City Cutting Fire Protection? Facts i...

City Cutting Fire Protection? Facts inside.

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Private Eye

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Mar 24, 2013
The Manchester City Council is considering cutting fire protection to everyone outside of city limits; let us take a look at their reasoning. The only reason the Mayor or Council members gave was the added wear and tear on the fire equipment. Obviously this comes down to money, they believe they could save money if they do not have to respond to as many fire calls, however, would they be saving money?

First, we will dig into the funding of the Manchester Fire Department. The yearly budget is currently set at approximately $55,000. According to the Manchester Enterprise, they billed for $78,000 in fire dues. Meaning, if everyone paid their fire dues, the City would PROFIT from their volunteer organization. However, they claim to only receive $25,000. How convenient that exactly 500 people paid their fire dues, I wonder what the actual number is?

So now we know that 45% of the Fire Departments yearly budget is covered by residents outside of the city.($25,000/$55,000) Let us continue to dig deeper. The City also receives $8,000 per year from the State of Kentucky to help fund the Fire Department. Quickly doing the math, you will see that the City receives outside funding to cover 60% of the fire departments budget!($25,000+8,000/55,000)

Shall we continue? On top of all of that “outside of the city support”, the City of Manchester also receives approximately $8,000 per year from the County. Now we can all see that 75% of the Manchester Fire Departments Yearly budget does not come from the City’s Funds or the City resident’s taxes.(25,000+8,000+8,000/55,0 00)

This leaves a mere 25% or $14,000 to be covered by the actual residents of the city, which is paid through taxes. The question is how much do the city residents pay in taxes per year that goes towards the fire department? I cannot answer this as I do not have the access to these records.

After Mayor Saylor took office, it was put in the Manchester Enterprise that they are now billing insurance companies for car wrecks the fire department responds to. It is no coincidence the Mayor and Council are thinking about cutting the cities fire coverage, but will still go to all car wrecks. Since they have started billing for these accidents, they have brought in approximately $15,000 per year! So now we have 100% of the fire departments budget paid by non-city funds.

To sum it up: the county fire dues, state aid, county aid, and insurance money collected covers 100% of the Fire Departments yearly Budget. This does not even include what they tax the city residents.

If you do not believe me, ask around. I was unable to get exact figures, but these are very close.
Mike

Burbank, CA

#2 Mar 24, 2013
It's spite that is driving the Mayor and most of the Council. They can't get over a couple of non-city taxpayers telling them they have nothing to give them that they already don't have to live in the city. The city goverment have almost broke Manchester with one dumb ideal after another. Both this Mayor and Council and the past Mayor and Council have put Manchester one step from being bankrupt. Most of the county people I have talked to say they don't want to be responsible for bailing out the city officials for making bad deals, one right after another.
2cents

Hodgenville, KY

#3 Mar 24, 2013
If they don't want the service from Manchester why supply it? Last meeting they said stick the fire dept. they didn't want it. So if I were on the counsel I would take it. And for the record I don't live in the city.
Jescoe White

Bolivar, MO

#4 Mar 24, 2013
2cents, not everybody said they didn't want the fire department. Maybe one or two individuals said it, but they do not speak for everyone.

Not only that, the people at the last meeting were there due to the annexation. Cutting fire protection to everyone out side the city hurts far more than just those who were against the annex.
2cents

Hodgenville, KY

#5 Mar 24, 2013
I agree with that... But they will still be responding to the fires of the other dept. needs them the only thing it actually effects is the insurance rating. Am I correct on that?
dude

London, KY

#6 Mar 24, 2013
I thought the people did not want any part of the city, based on the amount of people that was at the annex meeting. So why would you be complaining about the city not responding outside the city limits, need to complain to your county judge to supply you guys a COUNTY fire department.
Resident

London, KY

#7 Mar 25, 2013
Get your own fire dept. You don't want anything from the city so go buy your trucks, insurance, building and equipment and see how cheap it is and go ahead and bill that 75,000 in dues and see how much you get and see how many hoses and radio you can buy with that. Put your money where your mouth is. You don't have a clue how to run a fire dept.
Jack Black

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Mar 25, 2013
My question is this. I have a close friend on the department and he said their worried. He tells me most members live outside the city limits and will probably quit. I was also told the mayor plans responding to the members house. So how is it legal for this to happen. I live outside the city close to a member and I guess they will out his out and let mine burn.
Satin

London, KY

#9 Mar 25, 2013
there is enough hot air and bullsh=t,,sitting behind the council desk,,you could blow and sling for 20 miles,,,that would put out the county fires for free.
My Mary

Scottsburg, IN

#10 Mar 25, 2013
So will the City even have a fire department after tonight's meeting.
Jescoe White

Bolivar, MO

#11 Mar 25, 2013
I do think it is interesting that if "private eye" is correct, the city gets all of the fire departments budget from outside sources. Meaning is is doesn't cost the city a dime to operate.

