Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100643 Apr 23, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Yeah well, it's still interesting stuff-especially when archeology keeps unearthing oh..umm..."related incidentals".
Something that liars of all sort figured out long ago. Fortune tellers, astrologers, preachers, etc. etc.:

Vagueness + a little bit of educated guesswork = tricking the gullible.

If you think anything is "related", that's because your presupposition got in the way of a true evaluation of the information. Vague texts can seem to be "related" to a great many things if you want them to be. It's easy to convince a fool of something that he already wanted to hear.

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#100644 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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...
If you think anything is "related", that's because your presupposition got in the way of a true evaluation of the information. Vague texts can seem to be "related" to a great many things if you want them to be. It's easy to convince a fool of something that he already wanted to hear.
True words. I would add to this our (human) ability for pattern recognition contributes immensely to "magical" thinking. We're hard-wired to categorize everything we sense and to make connections with the data. Effective pattern detection was essential for our survival in the pre-modern world (and to some degree still is today). Unfortunately, it also fuels post hoc reasoning.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100645 Apr 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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A reasonable question. There isn't any evidence that John of Patmos was John the Apostle. Revelation bears no resemblance to the Gospel of John. There isn't any reasonable expectation that Rev. was divinely inspired or that John of Patmos even laid eyes on Jesus. There were many other writings in circulation by the third century that were actually held to be eyewitness accounts, and yet not only were those not included in the canonized Bible, many were deemed by the Councils to be false, irrelevant or sacrilegious and were ordered to be systematically destroyed. Revelation, on the other hand was a terrific tool to reinforce the punishment/reward doctrine of the church and as such has become indispensable. That is the only "chroniLogical" reason for its inclusion and longevity.
Quote,chromiuman wrote" There isn't any reasonable expectation that Rev. was divinely inspired or that John of Patmos even laid eyes on Jesus
Let me see if I understand you correctly.In order for a book to be included in the New Testament,It has to meet the following criteria.
1)That the Authors" had either known Jesus personally or were closely affiliated with somebody who had, and were considered trustworthy by that person(apostolic authority). For example, Matthew, Peter, and John were disciples, Paul had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, Mark worked closely with Peter, and Luke traveled with Paul..
2)That the message contained the book were ones that accurately portrayed Jesus and presented Christianity in the form practiced by the church that sprung out of Jesus.
.3)And that they had to be Divinely Inspired,meaning,Guided by the hand of God.
In your view,Revelation does not meet that criteria,therefore,in your judgement,it should not have been included,in
Whereas,the other books in the New Testament,because,in your judgement they met that criteria, were legitimately included.
When I made my comments about your being acomedy writer for Jay leno and that is why he was fired,I was not aware that you subscribed to the abovementioned criteria.
Accept my apologies,I had misjudged you and based on your explanation, I was wrong.
Although, I do not necessarily agree,that Revelation does not belong in the old testament

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100646 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote,chromiuman wrote" There isn't any reasonable expectation that Rev. was divinely inspired or that John of Patmos even laid eyes on Jesus
Let me see if I understand you correctly.In order for a book to be included in the New Testament,It has to meet the following criteria.
1)That the Authors" had either known Jesus personally or were closely affiliated with somebody who had, and were considered trustworthy by that person(apostolic authority). For example, Matthew, Peter, and John were disciples, Paul had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, Mark worked closely with Peter, and Luke traveled with Paul..
2)That the message contained the book were ones that accurately portrayed Jesus and presented Christianity in the form practiced by the church that sprung out of Jesus.
.3)And that they had to be Divinely Inspired,meaning,Guided by the hand of God.
In your view,Revelation does not meet that criteria,therefore,in your judgement,it should not have been included,in
Whereas,the other books in the New Testament,because,in your judgement they met that criteria, were legitimately included.
When I made my comments about your being acomedy writer for Jay leno and that is why he was fired,I was not aware that you subscribed to the abovementioned criteria.
Accept my apologies,I had misjudged you and based on your explanation, I was wrong.
Although, I do not necessarily agree,that Revelation does not belong in the old testament
Do not presume that someone who literally grew up in a church is devoid of knowledge of scripture simply because they choose not to dissect and debate line and verse. I find such to be tedious and futile, as faith is never bound to the same rules of engagement as rationality.
The author of Revelation has no credentials aside from having been exiled by the Romans to the island of Patmos along with other heretics.
I believe you meant New Testament, not old.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100647 Apr 23, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
keep on reading....lol u will learn the ones that cant be counted are not goin to heaven. they will be living on the jesus controlled earth while the jewish 144k go on to heaven to be with the main god. u actually need to learn your bible a little better. dont make a statement that is wrong unless u read the whole thing. there are many many scriptures that tell u that no man will enter the gates of heaven but i guess u just ignore those as u go huh? lol this is one case that u dont know what u are talkin about but still had the arrogance about u to point out that u know more about it than me and for that i thank u, just proves more and more that the followers follow blind cuz they dont know what really is in the book.
I was reading what you posted and suddenly,a thought occurred to me.
Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Somehow,this entity they claim does not exist( God) has crept into their minds and they can not stop thinking about him.
As a result,they read the Bible,probably more frequently,than many of those who claim to be Christians.
And I asked myself,Why is it that God is on their minds and why do they read the Bible?
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying,“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

and my question was answered.

Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#100648 Apr 23, 2013
Guardian Angel wrote:
You all need to shut up,none of you have a clue.Read the bible.As for prove do you breath air?There is no big bang theory.
"There's no fixing stupid" - Ron White

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100650 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.

blah blah
No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.

Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.

And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.

It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100651 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I was reading what you posted and suddenly,a thought occurred to me.
Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Somehow,this entity they claim does not exist( God) has crept into their minds and they can not stop thinking about him.
As a result,they read the Bible,probably more frequently,than many of those who claim to be Christians.
And I asked myself,Why is it that God is on their minds and why do they read the Bible?
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth
Matthew 19:25-26
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying,“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
and my question was answered.
Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer
Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100652 Apr 23, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, we need to stomp on some of rampant the stupid so the ones with some actual intelligence and braincell activity with ideas... worthy of thought and time, can move this nation FORWARD again-rather than failing backwards-thirty years behind the times and stuff.
Yeah,... and stuff.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100653 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote,chromiuman wrote" There isn't any reasonable expectation that Rev. was divinely inspired or that John of Patmos even laid eyes on Jesus
Let me see if I understand you correctly.In order for a book to be included in the New Testament,It has to meet the following criteria.
1)That the Authors" had either known Jesus personally or were closely affiliated with somebody who had, and were considered trustworthy by that person(apostolic authority). For example, Matthew, Peter, and John were disciples, Paul had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, Mark worked closely with Peter, and Luke traveled with Paul..
2)That the message contained the book were ones that accurately portrayed Jesus and presented Christianity in the form practiced by the church that sprung out of Jesus.
.3)And that they had to be Divinely Inspired,meaning,Guided by the hand of God.
In your view,Revelation does not meet that criteria,therefore,in your judgement,it should not have been included,in
Whereas,the other books in the New Testament,because,in your judgement they met that criteria, were legitimately included.
When I made my comments about your being acomedy writer for Jay leno and that is why he was fired,I was not aware that you subscribed to the abovementioned criteria.
Accept my apologies,I had misjudged you and based on your explanation, I was wrong.
Although, I do not necessarily agree,that Revelation does not belong in the old testament
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

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#100654 Apr 23, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>im not exactly sure why but i can give u a pretty solid explaination and im far from a scientist or studied this topic. for one, africa is supposedly the start of humans so they have had more time to get darker that others at the equator but in turn all equator peoples have darker skin than norhtern europeans so they are turning slowly as they evolve. for eskimos i would guess because of the longer days they endure during certain time of the year it would cause them to produce more melanin in order to protect them during those months. and for the white ppl in africa, i know that is a no brainer, africa has diamonds and white ppl want them so they migrated there to rape africa of all its natural resources and make money from the resources and the ppl as slaves during the british colonial times. just sayin that in places of more sun light hrs u get ppl with darker skin for the protection it provides and when u get in the more equal parts inthe northern and southern hemispheres the ppl get lighter skin cause they are covered up more in the cold and the day hrs arent as long as other places so the body doesnt need all that extra protection.
How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?

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#100655 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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...
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
...
and my question was answered.
Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer
I suspect there are a great many things that will remain unanswered for you.

Your willful ignorance is staggering for someone who chose the handle "curious".
Curious

Charlotte, NC

#100656 Apr 23, 2013
If you can't teach them all and leave it to the individual to decide on their own then it shouldn't be taught at all. We should realize that all though, yes our country was founded on a number of religious principles but our founding fathers also knew that religion is far too devisive and conflicting to allow government to have any part of. If you allow the government to be responsible for teaching our kids religion, eventually they will decide which religion, which principles and so on. Don't give our ever growing and corrupt government that kind of power. They already have more power than they should in molding our kids' precious young minds.

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#100657 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.
And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.
It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.
Well put, but I'm afraid you're casting your pearls before swine.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100658 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
This isn't the 1800s. We now have fossil records and understand mitochondrial DNA. The preponderance of current evidence supports this theory.
http://books.google.com/books...
http://books.google.com/books...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

I don't know if you really thought there was no evidence to support the theory (how?) or what else you might have thought, but those references would be good ways to educate yourself on this subject.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100659 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.
And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.
It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.
You are right,I have never experienced what Atheists have experienced...I was once an Agnostic. See if you are in agreement with this article;

Written by Marilyn Adamson

I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.
I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me
BTW I have never questioned the natural intellect of Atheists
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100660 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should
I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100661 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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...
Written by Marilyn Adamson
I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded....
"to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded"
Sounds rather dastardly doesn't it? I don't know a single atheist whose goal is to take people's hope away.

Whoever Marilyn Adamson is, she wasn't like any atheist I've known.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100662 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should
Since I am not part of a cult,as you say,that is just one of your many false allegations. My beliefs are not based on any of the false allegations that you keep repeating over and over.

A wise man has something to say,a fool has a need to say something
You keep saying something time and again
If you don't like what I post,Don't read it .
What I posted ,was not addressed to you
You have been placed on IGNORE
GWB

Roseville, CA

#100663 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
Why do Mormons think that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri?

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