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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 148097 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108288 Jul 12, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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This is what blows my mind with you nutbags. How can you possibly use this as rationale? How is your "theory" provable? Who witnessed the events that you propose happened?
You complain relentlessly that science hasn't exhaustively defined and proven it's theories and then (supposedly because of that) you replace it with something that is outside the scope of reason entirely. You honestly don't see how ludicrous your argument is?
This blows our minds...
God is real, and HAS proved Himself to US, and will Prove Himself to ALL who seek Him with their whole heart!
God is real, and it is YOU people who are the "Nutbags" for knowing the Truth, and believing the Lies of satan!
"You honestly don't see how ludicrous your argument is?"
Go figure!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108289 Jul 12, 2013
curious wrote:
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If I were an Atheist,what I would consider to be pathetic is the fact that 255 OF Atheists attend church hoping to find an answer to that which they claim not to believe in.
Obviously,they are disenchanted with the inane spoutings that they had accepted as valid.
That many of your children,when they grow into adulthood,disavow their former Atheist beliefs would lead me to question why that is.
And you,foolish one,need to understand that my faith is not based on the absurd opinions you have expressed.
Those foolish opinions are what you base your unbelief on.
So true!
Great post!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108290 Jul 12, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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And then the Fairy Godmother waved her magic wand and a unicorn farted a rainbow.
The end.
I seriously doubt that I will see the surprise on your face come judgment day, as I will be Looking upon the Glory of our Lord, and praising His name....
While you'll be cursing your stupidity!
There is no "Fairy Godmother", but there IS a God, and
you know we are right, and you just cannot stand it!
You do not have to be ashamed this way... Seek Him...
You'll be Glad you did!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108291 Jul 12, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably quite a good little percentage.
Just because a car isn't in a garage, doesn't mean it's not a car.
True there!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108292 Jul 12, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably quite a good little percentage.
Just because a car isn't in a garage, doesn't mean it's not a car.
I might add...
Just because one goes to college, doesn't make one a know-it-all!
LOL
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108293 Jul 12, 2013
2 Peter
3:3 Knowing this first, that there will come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since
the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were]
from the beginning of the creation.
3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of
God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the
water and in the water:
3:6 By which the world that then was, being overflowed with
water, perished:
3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same
word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of
judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand
years as one day.
3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is long-suffering toward us, not willing
that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the
elements will melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the
works that are therein will be burned up.
.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108294 Jul 12, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Anton LaVey died a Satanist. I think you are a referring to a rumored "deathbed conversion". If that's the case, then it is a classic myth you hear a lot about famous atheists.
Kinda like "no atheists in foxholes", the deathbed confession is a trope of the religiously zealous. They love to tell stories about people "finally coming to their senses" and begging god for mercy.
It's silly and dumb.
Unless you can cite some solid, confirmed evidence. I mean, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But I need you to show me where you're getting this information.
If there are "no atheists in foxholes," then it must also be true that you'll never find a dead Christian in a foxhole who didn't pray that he wasn't going to die.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#108295 Jul 12, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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I have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses for over 40 years and I am not aware of any of the accusations you make! What is your source of information?
May I ask what were you desfelloowshipped for? Evidently you are very bitter and are trying to retaliate.
"Secrets of Pedophilia in an American Religion, Jehovah's Witnesses in Crisis".

http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/docs/jw-se...

Barbara Anderson was a member of Jehovah's Witnesses from 1954 to 1997. She worked at Watchtower's headquarters in Brooklyn, NY, from 1982 to 1992 where during her last three years there, she researched the movement's official history (published in 1993) and did research as well as wrote a number of articles for their Awake! magazine. She has done extensive research on issues related to child sexual abuse in the religion leading to interviews on major TV and radio programs as an outspoken critic of Jehovah's Witnesses sexual abuse policies.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108296 Jul 12, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Anton LaVey died a Satanist. I think you are a referring to a rumored "deathbed conversion". If that's the case, then it is a classic myth you hear a lot about famous atheists.
Kinda like "no atheists in foxholes", the deathbed confession is a trope of the religiously zealous. They love to tell stories about people "finally coming to their senses" and begging god for mercy.
It's silly and dumb.
Unless you can cite some solid, confirmed evidence. I mean, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But I need you to show me where you're getting this information.
Former leading atheist argues for the existence of God
A review of There is a God: How The World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind by Antony Flew with Roy Varghese

. Antony Flew’s rejection of atheism is a nightmare for skeptics, because the most influential atheistic philosopher of the twentieth century is rather harder to dismiss out-of-hand. Flew documents this intellectual process in There is a God.

