Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,417

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#100715 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So lets say that what Moses wrote was his interpretation of the vision that was given him and it may not be exactly how it happened. What if the matter that God used was from another, or several other planets that had dissipated? That's the thought that I have had on the matter.
There are some problems with this.

1) According to all the Modern Bible Scholars, Moses could not possibly have authored any of the books of the Bible. And the Pentateuch, the first books of Genesis, were in fact authored by several different sources. So whose vision is being written about? On what authority are they assumed to be true?

2) Your version of God is more like a space superhero. He isn't all powerful, and you've said this before. He is just powerful. That idea undermines the entire Christian faith. The Bible claims that God is basically the be-all-end-all and you need him to be that powerful or else we can easily doubt the entire matter. Once you say that God doesn't know everything or can't do everything then why would we assume that any particular part of the Bible is speaking truth? Why would we assume God has any power over death? Your version of God robs him of all that and leaves behind a sort of Stan Lee/Jack Kirby type character.

And I don't think you have much of a reason to think that way. I think that you have just enough doubt that you are seeking a way to rationalize the crunchy bits of your faith that don't make sense. I say that speculatively, of course, but if its true then please keep digging away!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100716 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Good point-a climb out onto Pangea would probably be a far more logical answer.
Pangea broke apart hundreds of millions of years ago, so the timeline does not fit.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100717 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So lets say that what Moses wrote was his interpretation of the vision that was given him and it may not be exactly how it happened. What if the matter that God used was from another, or several other planets that had dissipated? That's the thought that I have had on the matter.
Well when you have a book that billions declare is absolutely perfect in every way, this is a serious problem. For example, if one of your prophets claims homosexuality is an abomination and he never actually got that memo from a god and you think it is a memo from a god, then you might very well discriminate upon the homosexuals due to gross error.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100718 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Faith does not require logic. It requires absence of logic.
Tell that to the MANY known scientists over time, who have easily and knowingly had the actual ability and rationality, and to have been of intelligence enough, to have possessed BOTH character traits.

Don't like the way I write MY opinions-don't read them, and do NOT even begin to try and force your OWN lamebrainedness of your own mere opinions on me,because it won't work, as I tend to scoff BS, right back at BS-ers.

Because I, like many OTHERS, do NOT need ANYONE else, to tell us what OUR OWN opinions are!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#100719 Apr 24, 2013
curious wrote:
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I like this parable,very appropriate as to why Pharissees refused to believe in him,In spite of the miracles that Jesus performed in their midst,which they could not deny,but attributed the\m to Beelzebub
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him,‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied,‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered,‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied,‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said,‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him,‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
Great point!
Probably the same reason most miracles today are private ones, and not the parting of the sea type things!
I know what Christ did with me, and every man be a liar, as I know the truth!
I would like for them all to have a "God" experience, and come back here, and tell their stories!
Amen!
God Bless :-)
How stupid can you be

Richmond, KY

#100720 Apr 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
So if prophets are just people, then why follow their commands as if they were words from a god? Did god say homosexuality is an abomination or was that just another flawed human some called a prophet?
Can you answer this? If not, then just say so.
Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100721 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Tell that to the MANY known scientists over time, who have easily and knowingly had the actual ability and rationality, and to have been of intelligence enough, to have possessed BOTH character traits.
Are you so dense that you believe they wouldn't agree with me?? Don't be stupid. I promise I know more than you, and they all do agree with me. A few of them go to church.

