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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 161230 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#103780 May 16, 2013
The time life begins is supported medically,(scientifically if you must) it has nothing to do with religious belief in reality. Sorry, but a pregnant Atheist woman is just as pregnant the next morning as any God believing woman. Like it or not. In about 10 days or so, depending on her cycle length both women will begin to wonder "Could I be"?

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#103781 May 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Since the fetus is not technically alive until a certain point, it is not homicide until that point.
Just not True... You kick a woman in the belly and kill the Fetus at 2 weeks gestation and you will be arrested, tried and convicted of Homicide.... If it wasn't Human you would only be charged with Assault with bodily harm... The Fact that You can be charged with Homicide sets the precedent of being a Human Being... As Homicide is by Definition the Killing of a Human Being by another Human Being...

There are people in Jail for Homicide of a Fetus as early as 3 weeks gestation... If they are not Alive how can you charge someone for killing it?
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#103782 May 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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Maybe you should start by
1)Stating whether you are a believer and what you believe in
2) Atheist /Agnostic
3) Other
and provide us with your answer to those questions
Then,have the AA's answer the questions,just in case they've had a change of mind.
Porta Fa Ala radeskanz LOL
Maybe, but I have far more questions than answers. I have little wisdom to spread and prefer to defer to those who have been blessed with an abundance. Iím guessing you have lots of answers, but avoid sharing them for some reason.
GWB

Rancho Cordova, CA

#103783 May 16, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There is no recycling of the spirit. If a child dies before born, he or she still obtained that body. Since obtaining a body is one of the reasons that we chose to come to earth, then that part of that child's mission is over. One of the other reasons that we choose to come to earth is to have our faith in God tested. This child's faith was so strong that it's Faith did not need to be tested. They do not however, have the experience of living life on earth. There are many things on this earth that we learn that this child would not have the opportunity to learn.
Does that mean that a women that intentionally aborts a fetus it was because of the child's faith that caused the women to do so and thereby the child is not recycled back into another female? Is that correct?
GWB

Rancho Cordova, CA

#103784 May 16, 2013
Genesis 38:24

Tamar's pregnancy was discovered three months after conception, presumably because it was visible at that time. This was positive proof that she had been sexually active.

Because she was a widow, without a husband, she was assumed to be a prostitute. Her father-in-law Judah ordered that she be burned alive for her crime.

If Tamar's twin fetuses had been considered to be human beings, one would have expected her execution would have been delayed until after their birth. There was no condemnation on Judah for deciding to take this action.

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#103785 May 16, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>Does that mean that a women that intentionally aborts a fetus it was because of the child's faith that caused the women to do so and thereby the child is not recycled back into another female? Is that correct?
No, the child's faith did not cause the mother to do anything. The Father knows the mother's intent and would choose to place the child that did not need to be tested in that mother's body. Whether the Father knew beforehand that the mother would definitely abort or not, I don't know. I don't know the mind of God. I know He knows us better than we know ourselves though.
GWB

Rancho Cordova, CA

#103787 May 16, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No, the child's faith did not cause the mother to do anything. The Father knows the mother's intent and would choose to place the child that did not need to be tested in that mother's body. Whether the Father knew beforehand that the mother would definitely abort or not, I don't know. I don't know the mind of God. I know He knows us better than we know ourselves though.
Why would he choose a child that did not need to be tested in that mother's body?

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Since: Dec 11

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#103789 May 16, 2013
do whut wrote:
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A fertilized egg buries itself in the uterine wall and immediately begins to rob the mother of nutrients. This means it is a living organism. Some people may call it a parasite. Even so, this definition means it would have to be a living organism.
This gets us into some highly technical, uncertain territory...but the other poster was asking you basically to define life.

Sounds easy, right?

