Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the Feb 10, 2010, The Courier-Journal story titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100728 Apr 24, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Killing innocent people is what you call good? Wow, you are vile.
You must be confusing us peaceable, decent types, with the vile, name-calling, haters of others opinion, witch hunting, accusatory types.
Harming others in any way, form or fashion, is NOT something I "believe" in. Not at all.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#100729 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
You misunderstood the poster's intent. He (or she?) said: "God destroyed my faith with the brain he gave me, and he always knew that I would use my brain in this way. I was created to do exactly that. So, was I created to be damned? Am I to be punished for how God made me?" These are rhetorical questions. That is, the poster is not asserting that God *literally* created him with a brain. He is asking the question IF God created me, THEN he created me with this brain. Therefore he created me with the very tool that would make it impossible for me to believe in him. Atheism is a result of skepticism, or it is not really atheism at all. And skepticism is a result of applying reason to what we observe in the world and what we think about it. The opposite is allowing emotion to steer. Faith is based on emotion, not reason. There is a place for emotion. I would argue that emotion is sort of the reason to have reason. Otherwise what are you really doing? But if you let emotion lead the way you will go down dead end alleys all the time.
I disagree, faith isn't "based on emotion, not reason". Faith isn't reason but faith isn't emotion either. Faith is belief.

Thought doesn't exclude faith. There's nothing in the human brain that makes it immune to assumption or belief.
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#100730 Apr 24, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>There are no (0) commandments as there is no god to give them in the first place.
You keep proving God, and the Bible to be true with EVERY post... Keep up the 'GOOD' work!
Thanks!
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100731 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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It is a subtle jab at our Mormon friends:
"The Book of Mormon tells of the resurrected Jesus Christ and His visit to His faithful followers in ancient America. After His visits to His disciples in the Old World, He descended out of heaven and appeared to His followers in ancient America.
The Book of Mormon describes how, during His visit, Jesus Christ healed their sick, taught them His gospel, blessed their children, and called twelve disciples to organize His Church in the Americas (3 Nephi 11:18; 3 Nephi 12:1-2)."
Also, I have read about plate tectonics. I am not a scientist so I have not studied the matter in the proper sense. Why do you ask?
Ah. Having not read the BOM much to any depth at all, I can honestly say, I do NOT know much of anything concerning the history on origins of the beliefs of.
Jesus sounds like he was a nice human being in their book as well though, from what you have posted.

There are still many depths of oceans (even aside from more easily, accessible, ever shifting plates) that we have yet to scientifically explore, to their fullest potential.
Sasha

Glasgow, KY

#100732 Apr 24, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!
Something simple for your mind; can you please explain to me concerning the nature of animals thet are "GAY"???? I have friends that farm and repeatedly have purchased bulls that were undoubtedly "gay",
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100733 Apr 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Pangea broke apart hundreds of millions of years ago, so the timeline does not fit.
Not in THAT particular book, which just covers THAT particular millenium.

(That's kind of like tossing out reading about..oh say...the Civil War...because it's 2013, so it "doesn't apply" now. MMMmmm...non...that does not compute-logically!!).
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100734 Apr 24, 2013
what wrote:
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and once again u think u know me and u have no clue so i will tell u why i know so much about the bible and its not cuz i sit and read it just so i can try to disprove it. i was at one time a church goer too. my parents and grandparents took me to church every sunday and guess what....i did believe at one time just as u do. i also gave a sermon or two when i was younger but as i began to read more and more of the bible so that i could be there for others seeking god and know answers for questions and things. but as i learned more and more of how the god of the old testament was and began to question things the whole religion seemed to fall flat of its face without any kind of sense of logic or rational. i think the whole story is just a feel good story so ppl dont have to realize that when u die u are dead, u are not special in this universe, u are just a speck of nothing on one small rock in a universe so vast that if it were created the god would be doin alot more things than just watching all of us on this little rock. and i dont see any creator makin something then torturing it forever for not being a slave to it, or atleast dont see a "loving" creator that the bible claims to have as one that would think torture for eternity is just for anything. and the only reason i come here and tell these things is that maybe i can save someone from a life of slavery like the church wants them to live. u only get one go at so u should enjoy it in any way u want as long as u arent hurtin anyone else. no one should be afraid that if they masturbate they will burn in hell for eternity.....lmao that is the kind of stupidity that religion brings to the ppl of this earth. another example of stupidity from faith.....suicide bombers for allah. good ppl do good things and bad ppl do bad things but it takes a god to make good ppl do bad things.
Glad you shared your thoughts with me and I feel badly regarding your experiences.
I'm retired. I worked in sales,so I was continuously dealing with people that were my clients.
It is my opinion that many of the problems we face in life ,are self made.
That opinion is based on dealing with people at work,with friends,relatives,neighbors, at play and my personal experiences