And those are not character traits, by the way. Do you really think faith is a "character trait"? No. Regardless of character, a person can have faith in something, and the same person can apply logic... but not to the same thing. Because they are mutually exclusive.
TruthIs wrote:
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Don't like the way I write MY opinions-don't read them, and do NOT even begin to try and force your OWN lamebrainedness of your own mere opinions on me,because it won't work, as I tend to scoff BS, right back at BS-ers.
Because I, like many OTHERS, do NOT need ANYONE else, to tell us what OUR OWN opinions are!
I don't care what your opinions are. The ones that are legible are stupid, and I'm sure the others would be similar if you took the time to form proper sentences to describe them. The whole point was that nobody can read your crap because you aren't properly utilizing your native language. But you're right that it's totally your prerogative to continue writing like you're brain damaged.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#100722 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I believe that our surroundings and our experiences, in conjunction with the way we were raised, shapes who we become.
For example, one of my friends that is gay was badly picked on all through school. He grew up poor and did not have access to running water. The bullies capitalized and made his life tough until he got out of school. Once he started working and earning money, he moved away. But of course this stuck with him and he had a lot of social problems. He couldn't talk to girls because he got so nervous around them. He worked with mostly guys and he could always talk more openly with guys because he could be himself and not worry about impressing them. One of the guys that he worked with let it be known that he was gay, and over the course of about 5 years, they formed a relationship.
He said he is still more attracted to girls, but feels more comfortable around guys. He has no problem saying he wasn't born gay. In his case, it could be said that this was a choice. But it certainly doesn't seem like a cognizant choice that he made. It seems like he became a victim of his childhood.
That's how most of them are! They become comfortable in it, and then feel they are trapped into it... Christ brings freedom from that, and every other sin! Amen!
FluffyBunnyFuFu

Hazard, KY

#100723 Apr 24, 2013
Has FAITH, that frozen water au` naturale can be a mineral, based upon the internet AND LOGIC, of other pre-hypothesis evidentiary FACTS, of a scientific nature!

Aye-men.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100724 Apr 24, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Great point!
Probably the same reason most miracles today are private ones, and not the parting of the sea type things!
"Private" miracles? Please. Can you name a single "private" miracle that cannot be explained through normal processes or random chance? I didn't think so. Because there are no miracles.
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!
There are plenty of other places to stick a penis that can be fun for both parties and are completely harmless. Those are all "abominations"?

No, they aren't. Abusing a child, sexually or otherwise, is an "abomination". Destroying a child's ability to think by forcing dogma on them is an "abomination". Condemning an entire group of people that aren't hurting anyone simply for being the way they were born to be is an "abomination".
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100725 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Are you so dense that you believe they wouldn't agree with me?? I am stupid. I promise I Delusion I know more than you, and they all do agree with me. A few of them go to church.
But you're right, that it's totally my prerogative to continue writing like I'm brain damaged.
Pardon, but that whomever "agreeing with you" statement just doesn't logic out to anything near rational, as I was referencing deceased ones, like Einstien and MANY, many others. Do they often speak to you, and attend church from their graves?

The rest of your post above however, with some edits to bettter represent reality, I would agree with however.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100726 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Your own words were:
It is possible for FAITH AND LOGIC, to exist rationally, within the same "vessel".
Yes, I DO believe it is.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#100727 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Those devoid of anything else, fall back(wards) to that kind a lot.
Just like terrorists-the stuff that Ugly and vile is made of.
Best just to avoid those kinds-like the black plague that they spew.
True!
Attacks on all side for being right, and good!
Holding to morals above the minimal!
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100728 Apr 24, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Killing innocent people is what you call good? Wow, you are vile.
You must be confusing us peaceable, decent types, with the vile, name-calling, haters of others opinion, witch hunting, accusatory types.
Harming others in any way, form or fashion, is NOT something I "believe" in. Not at all.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#100729 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
You misunderstood the poster's intent. He (or she?) said: "God destroyed my faith with the brain he gave me, and he always knew that I would use my brain in this way. I was created to do exactly that. So, was I created to be damned? Am I to be punished for how God made me?" These are rhetorical questions. That is, the poster is not asserting that God *literally* created him with a brain. He is asking the question IF God created me, THEN he created me with this brain. Therefore he created me with the very tool that would make it impossible for me to believe in him. Atheism is a result of skepticism, or it is not really atheism at all. And skepticism is a result of applying reason to what we observe in the world and what we think about it. The opposite is allowing emotion to steer. Faith is based on emotion, not reason. There is a place for emotion. I would argue that emotion is sort of the reason to have reason. Otherwise what are you really doing? But if you let emotion lead the way you will go down dead end alleys all the time.
I disagree, faith isn't "based on emotion, not reason". Faith isn't reason but faith isn't emotion either. Faith is belief.