Science, the thing that tells us about reality, hasn't even settled on a precise definition of life. For example, is a virus alive?
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#103790 May 16, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
The time life begins is supported medically,(scientifically if you must) it has nothing to do with religious belief in reality. Sorry, but a pregnant Atheist woman is just as pregnant the next morning as any God believing woman. Like it or not. In about 10 days or so, depending on her cycle length both women will begin to wonder "Could I be"?
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my motherís womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#103791 May 16, 2013
kuda wrote:
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Maybe, but I have far more questions than answers. I have little wisdom to spread and prefer to defer to those who have been blessed with an abundance. Iím guessing you have lots of answers, but avoid sharing them for some reason.
ďA man who flatters his neighbor spreads a net for his feet.Ē

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#103792 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It is a living organism at conception. At that point it is a fertilized egg That continues to develop into a human without assistance other than nutrients that it gains from the mother.
No one has the right to name the exact time when it becomes a lot. However if you can show me proof that this fertilized egg does not become a human, maybe then I will listen.
It is a child. There is absolutely no difference in killing a birth four-year-old child than an unborn child.
A mother deciding that she does not want to keep this child that is not born should be treated no differently from a mother who chooses to no longer keep her four-year-old because she doesn't want him/her anymore
You do realize that you are not basing this on science at all, right? Just your emotional "feelings."

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103793 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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I believe that this insatiable desire that you Atheists have,constantly making God a topic of conversation and constantly addressing the subject of faith,as if in search of something..
You may find the answer to your insatiable inquisitiveness by reading the findings of Sigmund Freud
By your reasoning, you are searching for atheism.
So you ignore the reasons I gave and came up with your own theory and conclusion. Why did you bother asking me?
If I were searching for god, do you think I am going to be persuaded by someone who believes nothing I say? Do yo think I am going to be persuaded by someone who demeans science so much?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103794 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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I have not asked,nor do I need ,for you to tell me about blind belief. I am not afflicted by it,YOU ARE
Well,I would not call it blind,the appropriate word would be FOOLISH
I don't believe zeus ever existed,therefore I do not waste my time talking about something I do not believe in,,unlike you and the other Atheists....
If,I were constantly challenging Zeus existence,given that I do not believe he ever existed,could lead to some people questioing my sanity, or concluding as Freud did,that my subconscious is sending me a message
So you do not understand what examples are? Now how could you possibly think we would ever be convinced of god by someone who cannot comprehend examples?
I do not believe a god of any sort ever existed, so it the example fits. You do not believe in Zeus, and I do not believe in your god.

So if most everyone around you believed in Zeus, you would not challenge that belief? Funny, you sit here challenging all beliefs or non beliefs other than yours. Do you know what a hypocrite is or means?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103795 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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When one expresses himself in explicit terms,the responses one receives are indicative as to whether you were correctly understood.
The responses on this website,specifically those of the Atheists and so called ,former believers,has left no doubt in my mind,that they are totally misinformed and are unequipped to understand the topics that I address.
Their non related answers speak volumes.
They keep regurgitating the same canned propaganda,keep asking for the same evidence and keep complaining once they get it
So,it matters not how they are addressed,they will not understand.
Now,that I know of,you have seldom responded to anything I posted,under the name KUDA,other than today...
And keep in mind,many times ,Ichoose not to respond.....
Continuously responding to the same repetitive gibberish and nonsense often espoused here gets rather stale and boring...
So you wish to convert us stupid atheists by giving us answers that make no sense?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103796 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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Just as our Lord did not forbid us from discerning the character of fools, the Book of Proverbs commends this assessment as a necessity for those who would be wise. Several reasons are given for the need to discern between those who are fools and those who are wise.
1. TO ASSOCIATE WITH FOOLS IS BOTH UNWISE AND UNPLEASANT. To some degree folly is contagious, and association with a fool tends to diminish our ability to discern truth from error and wisdom from folly.
Leave the presence of a fool, Or you will not discern words of knowledge (14:7).
He cuts off his own feet, and drinks violence Who sends a message by the hand of a fool (26:6).
Proverbs offers hope to parents that foolishness can be cured if detected early and disciplined diligently.
4. FOOLS MUST BE DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY THAN THOSE WHO ARE WISE. We cannot deal with all men in the same way. Our response to people must be based on the kind of character they have demonstrated.
He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, lest he hate you, Reprove a wise man, and he will love you (9:7-8).
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, Lest he be wise in his own eyes (26:4-5).
These considerations necessitate discerning the character of others and, in particular, that of a fool. Not only will we be able to see foolishness in others as a result of our study in Proverbs, we will also see a greater measure of it in ourselves. May God enable us to be honest with ourselves, to confess our foolishness, 2 and to forsake it as sinful and destructive, both to ourselves and to others.
Characteristics of A Fool
It is much easier to identify a fool in terms of what he is not than in terms of what he is. Notice the following characteristics of the fool as the Book of Proverbs describes him.
1. THE FOOL IS UNRIGHTEOUS. The fool hates what is holy, righteous, and good, and he loves evil.
Desire realized is sweet to the soul, But it is an abomination to fools to depart from evil (13:19).
Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool; And so is wisdom to a man of understanding (10:23).
Fools mock at sin, But among the upright there is good will (14:9).
2. THE FOOL IS UNWISE. Throughout Proverbs the fool is the counterpart of the wise. Wisdom is contrasted with folly. The fool does not possess wisdom, cannot obtain wisdom, and would not obtain it if he could.
THE FOOL DOES NOT POSSESS WISDOM;
You have already made it clear we are foolish in your eyes, so why do you keep posting here?