From atheism to theismWhat I think the DNA material has done is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.—Antony Flew

Flew concentrated on other philosophical areas for the next several decades, only revisiting atheistic topics to debate people based on his previous works. He took part in cordial debates with theists, which included one in 1985 with philosopher and theologian Dr Gary Habermas on the most important reported deed of all, the proposition that Jesus Christ conquered death itself.1 This debate was held in Dallas in front of a crowd of three thousand people. It was judged by two panels of experts from leading American universities: one panel comprised five philosophers who were asked to judge the content of the debate, and the other comprised five professional debate judges who were asked to judge the quality of the arguments.

Four of the five on the philosophers panel voted that Habermas had won, i.e. the case he made for the Resurrection was stronger than Flew’s attempts to refute it, and one scored it a draw. The panel of professional debate judges voted three to two to Habermas.

At the most recent debate in 2004, at New York University, he declared that he ‘now accepted the existence of a God’(p. 74). In that debate, he said that he believed that the origin of life points to a creative Intelligence,

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108297 Jul 12, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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If there are "no atheists in foxholes," then it must also be true that you'll never find a dead Christian in a foxhole who didn't pray that he wasn't going to die.
Yeah. They tend to forget about all the times they prayed for something and it didn't happen. But that one time...that one time they prayed for something and something *kinda* happened is proof.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108298 Jul 12, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Former leading atheist argues for the existence of God
A review of There is a God: How The World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind by Antony Flew with Roy Varghese
. Antony Flew’s rejection of atheism is a nightmare for skeptics, because the most influential atheistic philosopher of the twentieth century is rather harder to dismiss out-of-hand. Flew documents this intellectual process in There is a God.
From atheism to theismWhat I think the DNA material has done is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.—Antony Flew
Flew concentrated on other philosophical areas for the next several decades, only revisiting atheistic topics to debate people based on his previous works. He took part in cordial debates with theists, which included one in 1985 with philosopher and theologian Dr Gary Habermas on the most important reported deed of all, the proposition that Jesus Christ conquered death itself.1 This debate was held in Dallas in front of a crowd of three thousand people. It was judged by two panels of experts from leading American universities: one panel comprised five philosophers who were asked to judge the content of the debate, and the other comprised five professional debate judges who were asked to judge the quality of the arguments.
Four of the five on the philosophers panel voted that Habermas had won, i.e. the case he made for the Resurrection was stronger than Flew’s attempts to refute it, and one scored it a draw. The panel of professional debate judges voted three to two to Habermas.
At the most recent debate in 2004, at New York University, he declared that he ‘now accepted the existence of a God’(p. 74). In that debate, he said that he believed that the origin of life points to a creative Intelligence,
Antony WHO?

I've been an agnostic/atheist my whole life. I am well versed in the modern literature on the subject of skepticism and belief. Until this Antony Flew guy started being lauded by religious nuts I had NEVER HEARD OF HIM.

So he is certainly not the most notorious atheist of the last century. Please. Give me a break. You guys are like schoolyard kids trying to win an "I know you are but what am I" argument.

The guy was a respected philosopher who decided he believed in some kind of higher power toward the end of his life.

So?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#108299 Jul 12, 2013
The Watchtower's View of Charity

By Barbara Anderson

As most of you well know, Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) have never been known for having a charitable spirit, not even towards their own members because charitable acts are not encouraged by their leaders. Rather the message conveyed through this organization’s literature is that the most important thing for members to do is to spend personal time and money to convert non-JWs to their religion. They preach that after God destroys the world, suffering will be done away with so it is not necessary to relieve human suffering now.

http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/research/w...
ProvenScience

London, KY

#108300 Jul 12, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I might add...
Just because one goes to college, doesn't make one a know-it-all!
LOL
True there too (as any HONEST person with a SANE mind would Have to admit to, because as a matter of FACT, the first thing ANY logical sane person would seemingly learn and acknowledge, is how LITTLE "One" person can actually "know" when there is *always* so MUCH to learn about!!)
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108301 Jul 12, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Antony WHO?
I've been an agnostic/atheist my whole life. I am well versed in the modern literature on the subject of skepticism and belief. Until this Antony Flew guy started being lauded by religious nuts I had NEVER HEARD OF HIM.
So he is certainly not the most notorious atheist of the last century. Please. Give me a break. You guys are like schoolyard kids trying to win an "I know you are but what am I" argument.
The guy was a respected philosopher who decided he believed in some kind of higher power toward the end of his life.
So?
Atheist blogger Leah Libresco converts to Christianity

By Louis Casiano, msnbc.com

A prominent atheist blogger says she has converted to Christianity.

Leah Libresco made the announcement on Monday on her Patheos blog, "Unequally Yoked." The blog post, titled "This is my last post for the Patheos Atheist Portal," details how Libresco came to her decision.


She said she struggled with moral law, exploring where it comes from and what's behind it. As an atheist, she states that friends told her that her philosophy was unsustainable.

