it only shows absolute arrogance.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115813 Oct 29, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
<quoted text>
This whole subject has turned into a way Unbelievers can jump believers with their ill behavior and display thier ignorance if the word.
I don't think it's healthy for believers to constantly try continue to carry on a conversation, maybe we can only plant a seed of faith but the unsaved are using this forum to spew hate and Jesus saw immediately who would believe and who wouldn't he spoke his encouraging and uplifting words to who loved him not to those who hated him, he rebuked them once and walked away ignoring them.
You said this in response to a Christian spewing hate for atheists. How ironic.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115814 Oct 29, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
<quoted text>
This whole subject has turned into a way Unbelievers can jump believers with their ill behavior and display thier ignorance if the word.
I don't think it's healthy for believers to constantly try continue to carry on a conversation, maybe we can only plant a seed of faith but the unsaved are using this forum to spew hate and Jesus saw immediately who would believe and who wouldn't he spoke his encouraging and uplifting words to who loved him not to those who hated him, he rebuked them once and walked away ignoring them.
Sounds like you need to run and stick your head in the sand in order to stay in denial. Denial is the key to blind faith.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115815 Oct 29, 2013
curious wrote:
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Well , the fact is that Atheists are grouping together in order to have the same benefits as Christians do ,in which they will fail ,as they did in their previous attempts , because they leave God out of the equation. It is through God that we attain these benefits,not by getting together and listening to Bon Jovi , as the wacko from Somerset claims.
Did you see where they have even borrowed the Christian ritual of Baptism?
That Smacks of Christian wannabes without Christ
In other words , you want God's blessing , because you know it is for your well being , but , you want no part of God.
Outwardly you deny him ,subconsciously , you seek him ,because it is obvious to your subconscious ,that you need him.
Your denials are futile and made null and void by your actions,
As actions speak louder than words
Then by your logic, you are seeking atheism. You really have no idea how to put yourself in someone else's shoes, do you?
First, their are many atheist groups that have not failed.
Just because your sort of church is of blind faith and has many flaws, does not mean an atheist can find no good in any of your ideas. It does not need mean we wish to be Christian.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115816 Oct 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you believe twelve Jews over the other several million?
Point is, no matter if you think the scriptures say Jesus must be the messiah, it is not very specific and is certainly open to subjective opinion. So when you claim to be correct here, it only shows absolute arrogance.
I am not showing absolute arrogance and you are showing absolute ignorance.
If we start with the begining; In thr begining God created the heavens and the earth and human life as we know it. I have posted my basis for believing God is the creator.
None of you have been able to dispute my beliefs , other than with excuses and stinkbombs.
You have had the opportunity to post the basis for believing otherwise.
You have been unable to so , confessing that you do not know. While sticking your finger in your belly button , in the hope that by cleaning out the lint an intellihent response will come to your minds , all you can do is rely on wishful thinking in the hope that someday ,if we can wait a couple of million years , there is a possibility that Science will be able to explain that miraculous event.
Therefore , your foundation for denying the accuracy of the bible is based on a resounding " I DON"T KNOW"
Your foundation is mired in quicksand and any further misinformation you place atop it wil cause it to sink deeper into the mire.
You often allude to " your logic" as if that were the basis for accuracy and truth , when in effect ,it is only the basis for accuracy and truth according to basing your opioin as to what is right in your eyes , not according to the facts.
In reality " your logic" is nothing more than your Opinion ,regardless of the term you couch it in.
I am very secure in the basis for my faith.
While yours is based on an .I don't know, mine is based on .I believe and with good reason.
I feel badly about your unbelief , but I can do nothing about that.
On the other hand ,your unbelief and that of the others on this website , has served to strengthen my beliefs.
Thank God for that.
And YES , I believe those 12 Jews who personally knew HIM and were taught by HIM as opposed to those who have NEVER known him.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115817 Oct 29, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
<quoted text>
This whole subject has turned into a way Unbelievers can jump believers with their ill behavior and display thier ignorance if the word.
I don't think it's healthy for believers to constantly try continue to carry on a conversation, maybe we can only plant a seed of faith but the unsaved are using this forum to spew hate and Jesus saw immediately who would believe and who wouldn't he spoke his encouraging and uplifting words to who loved him not to those who hated him, he rebuked them once and walked away ignoring them.
I agree with you but, you need to understand my reasons for continuing this conversation. True,it maynot benefit the Atheists, but their inane opinions serve to strengthen my beliefs.
All they cansay,in defense of their nonbelief ,is that they have no idea what or who was responsible for creating theUniverse and life.
Of course that is their only option Their unbelief will not permit them to claim God as the creator.
Their other options are to voice the inane opinion that nothing created something from nothing, therby,spontaneously creating the Universe or, to explain how it is possible that unintelligent,nonliving .nonconscious matter was able to transform itself into it's complete opposite.
Those are opinions with no basis in fact , Therefore they must, under their breath , proclaim, I don't know. where as , we can proclaim . I believe ,,and with good reason.
anyhow , you keep posting and although we are nearing Halloween,don't let these hob goblins detain you from your work.
God bless us ALL