I see these writings as propaganda. It is a tactic to keep you from learning opposing ideas.
I am sure every terrorist of the religious sort follows this teaching. They must stay in their box in order to keep faith. They do not understand how brainwashing works. You clearly do not understand how brainwashing works.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103797 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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Gee,The Atheists find me boring,stupid and Moronic.
Still in all,they keep asking me the same question,knowing I will provide the same answer, They ask the same question again,I provide them with the same answer again...
They keep going around in circles,,,,Like they are either missing something, and are trying to find it or, they found something they are unable to understand.
Maybe if you could identify what your mind may be telling you to look for,you would know what it is,once you found it.
The fact that,you keep seeking diligently,is a good sign.
Seek and YE shall find....
You claim we are already seeking. So why are we not finding?

You called us stupid and repetitive just a post or two ago, yet you still post here.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103798 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There is no recycling of the spirit. If a child dies before born, he or she still obtained that body. Since obtaining a body is one of the reasons that we chose to come to earth, then that part of that child's mission is over. One of the other reasons that we choose to come to earth is to have our faith in God tested. This child's faith was so strong that it's Faith did not need to be tested. They do not however, have the experience of living life on earth. There are many things on this earth that we learn that this child would not have the opportunity to learn.
So what of the many fetuses that naturally abort? Many, if not most women have at least one miscarriage in their lives.
So if you believe god is controlling nature, do you blame god for miscarriages?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103799 May 17, 2013
GWB wrote:
Genesis 38:24
Tamar's pregnancy was discovered three months after conception, presumably because it was visible at that time. This was positive proof that she had been sexually active.
Because she was a widow, without a husband, she was assumed to be a prostitute. Her father-in-law Judah ordered that she be burned alive for her crime.
If Tamar's twin fetuses had been considered to be human beings, one would have expected her execution would have been delayed until after their birth. There was no condemnation on Judah for deciding to take this action.
The OT god had different standards than Jesus. This contradiction is ignored by all Christians.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103800 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No, the child's faith did not cause the mother to do anything. The Father knows the mother's intent and would choose to place the child that did not need to be tested in that mother's body. Whether the Father knew beforehand that the mother would definitely abort or not, I don't know. I don't know the mind of God. I know He knows us better than we know ourselves though.
Then why would a god allow for the women to be pregnant? If he is putting a soul in this body with the foreknowledge it is to die before birth, what could be the reason?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103801 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It is a living organism at conception. At that point it is a fertilized egg That continues to develop into a human without assistance other than nutrients that it gains from the mother.
No one has the right to name the exact time when it becomes a lot. However if you can show me proof that this fertilized egg does not become a human, maybe then I will listen.
It is a child. There is absolutely no difference in killing a birth four-year-old child than an unborn child.
A mother deciding that she does not want to keep this child that is not born should be treated no differently from a mother who chooses to no longer keep her four-year-old because she doesn't want him/her anymore
So the fetus or zygote should be removed from the mother and put in a foster home?

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