Siblings will fight over an inheritance,we develop attitudes toward people that don't think as we do,we scheme to get ahead,we steal,lie and connive and the list goes on. These attitudes create in us,anger,worry,
bitterness and impatience, which in turn,is reflected in the manner we conduct our lives
We let our emotions control us,
Then,we claim to be good,in spite of all of our faults,whatever they may be.
That is our human nature at work,I know that to be true,not just because I have observed it in others,I am guilty of such behaviour as well.
Since you have read the Bible,then you must be aware as to how I have dealt with that problem .
My experiences with God are quite different from yours.
As a result,we will,no doubt,continue to disagree....
My desire is that,hopefully,some event will occur in your life,that will lead you to a different conclusion.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100735 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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No. Regardless of character, a person can have faith in something, and the same person can apply logic... but not to the same thing. Because they are mutually exclusive.
Might want to make up your mind on that...?

You either believe faith and logic can and often do harmoniously exist (as I personally believe they do-and have stated MANY, many times) OR, you do NOT believe that people can and often do, have faith AND logic, with out issue, as YOU have stated many times.

Which is it? Or do you just enjoy being representative of contrariness?
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#100736 Apr 24, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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While I don't disagree with the idea that Modern man may have ties to Africa I do have a problem with attempting to use DNA as a reference source because during the bottle neck as the last ice age ended we lost a good 70 to 80% of the human genome and the remainder is so limited in diversity that assuming a Afrocentric ascension is doubtful....
Hahahaha...
that flood had a major effect....

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100737 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>I believe that our surroundings and our experiences, in conjunction with the way we were raised, shapes who we become.
For example, one of my friends that is gay was badly picked on all through school. He grew up poor and did not have access to running water. The bullies capitalized and made his life tough until he got out of school. Once he started working and earning money, he moved away. But of course this stuck with him and he had a lot of social problems. He couldn't talk to girls because he got so nervous around them. He worked with mostly guys and he could always talk more openly with guys because he could be himself and not worry about impressing them. One of the guys that he worked with let it be known that he was gay, and over the course of about 5 years, they formed a relationship.
He said he is still more attracted to girls, but feels more comfortable around guys. He has no problem saying he wasn't born gay. In his case, it could be said that this was a choice. But it certainly doesn't seem like a cognizant choice that he made. It seems like he became a victim of his childhood.
You are describing a bisexual. Not a straight person (despite what both of you apparently think). Besides, sexual attraction is not black and white. It's a spectrum. Anyone that is all the way on the "straight" side cannot have a sexual relationship with another of the same sex. It causes overwhelming revulsion.
FluffyBunnyFuFu wrote:
Has FAITH, that frozen water au` naturale can be a mineral, based upon the internet AND LOGIC, of other pre-hypothesis evidentiary FACTS, of a scientific nature!
Aye-men.
Are you intentionally writing poorly or just stupid?
TruthIs wrote:
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Pardon, but that whomever "agreeing with you" statement just doesn't logic out to anything near rational, as I was referencing deceased ones, like Einstien and MANY, many others. Do they often speak to you, and attend church from their graves?
The rest of your post above however, with some edits to bettter represent reality, I would agree with however.
Want to know the best way to look like a desperate moron that has been beaten? Ignore two full posts of points, change quotes, and maintain the same stupid and already refuted position. Oh, and try to be as insulting as possible. Keep it up! You're doing great!

