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'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate

There are 228389 comments on the thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com story from Oct 1, 2010, titled 'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate. In it, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com reports that:

"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).

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Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109911 Jul 12, 2013
UPDATE| Defense rests case in George Zimerman trial
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/jul/10/...
Up_North writes:
For everyone who feels Zimmerman is innocent, let me put this scenario out there for you.

My husband and I get into an argument. He fear things are going to escalate and calls 911. I leave the house as he's calling 911 and he follows me as he's talking. They tell him to quit following me and wait for the cops.

He keeps following me and I feel threatened so I hit him. He ends up on the ground and I hit him again when he'd down there. He shoots me and kills me. Is he innocent too?

MechEngineer writes:
in response to Up_North:

This whole case makes me very sad. The only crime that Martin committed before he was confronted by Zimmerman is the crime of Walking While Being Young and Black. Had Zimmerman not pursued him, this would not have happened. It was recommended that he not follow him. He disregarded it.

If you are being pursued, your instinct is Fight or Flight. Martin chose fight. Zimmerman couldn't finish the fight so he shot him. It's so sad on so many levels. Had Zimmerman waited in his car like he was instructed, this would not have happened. Even if Martin had followed him to his car (which I doubt would have happened)Zimmerman would have been safely locked in his car.

Zimmerman precipitated this altercation. He then felt threatened (and might have truly been physically threatened) and shot. He started a fight he couldn't finish and chose the coward's way out by shooting. Remember that Martin was only guilty of Walking While Being Young and Black. He had done NOTHING wrong.

No evidence that has been entered into the case shows that Zimmerman confronted TM.

Evidence has been entered in to show that TM did start an altercation with GZ. TM could have avoided his fate by simply going home that night.

By the time that Zimmerman got the "instruction" to wait in his car, he was already in the middle of the complex. Indeed, he says he was on the way back to the car when TM jumped him.

TM did nothing wrong until he punched GZ in the face and knocked him down. I'd even let him off there, but after he mounted GZ and commenced to "ground and pound" GZ into the ground / sidewalk, he loses any rights he might have had to call victim.

In fear for his life, with a fit young male astride him, calling for help that's not coming, GZ reports that TM said "tonight you die" while reaching for the holstered 9mm that GZ had on him. GZ managed to maintain control of his weapon and shot TM, unfortunately fatally, and stopped the attack.

Very, very clear cut self defense.

==========
Up_North writes:
For everyone who feels Zimmerman is innocent, let me put this scenario out there for you.

My husband and I get into an argument. He fear things are going to escalate and calls 911. I leave the house as he's calling 911 and he follows me as he's talking. They tell him to quit following me and wait for the cops.

He keeps following me and I feel threatened so I hit him. He ends up on the ground and I hit him again when he'd down there. He shoots me and kills me. Is he innocent too?

MechEngineer writes:
in response to Up_North:

For everyone who feels Zimmerman is innocent, let me put this scenario out there for you.

My husband and I get into an argument. He fear things are going to escalate and calls 911. I leave the house as he's calling 911 and he follows me as he's talking. They tell him to quit following me and wait for the cops.

He keeps following me and I feel threatened so I hit him. He ends up on the ground and I hit him again when he'd down there. He shoots me and kills me. Is he innocent too?

continued...

Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109912 Jul 12, 2013
Is he reasonably sure that you're going to kill him if you keep hitting him? If so, yes. If not, then no.

Your "what if" scenario has several differences from the reported events of the night that GZ shot and killed TM. GZ reports he'd lost sight of TM, and was returning to his vehicle to await police when he was attacked. Your husband knows you, and is familiar to you, and you to him. GZ and TM were complete strangers.

Does that make sense?

==========

It certainly DOES!
Completely "different scenario" ...

Since: Dec 11

.

#109913 Jul 12, 2013
Uncle Tab wrote:
<quoted text>
Heh and try to reach in your pocket and see if you can.
:-D remember...... Someone is beating you to death.
His weapon was in a holster, I have a larger version of the same type for my .45. I can draw mine from any position, I wear it on my right hip visible, or my waist (behind my back).
Mine does have a strap with button snap.

Here is a photo from the trial (Z's holster).

