Air-traffic controllers from LI honor...

Air-traffic controllers from LI honored for Hudson River crash

There are 18 comments on the Newsday story from Mar 4, 2009, titled Air-traffic controllers from LI honored for Hudson River crash. In it, Newsday reports that:

From his position inside the tower at LaGuardia Airport , air-traffic controller Bill McLoughlin watched Flight 1549 disappear behind the New York City skyline on the afternoon of Jan.

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Hmmm

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Mar 4, 2009
Patrick Harten played so much more of a role in this situation than this article states. It seems like Newsday couldn't get in touch with him, so they just focused on Bill McLoughlin and didn't bother to explain Patrick's role. Don't get me wrong, it seems they both handled the situation wonderfully, though it's only right to give credit where credit is due.
Newsday could've simply referenced back to an earlier article on the topic.

Since: Apr 08

AOL

#2 Mar 4, 2009
Attached is NASA video of a Rolls Royce jet engine on a test stand undergoing a 'Bird Ingestion' test. This test is accomplished by firing a bird,[generally a dead chicken complete with feathers and internal organs at the engine. The bird's weight is a function of the inlet and fan diameter. This test is considered a success if the failure was completely contained, i.e. No engine parts penetrated the engine cases or the aircraft cowling and there is no sustained external fire.

It does not take long for the engine to digest the bird as well as a significant number of its' own blades & vanes. The video lasts 33 seconds and the bird is fired into the engine at the 17 second mark…… Shake, Rattle, and Roll …………..

Now you have some idea what the pilot of that US Air flight faced when he ingested birds into both engines simultaneously!! It also gives you a fair idea why the one engine's mounts failed after the water landing and dropped off the wing!!



WOODY
Gabby

Reston, VA

#3 Mar 4, 2009
WOODY from ST JAMES wrote:
Attached is NASA video of a Rolls Royce jet engine on a test stand undergoing a 'Bird Ingestion' test. This test is accomplished by firing a bird,[generally a dead chicken complete with feathers and internal organs at the engine. The bird's weight is a function of the inlet and fan diameter. This test is considered a success if the failure was completely contained, i.e. No engine parts penetrated the engine cases or the aircraft cowling and there is no sustained external fire.
It does not take long for the engine to digest the bird as well as a significant number of its' own blades & vanes. The video lasts 33 seconds and the bird is fired into the engine at the 17 second mark…… Shake, Rattle, and Roll …………..
Now you have some idea what the pilot of that US Air flight faced when he ingested birds into both engines simultaneously!! It also gives you a fair idea why the one engine's mounts failed after the water landing and dropped off the wing!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =l_Edx9zQ12AXX
WOODY
Nota bird ingestion test, but a "blade off" test.

But cool vid, nonetheless.
Outrage

New York, NY

#5 Mar 5, 2009
And just what besides the job he is paid to do did this man do?
Rocky

Lebanon, NH

#6 Mar 5, 2009
Kudos to all those involved for helping to save 155 people. Thanks to the air traffic controllers, all the support people on the ground, crews on the water and in the air, and a special thanks to Capt. "Sully" and his crew.
justsayin

Lehighton, PA

#8 Mar 5, 2009
A hero for showing up at work.. We have to many hero's today...We dont hear about the many things people do
everyday without asking for anything!
Shiny happy people

United States

#11 Mar 5, 2009
Outrage wrote:
And just what besides the job he is paid to do did this man do?
Why are you mad? That job the gentleman is paid to do is one of the most stressful around. There are not many old air traffic controllers around. They die young.
Ed Burke

Coram, NY

#12 Mar 5, 2009
Outrage wrote:
And just what besides the job he is paid to do did this man do?
Those of us work for a living realize that while many people 'have jobs' only some of them are highly competent, and work well under pressure. The nitwit who made this Inane comment would understand nothing about 'Competence' in order to produce such a stupid comment in the first place.

Oh, and recognizing excellence in people is how we encourage it in others, so ignoring a person who did exemplary work, as just their job, encourages others to be mediocre and do whatever the 'Minimum' is that keeps the paycheck rolling in.

