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Thought

New York, NY

#1 Dec 30, 2012
On 9/11 approximately 3,000 people died and we went to war which has lasted for more than 10 years. Few protested and some 6,500 troops have died, at least another 60,000 have been seriously wounded and the whole affair has achieved little, if anything, and has also cost us $1,000,000,000,000.(that's what a trillion looks like).
In the USA in 2011 some 10,500 died from gunshots and we did nothing until in 2011 when 20 babies were murdered at their elementary school, and whats the best we can come up with? In Utah teachers are allowed to carry guns in school....little Jimmy might be well advised to watch his p's & q's.....and the NRA says put armed guards in schools so that "the bad guys with guns can be shot by the good guys with guns!" For comparison, in Canada 52 died and in Japan 8.
If this is the best we can come up with, I think we need to rethink our position in the world from leader of the millenium to that of village idiot.
OK HOW

Albany, NY

#2 Dec 31, 2012
You are in charge,, what would you do?
Lets see, many drugs are outlawed and closely regulated, still easy to get.would it be the same with guns,,, don't we have enough laws on the books now.. if people will not obey laws, what good are more laws going to do.. guns are not the problem,, people are the problem, behavior, morality, attitude, intolerance, poor parenting, poor or violent role models, video games that glorify killing and shooting. Guns are not living things,,, they do not do things with out people... so I ask you,,, what would you do... and I remind you that every time the government assumed more control over you,,, the less rights you have in the long run. I suggest you move to a county that does not allow anyone to own guns, like Russia or China and see how you like it would you feel safer there?... I personally like the statement that Only free people can own guns.
truth be told

New York, NY

#3 Dec 31, 2012
i do not want my libertis nd rights taken away but there is no one not anyone who can tell me that you need a gun that can shot 50 bullets in 5 seconds. you canot hunt with it the animal would have no meat left and if you are such a good marks men then you only need one maybe two bullets to stop a intruder. I am a hunter I own guns I keep them locked up with the bullets locked in another room for safety and I dont even have kids yet so please dont tell me that automatic weapons being banned in our country is going to take any rights away from me. I am a American and I will not move to russia or china I will stand up for the rights of adults and children and express that we can mke this country alittle safer if we can take any gun out of the hands of indivduals who can cause multiple murders in just 5 seconds. You might believe I am on top of a soap box preaching right now but just so you know I Am!!!!
OK HOW

Albany, NY

#4 Dec 31, 2012
truth be told wrote:
i do not want my libertis nd rights taken away but there is no one not anyone who can tell me that you need a gun that can shot 50 bullets in 5 seconds. you canot hunt with it the animal would have no meat left and if you are such a good marks men then you only need one maybe two bullets to stop a intruder. I am a hunter I own guns I keep them locked up with the bullets locked in another room for safety and I dont even have kids yet so please dont tell me that automatic weapons being banned in our country is going to take any rights away from me. I am a American and I will not move to russia or china I will stand up for the rights of adults and children and express that we can mke this country alittle safer if we can take any gun out of the hands of indivduals who can cause multiple murders in just 5 seconds. You might believe I am on top of a soap box preaching right now but just so you know I Am!!!!
I AGREE WITH YOU, I am in the same position as you,, here is why I am concerned. Once the door is open, it is a little draft, then it opens further and we get a strong wind, Then the door comes off and everything in side blows away.

If you ban this weapon.OK.. what will be the next one on the list? Do you honestly believe once it begins it will stop? The powers will want to band, any semiautomatic.. including shot guns, pistols, why not ban anything that hold more than one shot, wait , let ban large caliber bullets, then only rim fire allowed, then charge huge amounts of money for rim fire ammo,, its like a cancer,, once it starts it does not stop... that is the problem with gun banning,,, just like censor ship.. who decides and when do they consider honest people who do not break the laws?/ Do you really believe that criminals will obey gun laws....?
Anonymous