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/u...
OZombies

United States

#109914 Jul 12, 2013
Self Preservation wrote:
<quoted text>i agree with this too. Why didn't he just call it a night and go home?
Sad as heck he didn't.
:-)!!

Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109915 Jul 12, 2013
Self Preservation wrote:
AL, this crap about my "judge it's" being changed has gone on for a long time now, on and off. Which is why I got fed up with it.
I also almost always have an issue IF I hit the reply to a "certain posters", it usually only AFTER I have replied by using the reply key that I get a problem and Ill let you take at guess at who I mean.
I try to just post my comment rather than do a reply but when I'm all carried away talking I've hit that reply key,(which I should NOT have a problem in doing) without thinking. Then BLAM I get problems.
It's funny as heck anyone would want inside any of my computers. There is no info of important on them anywhere. Phone or Mac. We use husbands for anything else but mine are only used to play around and/or with my phone make calls. If someone finds my texts interesting then I don't care. Hope they enjoy. Haha.
Anyway, I was absolutely serious when I said other folks for these same reasons will not post on these or other threads. I know because they've told me its not worth it. I'm beginning to agree.
Maybe I'd be better off going somewhere like the treehouse, I don't know. I do know I won't stay or keep coming back periodically if I continue to be HOUNDED in this asinine childish way. Just wont. It won't bother me a bit.
Oh---- but I'd miss you guys I'm sure!.... So We will see.
Thank you for your detailed explanation :)
Had no idea it was that bad!
I've had trojans on mine.
One time when cleaning I had 10 at one time!!!
I posted about it on here when it happened.

To me this is a "neutral territory" ...
The only reason I stay on here.
I post on different ones also, just not as much.

This ones keeps me quite busy, putting the libTARDS in "their place" ...
PLUS it's FUN, now that I'm keeping my pc CLEAN!

Before I didn't know the level some of them would STOOP to STOP me from posting!...

I'm "determined" to STAY now, simply from 'that' FACTOR!
I've 'invested' too much time on here to ...
GIVE UP NOW ...

I'm not a quitter!...

BUT ...
I would NOT blame you one bit IF you decide to not come back!
I "will" TELL you this, YOU would be MISSED! <3

Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109916 Jul 12, 2013
Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
<quoted text>
His weapon was in a holster, I have a larger version of the same type for my .45. I can draw mine from any position, I wear it on my right hip visible, or my waist (behind my back).
Mine does have a strap with button snap.
Here is a photo from the trial (Z's holster).
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/u...
Thank You Ari!

Since: Dec 11

.

#109917 Jul 12, 2013
American Lady Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank You Ari!
How many times has he asked the same question about "a gun being is Z's pocket" that's why police officers don't carry weapons in pockets.
wtf

Glasgow, KY

#109918 Jul 12, 2013
The sad thing is that many young people in todays society believe their rights are the only rights that matter. They believe that society and the government will back the young people no matter if they are in the wrong or not. A lot of menace is done with that thought in mind. Just like bullies at school. They realize that the kid pointing an imaginary gun with their thumb and index finger will receive a much harsher punishment than the bully will receive. People who simply want to be able to proudly display America's flag or the Ten Commandments in their schools will have to go through a lengthy legal process while a kid who vandalizes school property gets a tap on the wrist and is back in school 2 days later bragging about his deed.

Young adults make decisions based on the example that has been set before them by society. And we all see how society has gone the way of freaks and criminals and liars and thieves and murderers in the last few years...more so than any other time in our country's history.

We are on the path of "if you love your goat then you have every right to marry your goat" because who are we to tell you who or what you can love and marry? Do your own thing and if the laws of our land don't coincide with your thinking...then have a protest and march and claim you are being discriminated against and threaten to take your vote from the politicians if they don't abide by your wishes. That's our America today.

Al and Jessie will fix it for us after Obama announces his 2 cents worth before he knows any of the facts and Pelosi and Reid step up and blame whatever the situation may be on the Republicans. Trust us!!??!!

These are the examples being set for our young people. And you people wonder why these types of situations are occurring??? PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!
headlines

AOL

#109919 Jul 12, 2013
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VATICAN ID'd by U.N. re: Priests SELLING BABIES --

http://youtu.be/KRVCkXBRTQo

.

Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109920 Jul 12, 2013
Twitter Flooded With New Wave of Riot Threats

Trayvon Martin supporters take to social network in greater numbers than ever before to promise unrest if Zimmerman acquitted
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
July 12, 2013

As the jury retires to consider its verdict, threats to stage riots, looting and racial violence if George Zimmerman is acquitted continue to flood Twitter in greater numbers than ever before despite efforts by authorities to discourage unrest.

``````````
chilllllll blood @DRIZZY_HIGHTIDE

If Zimmerman walks... As a people I hope all of us African Americans RIOT! straight up. Lets wild the fuck out. WHO'S WITH ME ?!
12:12 PM - 12 Jul 2013
``````````

Having tracked such threats for the last two weeks, it is clear that the volume of vows to stage violent disorder is now clearly at its peak as police prepare to counter flash mob violence in both Sanford and Miami.

The defense for George Zimmerman presented its closing argument this morning with the jury expected to deliver its verdict by the middle of next week. However, the rights and wrongs of the case have to a great extent been overshadowed by sustained threats by Trayvon Martin supporters to spark Rodney King-style riots if Zimmerman is found not guilty.

http://www.infowars.com/twitter-flooded-with-...

I 'normally do not go there, but wanted to SEE what was going on ...

Glad I went ...
Some "interesting" news!

Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109921 Jul 12, 2013
Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times has he asked the same question about "a gun being is Z's pocket" that's why police officers don't carry weapons in pockets.
He is:

Pete & 'repeat" ...
Like a broken 'vinyl' record ...
Someone needs to "flip" it!

;~)
OZombies

United States

#109922 Jul 12, 2013
We should be judging every case on FACTS and NOT on EMOTIONS! Obama made comment "if he had son, he would look like Trayvon". That was enough for his supporters to see what side Obama is taking and this is why country got divided. This is not place for a president to take sides and get involved in a local case. He is the president. This is very hurtful and unfair. He is not a healer...!! he is making wounds even deeper...!!

How can you respect him...??
Uncle Tab

United States

#109923 Jul 12, 2013
Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times has he asked the same question about "a gun being is Z's pocket" that's why police officers don't carry weapons in pockets.
I said try to reach your pocket in that position just to see if its possible. I didn't say gun because it isn't safe for two people to wressle on the floor with an unloaded gun. Someone could get there teeth knocked out.

Safety is always important. Being a fun owner that should be the number 1 priority .... You should know this by now ari.

And with someone on your chest there are two problems, can't get to hip holster, martins knees block it. There is NO question about it. Second, the chest shot thru the arms? Martin sees a gun pointed at him while on top of him and doesn't deflect the weapon?? He didn't cause none of his DNA is on the gun. Again.... That's a big NO!

It's funny when you all go on about how smart you are and all..... But it just doesn't add up.

You can try to make it work as much as you like but you can't.

IF he could reach his fun, the quickest easiest shot is in TMs side. But you all believe he goes thru TMs arms while he's having his head beat against the concrete for a chest shot?

LMAO sorry...... Too much wrong with that.

But if TM has stopped and is moving away from GZ, then the chest shot makes sense with the evidence.

Since: Jul 13

Danville, KY

#109924 Jul 12, 2013
wtf wrote:
The sad thing is that many young people in todays society believe their rights are the only rights that matter. They believe that society and the government will back the young people no matter if they are in the wrong or not. A lot of menace is done with that thought in mind. Just like bullies at school. They realize that the kid pointing an imaginary gun with their thumb and index finger will receive a much harsher punishment than the bully will receive. People who simply want to be able to proudly display America's flag or the Ten Commandments in their schools will have to go through a lengthy legal process while a kid who vandalizes school property gets a tap on the wrist and is back in school 2 days later bragging about his deed.
Young adults make decisions based on the example that has been set before them by society. And we all see how society has gone the way of freaks and criminals and liars and thieves and murderers in the last few years...more so than any other time in our country's history.
We are on the path of "if you love your goat then you have every right to marry your goat" because who are we to tell you who or what you can love and marry? Do your own thing and if the laws of our land don't coincide with your thinking...then have a protest and march and claim you are being discriminated against and threaten to take your vote from the politicians if they don't abide by your wishes. That's our America today.
Al and Jessie will fix it for us after Obama announces his 2 cents worth before he knows any of the facts and Pelosi and Reid step up and blame whatever the situation may be on the Republicans. Trust us!!??!!
These are the examples being set for our young people. And you people wonder why these types of situations are occurring??? PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!
HIGH Fives Glasgow!:)
Another SHOT to the 'heart'...