I know that you're a waste of my time, by the way. You're really just a form of entertainment for myself and others with properly functioning brains. I shake my head at the pure insanity of your posting content and style. But I still laugh. So I continue interacting in hope of future laughs.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree, faith isn't "based on emotion, not reason". Faith isn't reason but faith isn't emotion either. Faith is belief.
Thought doesn't exclude faith. There's nothing in the human brain that makes it immune to assumption or belief.
No, I'm quite sure they were correct. Faith is emotion based. You believe something because you WANT to, not because it's actually true. Wants are emotion based. Unless you can come up with one that I'm not aware of, I'm pretty sure that there is no non-emotion based reason to have faith in anything.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100738 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that'd be a bit of a stretch, considering there's quite a few other archeological items of interest that lend credence to the possible existences of more than just one person as having contributed to the writings.
(For an example of rambling "clinical" hollow BS derived out of responding to vain BSing, please see my prior post LOL)
"archaeological items of interest" concerning the book of Revelation? Multiple authors? I think you are very likely grasping for the wrong conclusions from the available data.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#100739 Apr 24, 2013
Sure wrote:
I think this would be a wonderful thing. I believe the children who want to study the bible and learn about our savoir Jesus Christ should be able to. If you do not wish to learn about Jesus you don't have to attend this study. Just an idea. We have allowed athiest ect.. To have the final say for to long. It's time Christians took a stand. Jesus will not push himself on anyone. The teaching should be available for the
Ones who want to learn.
Great post!
The ratings on the mini series 'The Bible' prove people are in need of knowledge about things science cannot ever explain!
God Bless :-)
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100740 Apr 24, 2013
curious wrote:
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These attitudes create in us,anger,worry,
bitterness and impatience, which in turn,is reflected in the manner we conduct our lives
We let our emotions control us...
And that is often when, for many, any actual LOGIC, goes out the proverbial window.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100741 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are describing a bisexual. Not a straight person (despite what both of you apparently think). Besides, sexual attraction is not black and white. It's a spectrum. Anyone that is all the way on the "straight" side cannot have a sexual relationship with another of the same sex. It causes overwhelming revulsion.
<quoted text>
Are you intentionally writing poorly or just stupid?
<quoted text>
Want to know the best way to look like a desperate moron that has been beaten? Ignore two full posts of points, change quotes, and maintain the same stupid and already refuted position. Oh, and try to be as insulting as possible. Keep it up! You're doing great!
I know that you're a waste of my time, by the way. You're really just a form of entertainment for myself and others with properly functioning brains. I shake my head at the pure insanity of your posting content and style. But I still laugh. So I continue interacting in hope of future laughs.
<quoted text>
No, I'm quite sure they were correct. Faith is emotion based. You believe something because you WANT to, not because it's actually true. Wants are emotion based. Unless you can come up with one that I'm not aware of, I'm pretty sure that there is no non-emotion based reason to have faith in anything.
Frozen water au naturale CAN be classified as a mineral because......

Scientfic FACT says so, and I have FAITH (NOT based on any "emotion" however) in that FACT.

That simple enough for you to comprende?

Nice try however, stumpy.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#100742 Apr 24, 2013
Guardian Angel wrote:
If you believe God give you that Brain,just believeing that proves you have faith.If you believe God made you that way ,therefore you have faith.God gave us all free will.
At about 9, I heard of God, and Jesus...
I believed in my heart it was true, but was lead away!
Forty years later, I got to know God, and Christ all over again...
He said He never left me, and it was I that left Him!
All I did against Him, He still Loved me!
It's Amazing what Truth you see, when your eyes are opened!
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100743 Apr 24, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"archaeological items of interest" concerning the book of Revelation? Multiple authors? I think you are very likely grasping for the wrong conclusions from the available data.
What was the original statement/question of that particular point debate again?
It would've been kind of Illchronilogically illogical to put the book of Revelations in the middle of the books of the New Testament? I would agree lol.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#100744 Apr 24, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Killing innocent people is what you call good? Wow, you are vile.
What people are you talking about?
The ones (many) that burned their children in bonfires to other gods, or the ones today that kill 1.4 million Babies because they WANT to hump around like animals?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100745 Apr 24, 2013
AuNaturale wrote:
<quoted text>
A chapter of the book with some of The most thought provoking metaphors of the ages.
Could've been a metaphorologist, for all we REALLY know, for certain!!
This is your 'defense' of the Book of Revelation?
"for all we REALLY know," does not entertain any relationship with metaphors. For all we REALLY know, it was written by a false prophet, a madman or even by Satan himself, as none of its prophecies (excuse me - METAPHORS) have conclusively come to pass.