New York, NY

#5 Dec 31, 2012
OK HOW wrote:
You are in charge,, what would you do?
Lets see, many drugs are outlawed and closely regulated, still easy to get.would it be the same with guns,,, don't we have enough laws on the books now.. if people will not obey laws, what good are more laws going to do.. guns are not the problem,, people are the problem, behavior, morality, attitude, intolerance, poor parenting, poor or violent role models, video games that glorify killing and shooting. Guns are not living things,,, they do not do things with out people... so I ask you,,, what would you do... and I remind you that every time the government assumed more control over you,,, the less rights you have in the long run. I suggest you move to a county that does not allow anyone to own guns, like Russia or China and see how you like it would you feel safer there?... I personally like the statement that Only free people can own guns.
Both China and Russia and most other countries of the world allow their citizens to own guns but they are regulated and automatic and semi automatic weapons are normally banned. I don't and never have owned a gun and feel perfectly free, especially since I don't have the responsibility that goes with owning a gun, and I really don't feel that I need to arm myself against the government. I also have no problem with hunters and those who enjoy targeting as a sport. I have served in the military and fail to understand why a civilian needs a semi or automatic weapon and a 50 round magazine.

So I say again, what do we have to do to stop behaving as village idiots in order to protect ourselves and our children from ourselves and our children. A little regulation in the banking arena is making us feel a little more secure financially so what about the same for the firearms arena.

Me moving to China or Russia will not contribute anything to the solution of the problem......and if you think the senseless murder of 20 mere toddlers and six of their teachers is not a problem then maybe you should think of moving to China or Russia. However I don't think they would accept you on character grounds for they too have standards and would consider you an unfit person to live amongst them.
Anonymous

New York, NY

#6 Dec 31, 2012
Thirty years ago, drink driving was considered a respectable sport. Smoking was considered cool and cars did not have seat belts and thousands of our loved ones were dying unnecessarily. Don't forget PCP's, DDT, asbestos, agent orange and environmental and water pollution by manufacturers.

We lost around 6,500 military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 10 years. Back home in the good old USA, 100,000 Americans - mothers, teenagers and children and fathers, were murdered or "accidentally" shot during the same period. Gee even the VEEP tried his hand at it, although like his period in office, failed.

Does everyone in America have to suffer the loss of a loved one before we can start having a serious conversation about this matter? Or has our education system failed us to the extent that we are no longer capable of having a serious discussion?
Not From This Side

New York, NY

#7 Dec 31, 2012
I would stand up for anyone's right to own a gun/weapon.

I cannot stand up for the right of any civilian to own an automatic assault weapon.

I see no benefit to having assault weapons in the hands of those who do not need them. So I quess if you can prove to me that everyone has a need to have an assault weapon, I am going to disagree with you that this is a right granted to us by the constitution.
Anonymous

New York, NY

#8 Dec 31, 2012
So why are all you gun totin NRA members saying nothing???
ny guy

New York, NY

#9 Jan 1, 2013
Thought wrote:
So why are all you gun totin NRA members saying nothing???
ok... in 2012, 211 children were killed by drunk drivers... should we ban automobiles? ban alcohol? the govt. tried banning alcohol in the 1920s, and of course it didnt work. the mob made huge fortunes selling alcohol under the table... guns have been in this country for hundreds of years, and mass killings have erupted drastically in the past decade or so.. basically, some of todays youth were given the tv or an xbox as a baby sitter. and the highly disturbed ones enjoy spraying bullets into crowds on their x box games.. look at the columbine shootings, the kids copied woody harrelson from a movie where he was a pyscho going around shooting people ...YOU CAN PUT SIGNS ALL OVER SCHOOL BUILDINGS SAYING "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED" do you honestly think a pyscho or criminal is going to obey a law? so yes, the only way to protect americas children from a crazed society at this point is to place armed security in every school... it sucks, but it is the only way to stop the psychos... they have no regards for laws or human lives.. if you were walking down the street and some crazy guy came running towards you with an axe, would you be happy if a policeman with a gun was nearby and stopped him, either by pulling his gun, or shooting the psycho if necessary? dont you feel the innocent children deserve the same amount of protection as you? instead of sending billions of dollars to foreign countries, we could keep it here and hire amred professionals to keep the psychos out of the schools.. no one can change how a crazy person thinks inside their heads..many top politicians and celebrities have armed guards... what about the children? you can ban every gun in america, and the psychos will keep coming...wake up from your fantasy dream and face reality...
passin through