2cents, they will only respond if the other fire department requests them. The problem, is it could take 20 minutes for the first fire department to get there and then 10-15 more minutes for the city to get there. Thats how the mutual aid works.

Also, I was told the city has contracts with the county and county FD's that says they will cover outside the city.
So what

Somerset, KY

#12 Mar 25, 2013
Private Eye wrote:
The Manchester City Council is considering cutting fire protection to everyone outside of city limits; let us take a look at their reasoning. The only reason the Mayor or Council members gave was the added wear and tear on the fire equipment. Obviously this comes down to money, they believe they could save money if they do not have to respond to as many fire calls, however, would they be saving money?
First, we will dig into the funding of the Manchester Fire Department. The yearly budget is currently set at approximately $55,000. According to the Manchester Enterprise, they billed for $78,000 in fire dues. Meaning, if everyone paid their fire dues, the City would PROFIT from their volunteer organization. However, they claim to only receive $25,000. How convenient that exactly 500 people paid their fire dues, I wonder what the actual number is?
So now we know that 45% of the Fire Departments yearly budget is covered by residents outside of the city.($25,000/$55,000) Let us continue to dig deeper. The City also receives $8,000 per year from the State of Kentucky to help fund the Fire Department. Quickly doing the math, you will see that the City receives outside funding to cover 60% of the fire departments budget!($25,000+8,000/55,000)
Shall we continue? On top of all of that “outside of the city support”, the City of Manchester also receives approximately $8,000 per year from the County. Now we can all see that 75% of the Manchester Fire Departments Yearly budget does not come from the City’s Funds or the City resident’s taxes.(25,000+8,000+8,000/55,0 00)
This leaves a mere 25% or $14,000 to be covered by the actual residents of the city, which is paid through taxes. The question is how much do the city residents pay in taxes per year that goes towards the fire department? I cannot answer this as I do not have the access to these records.
After Mayor Saylor took office, it was put in the Manchester Enterprise that they are now billing insurance companies for car wrecks the fire department responds to. It is no coincidence the Mayor and Council are thinking about cutting the cities fire coverage, but will still go to all car wrecks. Since they have started billing for these accidents, they have brought in approximately $15,000 per year! So now we have 100% of the fire departments budget paid by non-city funds.
To sum it up: the county fire dues, state aid, county aid, and insurance money collected covers 100% of the Fire Departments yearly Budget. This does not even include what they tax the city residents.
If you do not believe me, ask around. I was unable to get exact figures, but these are very close.
If they made a million dollars a year on the fire dept. That doesn`t mean they owe anyone out side the city any thing.(MANCHESTER FIRE DEPT. NOT FIRE DEPT. AROUND MANCHESTER) Thank about it.
shame and disgrace

Elizabethtown, KY

#13 Mar 25, 2013
It's a shame how this area has degraded itself with all this bickering, like a bunch of kids whining over who's time it is to play with the school dog. If there was no county there would be no Manchester, it all boils down to one thing more area means more liquor and beer places. Do the residents who own business in Manchester realize if people from all over the county stopped shopping at their places they would close, they sure not enough people living inside the city limits to keep them open. It is sad that here we have a mayor who in my book is just like all the other mayors no concept how to get things in here or work with other people. Seems like when you watch those council meetings, mayor is hiped up like a kid who ate to much sweeting. The other members of the council seem either just their to fill seats, to arguer or be seen by the camera. I am not the smartest person I know but seems like if you wanted to get things done you set down with the county judge, some business people and look at areas around here see what they got we are lacking and start from that. Instead of all the gripping and bitching about y-hollow why not try to get something in their, work with the state for tax exemptions for business to use it. The problem is people here thinks things will come to them instead of them getting out their tossing out ideas to companies, petition the stated to build a better access road to get here, talk to the railroad people about if they get a business would they upgrade their rail service, or even talk with other counties about combines efforts to attract business not try shaft them.
click

Chesterfield, MO

#14 Mar 25, 2013
George Saylor is just like a bunch more. It's all about his hip pocket. They don't want nothing in Clay Co. and it want never be because there will be noone elected that will try and build it up. It is always take down never buid up.

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