Are you one who can't wait for the next doomsday tent revival to make the circuit through your town? Are you one to pour over Edgar Cayce's 'readings,' or to watch documentaries about Nostradamus over and over? Are you one of those who suspected that civilization was going to tip over the edge in Y2K or that a global cataclysm was looming around the winter solstice of 2012?
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#100746 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
"Private" miracles? Please. Can you name a single "private" miracle that cannot be explained through normal processes or random chance? I didn't think so. Because there are no miracles.
<quoted text>
There are plenty of other places to stick a penis that can be fun for both parties and are completely harmless. Those are all "abominations"?
No, they aren't. Abusing a child, sexually or otherwise, is an "abomination". Destroying a child's ability to think by forcing dogma on them is an "abomination". Condemning an entire group of people that aren't hurting anyone simply for being the way they were born to be is an "abomination".
Just in my life, there are many things that cannot be explained by chance! Miracles do happen today!
Just two... 2 .22 cal rounds went through my head without leaving a mark... 3 syringes full of meth stopped my heart... I live!
Many more!
God is real, Prayers are answered, Miracles happen!
.
"completely harmless"
Not so! worshiping sex, leads to human trafficking, pornography leads to marital distress, and divorce!
.
"Condemning an entire group of people that aren't hurting anyone simply for being the way they were born to be is an "abomination"."
Not condemning anyone... That's God's job!
The fact is... 44 years ago, they (homosexuals) just wanted to be thought of as normal... they are not, but what they do behind their doors... that's between them and God!
Now, they WANT to FORCE us to accept them, and ruin GOOD people for just refusing to serve them IF it goes against our faith!
That tolerance is only a one way street!
If I put a sign in my business, that says "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" that right should not be overturned by anyone!
They search for people they can harass... NOT respecting our Faith!
Go to a Muslim community.... see if they don't get their heads removed!

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100747 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Not in THAT particular book, which just covers THAT particular millenium.
(That's kind of like tossing out reading about..oh say...the Civil War...because it's 2013, so it "doesn't apply" now. MMMmmm...non...that does not compute-logically!!).
Nice metaphor. If you're an idiot.

We aren't talking books. Nobody was. You made repeated assertions (like that you "wouldn't rule any geneological lineage out, Pangea WAS one big land mass.") that plate tectonics would have had some impact on the locations/origin of early humans. You got smacked down because you're an idiot with a stupid idea that was hundreds of millions of years off.

To clarify, the continents were, for all intents and purposes, in their current configuration millions of years before anything remotely human evolved. Nakalipithecus is around 10 million years old. I mean... Pangea?? Really?

Go look at a map, idiot. By the end of the Cretaceous, the current continents were seperated and Africa was an island. Your Pangea theory is simply another rambling that appears to be logical unless you actually know something, just like pretty much everything else you say. You should write for answersingenesis.com , because you clearly have a knack for writing things that people of faith and ignorance would buy. At least if you fixed that whole "I can't write proper English" thing.
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Might want to make up your mind on that...?
You either believe faith and logic can and often do harmoniously exist (as I personally believe they do-and have stated MANY, many times) OR, you do NOT believe that people can and often do, have faith AND logic, with out issue, as YOU have stated many times.
Which is it? Or do you just enjoy being representative of contrariness?
This isn't something I have to "make up my mind" about. And this is not a difficult concept. Just because somebody can be logical in one scenario and faithful in another does NOT mean that they "harmoniously exist", you dolt. They are mutually exclusive and CANNOT "harmoniously exist". You're trying to act as though a person's thoughts on two different matters, and the nature of those thoughts, must be harmonious simply because they have them both. That's stupid and wrong. People are contradictory all the time, moron. I mean, have you never read anything you've written here? Full of contradiction.

I can buy a bottle of vinegar. I can buy a box of baking soda. I can hold them both at the same time and it means NOTHING. They cannot "harmoniously exist". They destroy one another if placed together in the same location. Stop being an idiot.
TruthIs wrote:
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Frozen water au naturale CAN be classified as a mineral because......
Scientfic FACT says so, and I have FAITH (NOT based on any "emotion" however) in that FACT.
That simple enough for you to comprende?
Nice try however, stumpy.
WTF does that retardation have to do with anything? Of course ice is a mineral. And "fact" doesn't say so, the criteria of the term "mineral" says so. It's merely a label. And there is no "faith" in anything of the sort, idiot. Why don't you understand what faith is? And why do you keep making broken arguments that any slightly coherent adult could refute? Are you just trolling or something?

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