Another Main Street Building Falling Down
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#1 Feb 5, 2013
February 5, 2013
Village: Malone building poses danger
By DENISE A. RAYMO
----— MALONE — The sidewalk near 395 West Main St. has been closed for fear the building could collapse into the street or the Salmon River below.
That structure, next to For Arts Sake and the Main Street bridge, has been shifting several inches at a time, said Mayor Todd LePine.
He said engineer John MacArthur of Beardsley Design Associates inspected the site in November, and he found that the building “had been displaced 6 to 7 inches,” as its east wall continues to bow outward.
“We had a walk-through with the code officers (last Thursday), and it’s 8 to 9 inches now,” the mayor said.“That’s a 2-inch difference in displacement in two months.”
The building is owned by Aberle York Architectural Preservation Ltd. of London, England, according to Franklin County Real Property Tax Service records.
Code Officers Jim Haley and Charlie Robert declared the building unsafe and ordered that the bridge’s sidewalk on the north side of Main Street be closed to pedestrian traffic.
“We don’t know where it will fall,” LePine said.“The village has its 36-inch sewer main right under there on the river.”
He said debris could just as easily fall on Main Street onto vehicles passing over the bridge, but officials are not sure what can be done without some outside government help.
“This building is unsafe, but it’s just not in Malone,” LePoine said, pointing to an ongoing issue the Village of Chateaugay is having with a structure crumbling at the corner of Route 11 and Route 374.
“The leaders in the federal government have got to know that buildings in these villages are 150 years old,” he said.“Mortar lasts for 100 years, and after that, the (building materials) start going the other way.
“They decay and break down.”
The hands of municipal leaders are typically tied in government red tape when they want to remove a hazardous building because older structures may contain cancer-causing friable asbestos, which must be removed under strict environmental guidelines.
Congressman Bill Owens (D-Plattsburgh) recently reintroduced a bill to allow the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to waive its restrictions in certain cases, when a building is either identified as dangerous or in imminent danger of falling down.
The measure never made it out of committee last year, but Owens resurrected the idea in January before the newly elected Congress.
Owens was instrumental in helping the Village of Malone in 2011 when the former Tavern Arms, or Nikki’s Place, on Main Street collapsed in on itself.
The EPA funded the cleanup after discovering asbestos was present in the debris.
The building at 395 West Main is asbestos-free because a previous owner gutted it and removed all contaminants, LePine said.
But it will be a special challenge to whomever removes the building.
There is no rear access point, besides the fact that it abuts an active business, For Arts Sake; it is in close proximity to the village’s major sewer line; and is adjacent to the Main Street bridge high above the river.
“It’s a logistical problem that has to be addressed,” the mayor said.
Email Denise A. Raymo: [email protected]
#2 Feb 5, 2013
I'm glad someone noticed, before it hit the river.
If it falls and damages that sewer line, we'll all be up Shit Creek.
Metaphorically speaking, of course.
#4 Feb 5, 2013
The health and vibrancy of any community can be gauged by the number of people that walk down its streets.
I guess there isn't much of that, when the sidewalk is closed.
#6 Feb 5, 2013
DO I SEE another Flannagan mess here,, some dummy corporation backed by some unnamed investors in NJ. claiming to want to buy this building and make it a world wide tourist attraction. Where is Mike Maneely pushing for the sale of this building to these unnamed investors.?..they could put new windows in it and walla, it could sit for another 10 years as a home for pigeons just like the Flannagan.. Or maybe Tim Lashom would buy it with Rick Ellis and turn it into a health spa run by Nancy Reich..
#7 Feb 5, 2013
Well there you go.
I can't see it anchoring anyone's loans if it's in the river.
But stranger things have happened, I suppose.
#8 Feb 5, 2013
Do some research-the company listed as the owner has dissolved. The owner has started another company. No, he (or she) does not appear to be related to Colleen main.
#9 Feb 5, 2013
Was this side walk closed for the parade or was the parade more important to the village then the people standing in front of the building watching it.
#11 Feb 6, 2013
I was just asking since I didn't go to the parade, so chill out, take a pill, get a life.
#12 Feb 6, 2013
Herkimer Infantile Teabagger Troll is having a meltdown.
Give it some space, unless you want nasty psycho dribble all over you.
Any day now,'Herkimer' will be going back to 'Ogdensburg'.
It's already hallucinating SNAKES.
#13 Feb 6, 2013
So, does anyone know if there's a plan, yet, to keep this building out of the river?
I can't imagine that just anyone could deal with it.
#14 Feb 6, 2013
i wouldn't tell you even if you were the last person on earth. why would i want to open myself up to your abuse.
#15 Feb 7, 2013
You might remotely fall under 'anyone', but you're certainly not 'everyone' and I couldn't imagine that you have any actual reliable information anyway.
In any case, nobody can believe a thing you post, regardless. Anything you post is probably another HALLUCINATION. Like the SNAKES.
If I ever ask a question in here? Rest assured, I'm not asking YOU.
No problem. We can always make this a real live ISSUE.
#16 Feb 7, 2013
Are the village building inspectors still doing HUD inspections for the county? We DO realize that, in most places, the housing workers do that?
If they are, imagine what actual building inspection could occur, were Section 8 workers running their own checklists. We'd have a list of every problem building in the village, and might, then, even be actually able to formulate a PLAN to correct the issues.
It's NOT rocket science. Not nearly.
#17 Feb 7, 2013
There is no plan to fix the problem yet.
Village inspectors do not do HUD inspections unless it is required under the scope of their work.
As to the scope of the problem and a plan, previous village governments have ignored these problems. I am not a big fan of the present mayor but the board is being much more proactive. They are siting owners for problems and taking them to court. There is a full time inspector now as well as a half time inspector which is an improvement. They are getting the list but it will take time because this problem has been ignored for 20 years.
#18 Feb 7, 2013
Thanks. I appreciate the information. Please keep us posted.
You're absolutely right, it seems like this stuff has been ignored for awhile, maybe for generations.
It's good to know that something comprehensive is being done now. That's as good as it gets.
As far as HUD inspections go, I've seen it; not recently but I have seen it. Just know that in other places the housing workers take care of that, and that the state trains workers at no cost to the county.
#19 Feb 7, 2013
I also understand that the county is going to be hiring a planner. If they get the right person, and that person is allowed to do their job, the improvement in all things here is going to be extraordinary.
#20 Feb 7, 2013
#21 Feb 7, 2013
Tear the building down and a few others along the river, and set up a camp ground, and charge and Malone might makes some money.
#22 Feb 7, 2013
Camping, over the sewer line...
Maybe if enough of that were cleared it'd be possible to bury that sewer line.
I don't know if the camping part would work there but enough of that riverbank cleared could make an excellent park. It would be great having riverfront green space in the middle of downtown.
Malone, with a River Walk??
#24 Feb 7, 2013
That would take people who are willing to act on it--like the committee that's been doing it for several years and now seems to be finally making some headway. Can we thank you for helping You Bet?
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