"I was ready to admit that there were parts of Christianity and Catholicism that seemed like a pretty good match for the bits of my moral system that I was most sure of, while meanwhile my own philosophy was pretty kludged together and not particularly satisfactory," she wrote.

She goes back to the night before Palm Sunday, where after a debate on religion she then had a discussion with a friend about morality.

After a back-and-forth where her friend asked her to make an argument about where moral law comes from, she couldn't think of any. She then realized that it had to come from something like a person or being.

"I believed that the Moral Law wasn’t just a Platonic truth, abstract and distant. It turns out I actually believed it was some kind of Person, as well as Truth. And there was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth," she writes.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#108302 Jul 12, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Mormons also believe in Reformed Egyptian...a language that has never been seen or heard of outside Joseph Smith's brain. So I don't think their Biblical scholarship is...watertight.
Just as plausible as any other belief
GWB

Roseville, CA

#108303 Jul 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Just as plausible as any other belief
Do Mormons believe speaking on tongues "glossolalia" also? If not then why not?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#108304 Jul 12, 2013
correction.. in tongues

Do Mormons believe speaking in tongues "glossolalia" also? If not then why not?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108305 Jul 13, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheist blogger Leah Libresco converts to Christianity
By Louis Casiano, msnbc.com
A prominent atheist blogger says she has converted to Christianity.
Leah Libresco made the announcement on Monday on her Patheos blog, "Unequally Yoked." The blog post, titled "This is my last post for the Patheos Atheist Portal," details how Libresco came to her decision.
She said she struggled with moral law, exploring where it comes from and what's behind it. As an atheist, she states that friends told her that her philosophy was unsustainable.
"I was ready to admit that there were parts of Christianity and Catholicism that seemed like a pretty good match for the bits of my moral system that I was most sure of, while meanwhile my own philosophy was pretty kludged together and not particularly satisfactory," she wrote.
She goes back to the night before Palm Sunday, where after a debate on religion she then had a discussion with a friend about morality.
After a back-and-forth where her friend asked her to make an argument about where moral law comes from, she couldn't think of any. She then realized that it had to come from something like a person or being.
"I believed that the Moral Law wasn’t just a Platonic truth, abstract and distant. It turns out I actually believed it was some kind of Person, as well as Truth. And there was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth," she writes.
OK. So you drop the other discussion and bring up a different one?

If you're trying to prove that some atheists later become religious, then we have no argument. It does happen. You see this sort of thing a lot with people who are confused or whose worldview is not well hashed out.

Studies show that people with firm beliefs actually fare better in terms of psychological health than people with wishy-washy beliefs. In that sense a hardcore Fundie, while insane, is probably happy and emotionally healthy.

But that does not mean god is real. That's an entirely different question. If you are too scared of reality to live without the fairy tale of religion then by all means embrace your faith. I don't care.

Just don't vote idiots into office who want to gut the teaching of science or shove their version of god down my throat. That's all.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108306 Jul 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Just as plausible as any other belief
In a sense, if we're talking about supernatural beliefs, you are correct. It is no more crazy to believe that Smith was shown to an ancient document by a magical creature than it is to believe that a superpowerful being created the world in 6 days.

But if we juxtapose these beliefs against the actual evidence and a realistic worldview they do in fact pale by comparison.

I believe Smith was a fraud. My belief is far more plausible than your belief because it does not introduce magic. We know frauds exist, we do not know angels exist. And there is no such thing as Reformed Egyptian.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108307 Jul 13, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. So you drop the other discussion and bring up a different one?
If you're trying to prove that some atheists later become religious, then we have no argument. It does happen. You see this sort of thing a lot with people who are confused or whose worldview is not well hashed out.
Studies show that people with firm beliefs actually fare better in terms of psychological health than people with wishy-washy beliefs. In that sense a hardcore Fundie, while insane, is probably happy and emotionally healthy.
But that does not mean god is real. That's an entirely different question. If you are too scared of reality to live without the fairy tale of religion then by all means embrace your faith. I don't care.
Just don't vote idiots into office who want to gut the teaching of science or shove their version of god down my throat. That's all.
God is real whether you believe in him or not.
The inane rantings of Atheists,hoping that by such,they can make God disaooear,are fruitless.
I believe that Christ is the son of God.
I believe he died for our sins,I believe God brought him back to life.
Christ said it and the Apostles were witnesses.
The Gospels tells their version of the events that they experienced...
They have no reason to have lied or to have made up those events.
We are not basing our beliefs on nonwitnessed events that supposedly occured billions of years ago someplace on earth that no one can identify,either the time,place or the circumstances..
You can go on deceiving yourself about how nothing can make something out of nothing.
I will go through this life believing that my God lives and that through Christ all was created.

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