Glasgow, KY

#12 Jan 1, 2013
the gun that shoots 50 times in 5 sec. is already banned.dont believe the media
seriously

Charlestown, MA

#13 Jan 1, 2013
you guys have a serious thing coming if you think banning guns is the "safe" thing to do. its not going to keep the psychos from shooting up a school, or a movie theatre. guess what, there are other ways of getting to weapons. and they really don't give a shit.
on that note, you might want to outlaw knives, baseball bats and any other thing that can be used as a weapon because your going to see a Hell of a lot more violence when you start taking away peoples freedom!
so before you go balistic on banning guns maybe you should seriously think about some of the crazy sons of bitches out there just sitting there pondering ideas on how to blow up the walmart-mall- or school! cause I can 100% tell you, its going to happen again even with guns banned. and we have no one to blame but ourselves, the media, the government.!
Anonymous

New York, NY

#14 Jan 1, 2013
seriously wrote:
you guys have a serious thing coming if you think banning guns is the "safe" thing to do. its not going to keep the psychos from shooting up a school, or a movie theatre. guess what, there are other ways of getting to weapons. and they really don't give a shit.
on that note, you might want to outlaw knives, baseball bats and any other thing that can be used as a weapon because your going to see a Hell of a lot more violence when you start taking away peoples freedom!
so before you go balistic on banning guns maybe you should seriously think about some of the crazy sons of bitches out there just sitting there pondering ideas on how to blow up the walmart-mall- or school! cause I can 100% tell you, its going to happen again even with guns banned. and we have no one to blame but ourselves, the media, the government.!
What I am attempting to do is get a serious conversation going. I'm not talking about banning guns.

When we realized that seat belts would save lives we introduced them. We did not ban cars. When we realized that alcohol was a factor in 70% of road deaths we introduce drink driving laws. We did not ban booze. We have a problem with guns and we need to step back and take a real hard look at it. There will always be people dying from guns as long as guns exist and knives and bows and arrows and stones, spears and jumping off skyscrapers.

As I said earlier, in the past 10 years we have been at war we have lost 6,500 troops and we think that is terrible and was it worth the price. During the same period safe at home over 100,000 perish from the gun.

My question is how can we reduce that level to something more acceptable. What about reducing gun deaths next year to less than 7,000? Any suggestions?
I think

New York, NY

#15 Jan 1, 2013
seriously wrote:
you guys have a serious thing coming if you think banning guns is the "safe" thing to do. its not going to keep the psychos from shooting up a school, or a movie theatre. guess what, there are other ways of getting to weapons. and they really don't give a shit.
on that note, you might want to outlaw knives, baseball bats and any other thing that can be used as a weapon because your going to see a Hell of a lot more violence when you start taking away peoples freedom!
so before you go balistic on banning guns maybe you should seriously think about some of the crazy sons of bitches out there just sitting there pondering ideas on how to blow up the walmart-mall- or school! cause I can 100% tell you, its going to happen again even with guns banned. and we have no one to blame but ourselves, the media, the government.!
It will happen even if assault weapons continue to be legal, you're trying to change the subject. Why not try to eliminate on method that's way too easy to secure? And do you really believe a person with a baseball bat could kill 20 children and 6 children in a school? Using you're logic, we have no one to blame but folks like you for the deaths of 26 people in Newtown. I know, you'll go ballistic on me now, but look at your argument and tel me I can't turn it around on you.
seriously

Holyoke, MA

#16 Jan 1, 2013
it was just an example you nimrod. people with homade bombs sure as Hell can. and let me tell ya something. they teach kids in school how to make them. so please spare your argument. this world is going downhill and dowhill fast. we all know it. just have to make the best of it. shit happens. get over it. I'm surprised there hasn't been more shootings , stabbings etc.. with all the shit going on. people are losing it, going insane! and if someone was that fricked up in the head then yes I can see someone killing 20 children with a baseball bat. its aluminum. one blow to the head and your done dude. think realisticly.
not trying to be a debby downed, I just speak the truth, and I find no need to sugar coat anything!
I think wrote:
<quoted text>It will happen even if assault weapons continue to be legal, you're trying to change the subject. Why not try to eliminate on method that's way too easy to secure? And do you really believe a person with a baseball bat could kill 20 children and 6 children in a school? Using you're logic, we have no one to blame but folks like you for the deaths of 26 people in Newtown. I know, you'll go ballistic on me now, but look at your argument and tel me I can't turn it around on you.
Concerned