Bon Jovi - Shot Through The Heart


He should have been home in the HEART of his Family!
Instead of out 'scoring' ingredients for "LEAN" ...

Then his HEART would STILL be in one piece!

Every ACTION
causes a
REaction!

It was in the script called L~I~F~E ...!!!
Uncle Tab

United States

#109925 Jul 12, 2013
Not good for GZ that the jury didn't have a decision today. You all do realize this don't you?
Uncle Tab

United States

#109926 Jul 12, 2013
Crow wrote:
<quoted text>
Tab, just to lighten things up for a minute...I know what you were trying to say, and everybody makes typos, including me. But dude, yours just cracked me right up - "Someone at Topix finally said something to you about your threats on here about your gums (sic) and how good of a shot you are?"
She does threaten quite often with her gums, doesn't she? Flaps 'em all the time, nonstop. Fortunately her ammo is of very low caliber and her aim sucks.
Thanks for the laugh!
Justice for Trayvon!
Freudian Slip that turned out to be factual huh?

:-D
Enigma

Campbellsville, KY

#109927 Jul 12, 2013
Very well put WF, thanks for your very on Target and accurate post!
Jay

Springville, TN

#109928 Jul 12, 2013
Uncle Tab wrote:
<quoted text>
Heh and try to reach in your pocket and see if you can.
:-D remember...... Someone is beating you to death.
**********

Can't you picture this scuffle on the ground in your mind?

Z knew where his gun was. Possibly and most likely M did not know he had one. M was not just sitting on him he was moving around, possibly holding him somewhere. Z needed only a few seconds to reach for his weapon, maybe less than 5 seconds to pause for a second or two and pull it out of his waist.

Nothing happens like we picture. It was seconds or at the most a couple of minutes of struggle. When you are in fear of something or someone you don't have time to think a plan out. You simply react. I asked you once if you have ever been in a bar when a fight broke out, or have you ever been in a fight? If so, you will know that everything is instantaneous without thought other than survival or winning,
Enigma

Campbellsville, KY

#109929 Jul 12, 2013
Hey ALP, with all those threats of violence, inflicting pain and suffering, rioting Rodney King style, looting< and unrest as well as any other mayhem they can think up, do you believe at all that "Homeland Security" has tagged these terrorists for the real Threat they are to all of Americans?

I do not think for second they have. But, I do believe they had better have extremely good reason to have law abiding citizens on their list IF they do not take name, rank, and all personal info from these wanna be Criminal terrorists!

What do you guys think?
Uncle Tab

United States

#109930 Jul 12, 2013
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>
**********
Can't you picture this scuffle on the ground in your mind?
Z knew where his gun was. Possibly and most likely M did not know he had one. M was not just sitting on him he was moving around, possibly holding him somewhere. Z needed only a few seconds to reach for his weapon, maybe less than 5 seconds to pause for a second or two and pull it out of his waist.
Nothing happens like we picture. It was seconds or at the most a couple of minutes of struggle. When you are in fear of something or someone you don't have time to think a plan out. You simply react. I asked you once if you have ever been in a bar when a fight broke out, or have you ever been in a fight? If so, you will know that everything is instantaneous without thought other than survival or winning,
Sorry..... It's basically impossible to upholster when someone is on top of you beating your head on the great beating you in the face as you all claim happened.

He CAN'T get to the gun with Martins right leg in the way. He has to raise the gun upnto his towards he armpit.artims left leg is in the way blocking the gun all together from accsess AND if he can unholster, hes into the back of martins leg. He just can't.

And once again, a chest shot without Martin trying to deflect the gun away?? No Martin DNA in the gun. No blood from a point blank shotbtontje heart? Not one little tiny speck of martins blood got on the gun from shooting point blank into a heart beating at 100 times a minute? ZERO blood or DNA of martins on the gun.

Why not?

None of it adds up.

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