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115818 Oct 29, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Israel, for one example, is documented though out history, to have been the "hot seat" of many "quests of conquer" as far back as the MacAbees.
And NOT over religion-but moreso over POLITICAL quests for ruling power, greed etc.
Just as it is NOW a days.
TRUTH-not distortions spewed to suit feed the sickness of ones own hatred against other beleifs.
The ruling power so easily uses the claimed words of god to rally the troops. All you need is some faithful god believers a power hungry leader and you have the makings of war. Moses did it.
Now try to sweep that under the rug so history will keep repeating itself with the ignorant.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115819 Oct 29, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not showing absolute arrogance and you are showing absolute ignorance.
If we start with the begining; In thr begining God created the heavens and the earth and human life as we know it. I have posted my basis for believing God is the creator.
None of you have been able to dispute my beliefs , other than with excuses and stinkbombs.
You have had the opportunity to post the basis for believing otherwise.
You have been unable to so , confessing that you do not know. While sticking your finger in your belly button , in the hope that by cleaning out the lint an intellihent response will come to your minds , all you can do is rely on wishful thinking in the hope that someday ,if we can wait a couple of million years , there is a possibility that Science will be able to explain that miraculous event.
Therefore , your foundation for denying the accuracy of the bible is based on a resounding " I DON"T KNOW"
Your foundation is mired in quicksand and any further misinformation you place atop it wil cause it to sink deeper into the mire.
You often allude to " your logic" as if that were the basis for accuracy and truth , when in effect ,it is only the basis for accuracy and truth according to basing your opioin as to what is right in your eyes , not according to the facts.
In reality " your logic" is nothing more than your Opinion ,regardless of the term you couch it in.
I am very secure in the basis for my faith.
While yours is based on an .I don't know, mine is based on .I believe and with good reason.
I feel badly about your unbelief , but I can do nothing about that.
On the other hand ,your unbelief and that of the others on this website , has served to strengthen my beliefs.
Thank God for that.
And YES , I believe those 12 Jews who personally knew HIM and were taught by HIM as opposed to those who have NEVER known him.
Calling me ignorant for not believing you zero evidence story is again absolute arrogance.
If you wish to put your god into that gap of knowledge, fine. But it is not fact, it is simply an opinion.
More than twelve people thought David Koresh was a messiah. And the died in that cause. Does this prove he was the messiah?
I am not using my logic in this, I am using yours stupid. You can't even understand a simple hypothetical. What an idiot.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115820 Oct 29, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you but, you need to understand my reasons for continuing this conversation. True,it maynot benefit the Atheists, but their inane opinions serve to strengthen my beliefs.
All they cansay,in defense of their nonbelief ,is that they have no idea what or who was responsible for creating theUniverse and life.
Of course that is their only option Their unbelief will not permit them to claim God as the creator.
Their other options are to voice the inane opinion that nothing created something from nothing, therby,spontaneously creating the Universe or, to explain how it is possible that unintelligent,nonliving .nonconscious matter was able to transform itself into it's complete opposite.
Those are opinions with no basis in fact , Therefore they must, under their breath , proclaim, I don't know. where as , we can proclaim . I believe ,,and with good reason.
anyhow , you keep posting and although we are nearing Halloween,don't let these hob goblins detain you from your work.
God bless us ALL
The difference between you and atheists in this respect is, you assume to know something no one can actually know. Absolute arrogance.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115821 Oct 29, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you but, you need to understand my reasons for continuing this conversation. True,it maynot benefit the Atheists, but their inane opinions serve to strengthen my beliefs.
All they cansay,in defense of their nonbelief ,is that they have no idea what or who was responsible for creating theUniverse and life.
Of course that is their only option Their unbelief will not permit them to claim God as the creator.
Their other options are to voice the inane opinion that nothing created something from nothing, therby,spontaneously creating the Universe or, to explain how it is possible that unintelligent,nonliving .nonconscious matter was able to transform itself into it's complete opposite.
Those are opinions with no basis in fact , Therefore they must, under their breath , proclaim, I don't know. where as , we can proclaim . I believe ,,and with good reason.
anyhow , you keep posting and although we are nearing Halloween,don't let these hob goblins detain you from your work.
God bless us ALL
I am sure in the days of Zeus, many had their faith confirmed in him when non believers could not tell them where lightning comes from.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115823 Oct 29, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well now...theres a new concept...Karoke in the church of nothingness.
Does it just skip the former precepts of the more historically based orgs and go for the door cover charge instead of passing around a donation plate?
Who decides which muzac will American Idoltrylized for the week?
Nothingness? Pretty sure they come together for a reason, and it is not to worship. In other words, it is something.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115824 Oct 29, 2013
DownGradedUSofA wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo dude-
What this church b at? I knows of some peeps in needs of some functionasl, safe transpo-and well, with this here obammer economy already sucking and draining the life outa hard working peeps, they aint gotz no extree nickels to gets one.
So I was thinkn mehbe I could tell they about this muzac worshipping place-and we, kuld sing us some them there great bon jovi muzac and mehbe get one them thar majikeel obammer economy sparkle, sparkle, glitter, glitter unikorns to poop they one out.
And mehbe a little Dillon, or Arriosmith too, for that really speshull fweelink?
No condemning or labeling here.
Must you say something hypocritical
Every day?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115825 Oct 29, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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TRUTH-not distortions spewed to suit feed the sickness of ones own hatred against other beleifs.
Read the last post, hypocrite. You can change your name, but only one person writes in baby talk here.
SistaNoneYa

United States

#115826 Oct 29, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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You mean like displacing the indigenous Palestinians in 1947?
There are dark age, barbaric, ignorant terrorists and then there are enlightened, cultured, intelligent power brokers. A thief is a thief.(You aren't going to see that slogan on a tea party poster. Don't wrinkle your little brow trying to ponder it out.)
1947/1906/ etc etc....

(Seems like just saying Judea with one capital city, and one state capital would be easier, but...)
SistaNoneYa

United States

#115827 Oct 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Trying to create your own labels for certain types of people you like to condemn, I see. Your label is HYPOCRITE!!!
Oh stick a fork in your ol' waggy, judgemental, hateful tongue.

I too, like to REST on Sunday mornings. So call me a hypocrite.

But I AM still, one of the best behaved ones you'll ever dialgue with!

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