New York, NY

#17 Jan 1, 2013
A man armed with a knife cut up 20 or so people/children in China on or around the same day as the school shooting, so yes a deranged person armed with a weapon of any kind will inflict as much harm as he desires... Banning guns won't change anything. We need to address the lack of proper care/treatment for the mentally ill to prevent tragedies like this.
I think

New York, NY

#18 Jan 1, 2013
seriously wrote:
it was just an example you nimrod. people with homade bombs sure as Hell can. and let me tell ya something. they teach kids in school how to make them. so please spare your argument. this world is going downhill and dowhill fast. we all know it. just have to make the best of it. shit happens. get over it. I'm surprised there hasn't been more shootings , stabbings etc.. with all the shit going on. people are losing it, going insane! and if someone was that fricked up in the head then yes I can see someone killing 20 children with a baseball bat. its aluminum. one blow to the head and your done dude. think realisticly.
not trying to be a debby downed, I just speak the truth, and I find no need to sugar coat anything!
<quoted text>
All I can do is shake my head at this response and save my energy to discuss this with someone with some intelligence.

Someone like "Concerned." You are completely correct about the tragedy in China. But guns cause far more deaths than knives and I think we have the responsibility to try to control (ban) weapons that are designed to take a maximum number of lives with a minimum amount of effort.

"Thought's" arguments are exemplary.
I think

New York, NY

#19 Jan 1, 2013
BTW, I also don't advocate banning all guns. I have owned shotguns and rifles (although I don't now.) I have hunted and target shot. I would not have any problem at all registering my guns (I have to register my car and license my dog, why not my guns?) I do believe the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to bear arms, but I don't believe the authors of that august document, in there wildest dreams, foresaw automatic assault weapons. The mere fact they included a way to amend the Constitution tells me they knew that they didn't know everything that was to come so they created a mechanism to let future generations alter it to meet the changing times.
Dirk

New York, NY

#20 Jan 1, 2013
It's funny those who are calling for stricter laws and bans have NO IDEA what laws and bans are ALREADY set in place!

That's all I am going to say on this subject, because ultimately people are going to think and believe what they want.

My only wish is someday people will actually hold PEOPLE and not an object responsible, but its easier to blame an object.

Happy debating!
Anonymous

New York, NY

#21 Jan 1, 2013
Again, are we capable of having a serious conversation about gun control. Not trying to take guns away here, just trying to make them safer. Not about stabbings or baseball bats, its about reducing the number of Americans who are killed and murdered by guns every year.

Is it possible that we can agree there is a problem with the number of people who are dying each year in America from guns......so my question is, do any of you have suggestion as to how we can reduce that number???
Concerned

United States

#22 Jan 1, 2013
Thought wrote:
Again, are we capable of having a serious conversation about gun control. Not trying to take guns away here, just trying to make them safer. Not about stabbings or baseball bats, its about reducing the number of Americans who are killed and murdered by guns every year.

Is it possible that we can agree there is a problem with the number of people who are dying each year in America from guns......so my question is, do any of you have suggestion as to how we can reduce that number???
Well sir, apparently you missed the part of my comment which included a suggestion on how to reduce the number of deaths by guns, baseball bats, knives. If people in the country simply paid more mind to the care of those with mental illness or mental health issues and saw to it that they got proper care and continued treatment then there would be far fewer out there hurting people. And as for further gun "control" as you choose to call it.. I would take no issue with having to register my firearms or be subjected to more regulations regarding the purchase or said firearms... But, should some office monkey in Washington be able to decide what guns I own? True, were all required to register our vehicles and there are strict safety regulations for all of us to follow when it comes to our cars, but should the be allowed to tell you you can't own a Porsche because its safer to drive a Honda? Seriously, if you give the gov't an inch of your freedom, they're going to take a mile. You have to address the real issues, not the scapegoats.

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