Waynesburg couple opens business that caters to smokers

Shannon and Ken Bratschie are shown in their Waynesburg business, Dad's Tobacco Shop, with daughters Dawn, 8 and Abbi, 3 and the family dog. Full Story
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concerned

Dover, OH

#1 Feb 29, 2012
yeah....thats the enviroment i'd want my 2 young daughters raised in ... lol I imagine they will grow up to be smokers
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#2 Feb 29, 2012
concerned wrote:
yeah....thats the enviroment i'd want my 2 young daughters raised in ... lol I imagine they will grow up to be smokers
yeah, great "Americana" image in the picture.

It took a bit of poking around to figure out that this was a place in Ohio. I find that happens a lot with the newspapers Topix links to.

I've forgotten what Ohio's law says about smoking in such shops. Is it legal with or without the children present? In some places, the shop would provide a place where the kids could get out of the smoke-filled environment of their home!
A Vet

New Philadelphia, OH

#3 Mar 1, 2012
It's legal, so what.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#4 Mar 1, 2012
A Vet wrote:
It's legal, so what.
What is?
A Vet

New Philadelphia, OH

#5 Mar 1, 2012
Selling the products with children present is legal. No establishments are smoke free in Ohio. They may be smokers but do you know for a fact they smoke around their kids in the home?
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#6 Mar 2, 2012
A Vet wrote:
Selling the products with children present is legal. No establishments are smoke free in Ohio. They may be smokers but do you know for a fact they smoke around their kids in the home?
"No establishments are smoke free in Ohio"?

Actually, you seem to have completely misconstrued my musings.

I was wondering about the legality of smoking in a tobacco shop in Ohio, and whether--as is the case in some places--the presence of children affected the legality of smoking.

My reference to smoking in the home was general and not a specific reference to THESE children, as indicated by the phrase "In some places".

I looked at Ohio's law, and found this:

"Any retail tobacco store that begins operation after the effective date of this section or any existing retail tobacco store that relocates to another location after the effective date of this section may only qualify for this exemption if located in a freestanding structure occupied solely by the business and smoke from the business does not migrate into an enclosed area where smoking is prohibited under the provisions of this chapter."

Nothing in the story indicates whether the shop fits this description. It does say they opened the shop last year, so smoking would only be legal in the shop if it DID meet those standards.

If their candles and consignment service became popular enough to exceed 20% of their sales, they wouldn't qualify even then.
solo

Dover, OH

#7 Mar 2, 2012
How about the government just backs off?
Just me -

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Mar 2, 2012
Nice that they are helping their community. It's too bad they won't be around much longer between their weight problems and smoking. You'd think someone his age would do what's necessary to be around for his daughters' graduations and weddings.
An American

New Philadelphia, OH

#9 Mar 2, 2012
Just me, that's mean what you said. Not all get cancer, those that do is 30 to 40 years out. Their weight, come on, could be a medical problem, besides it's called individual freedom and I don't want you or government intervening.
Just me -

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Mar 2, 2012
Cancer isn't the only thing smoking can cause. Yes weight problems can be related to medical problems but did you notice they are both overweight? Her chances of becoming diabetic are higher due to her weight and smoking only makes complications from diabetes worse as it wreaks havoc on your circulatory system. He looks to be almost 70 so, smoking or not, there's a good chance he won't be around anyway and there certainly are few smokers that survive into their 80s and 90s. My guess is that neither of them ever spent much time thinking about, let alone engaging in any type of excercise. This all unfortunately sets up a really bad example for their children. Mean or not, it's the truth.
An American wrote:
Just me, that's mean what you said. Not all get cancer, those that do is 30 to 40 years out. Their weight, come on, could be a medical problem, besides it's called individual freedom and I don't want you or government intervening.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#11 Mar 2, 2012
solo wrote:
How about the government just backs off?
How about the tobacco companies just shut down?
An American

New Philadelphia, OH

#12 Mar 2, 2012
Government won't let that happen, it's called tax revenue Hugh Jass. You may be right, Just me, remember it's freedom of choice in America. People are responsible for their own choices, right or wrong, good or bad.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#13 Mar 2, 2012
An American wrote:
Government won't let that happen, it's called tax revenue Hugh Jass. You may be right, Just me, remember it's freedom of choice in America. People are responsible for their own choices, right or wrong, good or bad.
Yup. If they choose to smoke, they will find themselves unwelcome in a growing number and variety of venues.

If there ever was an enemy of free choice, it is the tobacco industry. It spent huge amounts of money on decades of careful and extravagant research into what would result in the highest instance of addiction. That included monitoring the attitudes and brands most strongly associated with smokers under 14 years old as well as just what level of ammonia would give cigarettes the maximum addictive potential before the increase in harshness began to reduce consumption in spite of the increased addiction.

“"You're Ok to me"”

Since: Jan 08

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#14 Mar 2, 2012
Thats funny...owning a shop/product you cant even legally purchase. Sooo...how would a wholesaler sell to this shop?
chicken little

Clinton, MD

#15 Mar 3, 2012
I can see from the faux wood paneling that the smokers who quit going to the bars are spending all of their money in that shop. Seriously, why would you want to open a business targeting a segment of the population that is poor and uneducated, given that smokers are notoriously fickle and will drop a business like a turd in a toilet by spending their money on cheap, untaxed cigarettes from China.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#16 Mar 3, 2012
Euro K 2Me wrote:
Thats funny...owning a shop/product you cant even legally purchase. Sooo...how would a wholesaler sell to this shop?
Huh?
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#17 Mar 3, 2012
chicken little wrote:
I can see from the faux wood paneling that the smokers who quit going to the bars are spending all of their money in that shop. Seriously, why would you want to open a business targeting a segment of the population that is poor and uneducated, given that smokers are notoriously fickle and will drop a business like a turd in a toilet by spending their money on cheap, untaxed cigarettes from China.
Consider, too, that the reduction in consumption of tobacco products over recent years has resulted in the tobacco companies themselves jacking up the price per unit to keep their profits level.
Just me -

United States

#18 Mar 3, 2012
Yup it's their choice to smoke and over eat and to not be around long enough to see their daughters graduate and get married.
An American wrote:
Government won't let that happen, it's called tax revenue Hugh Jass. You may be right, Just me, remember it's freedom of choice in America. People are responsible for their own choices, right or wrong, good or bad.

“"You're Ok to me"”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#19 Mar 4, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
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Huh?
Huge Ass, I'm wondering how a wholesaler can sell to this shop if minors own the shop. Isnt it illegal to sell tobacco products to minors?
An American

New Philadelphia, OH

#20 Mar 4, 2012
Minors don't own the shop. Obama is not uneducated and he smokes.

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