My guess, is that 'Outrage' here is just such a minimal producer himself, so he's naturally Befuddled when someone does an exemplary, even heroic action as this air controller obviously did. Hence the clueless remark he produced.
Outrage

New York, NY

#13 Mar 5, 2009
Ed Burke wrote:
<quoted text>
Those of us work for a living realize that while many people 'have jobs' only some of them are highly competent, and work well under pressure. The nitwit who made this Inane comment would understand nothing about 'Competence' in order to produce such a stupid comment in the first place.
Oh, and recognizing excellence in people is how we encourage it in others, so ignoring a person who did exemplary work, as just their job, encourages others to be mediocre and do whatever the 'Minimum' is that keeps the paycheck rolling in.
My guess, is that 'Outrage' here is just such a minimal producer himself, so he's naturally Befuddled when someone does an exemplary, even heroic action as this air controller obviously did. Hence the clueless remark he produced.
Again moron what did he do, besides his job. Exactly what heroics? Did he fly the plane? did he land the plane? Oh that's right he cleared traffic wow I'm impressed you dope.
Outrage

New York, NY

#14 Mar 5, 2009
Shiny happy people wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you mad? That job the gentleman is paid to do is one of the most stressful around. There are not many old air traffic controllers around. They die young.
They retire at a mandatory age of 56 moron
Outrage

New York, NY

#15 Mar 5, 2009
Shiny happy people wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you mad? That job the gentleman is paid to do is one of the most stressful around. There are not many old air traffic controllers around. They die young.
Here is to you and Ed Burke;

Which fits this guy from Webster

heroic


he·ro·ic [ hi r&#7763; ik ] or he·ro·i·cal [ hi r&#7763; ik'l ]

adjective
Definition:

1. courageous: showing great bravery, courage, or determination
a heroic fight against a disease

2. suitable for hero: characteristic of or suitable for a hero

3. large or extreme: large, extensive, or extreme, often daunting in aspect or done in response to a desperate situation
heroic measures to save a person's life

4. mythology relating to mythical hero: characteristic of or involving the heroes of legend or mythology

5. poetry of heroic verse: written in or characteristic of heroic verse

6. sculpture larger than life-size: describes a piece of sculpture that is larger than life-size.
See also colossal (sense 3)

All this making everyone who just does the job they are paid to do a hero is sickening.

My heroes stand up in the face of fear, exactly what fear did this guy stand up to? Exactly what danger did he put himself in? NOTHING.
happy

Chesapeake, VA

#16 Mar 5, 2009
there are very few articles these days about good things that are happening - maybe you should just suck up your unnecessary ignorant pessimistic view, Outrage, and let the people read good news and be proud of someone who did his job. well.
sdel33

Union, NJ

#17 Mar 5, 2009
Nice job guys
Ca mu na t Disorganizer

Florham Park, NJ

#18 Mar 6, 2009
Outrage is correct, once again Ed Burke is making a total fool of himself. Once the plane hit the birds Capt. Sullenberger was one his own. Listen to the tapes, he really didn't have time to engage the tower in conversation; nor was he going to follow any of their advise. "McLoughlin immediately called The Port Authority, the New York Police Department and New Jersey State Police"; making a few calls doesn't exactly make someone a hero.
cowboy

San Antonio, TX

#19 Mar 6, 2009
Did they not roll as much equipment as quickly as possible out into the middle of the Hudson? Did they make those calls?

Instead of complaining that these guys were just doing their jobs, lets concentrate on whether or not they did their jobs well, which it appears they did. Can't say the same for the reporter who wrote the story but thats another subject.

I have 12 people working for me - 2 just show up (not for long)- 5 do their jobs and 5 do their jobs well. I'm guessing those that would complain about the controllers "just doing their jobs" fall into one of the first two categories.
Ca mu na t Disorganizer

Florham Park, NJ

#21 Mar 6, 2009
cowboy wrote:
Did they not roll as much equipment as quickly as possible out into the middle of the Hudson? Did they make those calls?
Instead of complaining that these guys were just doing their jobs, lets concentrate on whether or not they did their jobs well, which it appears they did. Can't say the same for the reporter who wrote the story but thats another subject.
I have 12 people working for me - 2 just show up (not for long)- 5 do their jobs and 5 do their jobs well. I'm guessing those that would complain about the controllers "just doing their jobs" fall into one of the first two categories.
Nobody is saying they didn't do their jobs; they did their jobs, but putting a heroes label on them is a bit much.
Outrage

New York, NY

#22 Mar 6, 2009
Ca mu na t Disorganizer wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody is saying they didn't do their jobs; they did their jobs, but putting a heroes label on them is a bit much.
My point exactly. They are trained for these events, and they did their jobs as they were trained, and yes they did them well.
Ex-LI

Johnson City, TN

#23 Mar 8, 2009
I have been on that exact flight many times.

Not to diminish te professionalism of everyone involved, but there was also an incredible amount of luck involved too. They could have tried ditching that plane 100 times, and maybe having an outcome like this happen twice, no matter how skilled.
Those folks were extraordinarily lucky. Thank God everyone made it!

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