Thought doesn't exclude faith. There's nothing in the human brain that makes it immune to assumption or belief.
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#100730 Apr 24, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>There are no (0) commandments as there is no god to give them in the first place.
You keep proving God, and the Bible to be true with EVERY post... Keep up the 'GOOD' work!
Thanks!
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100731 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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It is a subtle jab at our Mormon friends:
"The Book of Mormon tells of the resurrected Jesus Christ and His visit to His faithful followers in ancient America. After His visits to His disciples in the Old World, He descended out of heaven and appeared to His followers in ancient America.
The Book of Mormon describes how, during His visit, Jesus Christ healed their sick, taught them His gospel, blessed their children, and called twelve disciples to organize His Church in the Americas (3 Nephi 11:18; 3 Nephi 12:1-2)."
Also, I have read about plate tectonics. I am not a scientist so I have not studied the matter in the proper sense. Why do you ask?
Ah. Having not read the BOM much to any depth at all, I can honestly say, I do NOT know much of anything concerning the history on origins of the beliefs of.
Jesus sounds like he was a nice human being in their book as well though, from what you have posted.

There are still many depths of oceans (even aside from more easily, accessible, ever shifting plates) that we have yet to scientifically explore, to their fullest potential.
Sasha

Glasgow, KY

#100732 Apr 24, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!
Something simple for your mind; can you please explain to me concerning the nature of animals thet are "GAY"???? I have friends that farm and repeatedly have purchased bulls that were undoubtedly "gay",
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100733 Apr 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Pangea broke apart hundreds of millions of years ago, so the timeline does not fit.
Not in THAT particular book, which just covers THAT particular millenium.

(That's kind of like tossing out reading about..oh say...the Civil War...because it's 2013, so it "doesn't apply" now. MMMmmm...non...that does not compute-logically!!).
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100734 Apr 24, 2013
what wrote:
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and once again u think u know me and u have no clue so i will tell u why i know so much about the bible and its not cuz i sit and read it just so i can try to disprove it. i was at one time a church goer too. my parents and grandparents took me to church every sunday and guess what....i did believe at one time just as u do. i also gave a sermon or two when i was younger but as i began to read more and more of the bible so that i could be there for others seeking god and know answers for questions and things. but as i learned more and more of how the god of the old testament was and began to question things the whole religion seemed to fall flat of its face without any kind of sense of logic or rational. i think the whole story is just a feel good story so ppl dont have to realize that when u die u are dead, u are not special in this universe, u are just a speck of nothing on one small rock in a universe so vast that if it were created the god would be doin alot more things than just watching all of us on this little rock. and i dont see any creator makin something then torturing it forever for not being a slave to it, or atleast dont see a "loving" creator that the bible claims to have as one that would think torture for eternity is just for anything. and the only reason i come here and tell these things is that maybe i can save someone from a life of slavery like the church wants them to live. u only get one go at so u should enjoy it in any way u want as long as u arent hurtin anyone else. no one should be afraid that if they masturbate they will burn in hell for eternity.....lmao that is the kind of stupidity that religion brings to the ppl of this earth. another example of stupidity from faith.....suicide bombers for allah. good ppl do good things and bad ppl do bad things but it takes a god to make good ppl do bad things.
Glad you shared your thoughts with me and I feel badly regarding your experiences.
I'm retired. I worked in sales,so I was continuously dealing with people that were my clients.
It is my opinion that many of the problems we face in life ,are self made.
That opinion is based on dealing with people at work,with friends,relatives,neighbors, at play and my personal experiences

Siblings will fight over an inheritance,we develop attitudes toward people that don't think as we do,we scheme to get ahead,we steal,lie and connive and the list goes on. These attitudes create in us,anger,worry,
bitterness and impatience, which in turn,is reflected in the manner we conduct our lives
We let our emotions control us,
Then,we claim to be good,in spite of all of our faults,whatever they may be.
That is our human nature at work,I know that to be true,not just because I have observed it in others,I am guilty of such behaviour as well.
Since you have read the Bible,then you must be aware as to how I have dealt with that problem .
My experiences with God are quite different from yours.
As a result,we will,no doubt,continue to disagree....
My desire is that,hopefully,some event will occur in your life,that will lead you to a different conclusion.

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