Gays. Straights, Hold Kiss-In at Mormon Temple

[Pahoran]

rezlez wrote:

I forgot to mention during the presidential election there was one politician that wanted to put gays on a reservation or on the reservations we already have with Native American like we did the Japanese.

Who was that, and where can I read his/her position?

Regards,
Pahoran

[rezlez]

Pahoran wrote:

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Who was that, and where can I read his/her position?
Regards,
Pahoran

I wish I could tell you but I have already forgot about it but it came out during the election and even the night talk shows mentioned it. Sorry I don't remember names worth a s--- but there were some jokes made about it. Gays on the reservation were asked about it but most didn't mind because our pickings are limited. In fact my ad comes back in my area, no choices in your area try another state.All I remember is that he was a Republican.

[rezlez]

It was during the primaries when there was a discussion about this.

[Pahoran]

rezlez wrote:

<quoted text>I wish I could tell you but I have already forgot about it but it came out during the election and even the night talk shows mentioned it. Sorry I don't remember names worth a s--- but there were some jokes made about it. Gays on the reservation were asked about it but most didn't mind because our pickings are limited. In fact my ad comes back in my area, no choices in your area try another state.All I remember is that he was a Republican.

Well here's the thing: in my view, such a position -- if in fact it was someone's position -- ought to be far more worrying than whether "same sex marriage" is recognised by law or not.

The trouble is that politicians, pundits, commentators, talkback show hosts, talkback callers and a host of others make all sorts of throwaway comments about many subjects, and "rumour with her thousand tongues" can easily parlay them into something they are not. I can easily imagine a situation where someone might make some remark like "I have some reservations about gay marriage," and then it gets repeated a couple of times and completely garbled.

A Google search for "gay reservation" turned up a number of hits for hotel accommodation, evidently catering to the "sex tourist" crowd, but nothing about anything political. Given the kind of furore I'd expect any such position to generate, the lack of any record of it suggests that the pollie in question may not have said what you thought he said.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Shoe]

Imprtnrd wrote:

<quoted text>Btw did you full fill your quest? ROTFL.

Sad that you must live such a miserable life knowing that you aren't normal. No matter how many laws they pass you folks will never be normal or accepted.

[Grandpasmurf952]

Here is a politician that the Mormons would love:

http://current.com/items/85161291_ugandas-muf...

Being gay is something that people are born with.

It's just a matter of time before someone sues organizations such as the Mormons for slander and wins!

Too may people are suffering and actually dying due to the religious insanity exhibited by such homophobes!

Every time another teenager commits suicide in the mormon church because of the way they were born the Prophet's hands get bloodier!

[Smartypantz]

Pahoran wrote:

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Well here's the thing: in my view, such a position -- if in fact it was someone's position -- ought to be far more worrying than whether "same sex marriage" is recognised by law or not.
The trouble is that politicians, pundits, commentators, talkback show hosts, talkback callers and a host of others make all sorts of throwaway comments about many subjects, and "rumour with her thousand tongues" can easily parlay them into something they are not. I can easily imagine a situation where someone might make some remark like "I have some reservations about gay marriage," and then it gets repeated a couple of times and completely garbled.
A Google search for "gay reservation" turned up a number of hits for hotel accommodation, evidently catering to the "sex tourist" crowd, but nothing about anything political. Given the kind of furore I'd expect any such position to generate, the lack of any record of it suggests that the pollie in question may not have said what you thought he said.
Regards,
Pahoran

So many positions ... so little time !

[Pahoran]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Here is a politician that the Mormons would love:

Actually he's not a politician; he's a Muslim religious leader.

And how are his attitudes towards homosexuals different from your attitudes towards believing Latter-day Saints?

I suggest they differ only in that his attitudes are less violent than yours.

Here's a politician I'm sure you do love:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilburn_Boggs

Or are you just disappointed that his Extermination Order was never properly carried out?

Regards,
Pahoran

[Grandpasmurf952]

Pahoran said "And how are his attitudes towards homosexuals different from your attitudes towards believing Latter-day Saints?"

well.... for starters I am not advocating murder or damnation for those who insist on being mormons.

While your organization has made it's stand on homosexuality quite clear and refuses to back down even when mormon children commit suicide because your church told them they had to change or face condemnation. Something they could no more do than a man born with brown eyes could change them to blue!

What I am doing is trying to wake up everyone who has been lulled into delusion by false religion.

and as to the extermination order, do you know why the populace of Missouri was afraid of the mormons?

Here is a more truthful account of the situation than your church has taught you:

http://1857massacre.com/MMM/exterminationorde...

[Smartypantz]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Pahoran said "And how are his attitudes towards homosexuals different from your attitudes towards believing Latter-day Saints?"
well.... for starters I am not advocating murder or damnation for those who insist on being mormons.
While your organization has made it's stand on homosexuality quite clear and refuses to back down even when mormon children commit suicide because your church told them they had to change or face condemnation. Something they could no more do than a man born with brown eyes could change them to blue!
What I am doing is trying to wake up everyone who has been lulled into delusion by false religion.
and as to the extermination order, do you know why the populace of Missouri was afraid of the mormons?
Here is a more truthful account of the situation than your church has taught you:
http://1857massacre.com/MMM/exterminationorde...

Colored contacts and a toy .

[Pahoran]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Pahoran said "And how are his attitudes towards homosexuals different from your attitudes towards believing Latter-day Saints?"
well.... for starters I am not advocating murder or damnation for those who insist on being mormons.

No, you just want the Church to be destroyed.

And your Muslim cleric and hero wasn't "advocating murder or damnation" for anyone, either.

He just wanted homosexuals to go away.

Just like you want us to go away.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

While your organization has made it's stand on homosexuality quite clear and refuses to back down even when mormon children commit suicide because your church told them they had to change or face condemnation.

Call for references that the Church has any such teaching.

Call for references that any causal link has been found between suicide and any of the Church's teachings.

You throw out these unsubstantiated accusations, and then you bleat when I call you on them. As the accuser, you shoulder the burden of proof. Can you satisfy it?

Or will you be honest enough -- just this once -- to admit that you can't, and withdraw the accusation?

You can read about the actual correlation between LDS teachings and suicide here:

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/lds_dem.htm...

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Here is a more truthful account of the situation than your church has taught you:

"More truthful" = Smurfese for "more useful for my anti-Mormon agenda."

I find it fascinating that you invariably rely upon the most extreme fringe sources you can find.

Regards,
Pahoran

[radioholic]

Pahoran wrote:

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Well here's the thing: in my view, such a position -- if in fact it was someone's position -- ought to be far more worrying than whether "same sex marriage" is recognised by law or not.
The trouble is that politicians, pundits, commentators, talkback show hosts, talkback callers and a host of others make all sorts of throwaway comments about many subjects, and "rumour with her thousand tongues" can easily parlay them into something they are not. I can easily imagine a situation where someone might make some remark like "I have some reservations about gay marriage," and then it gets repeated a couple of times and completely garbled.
A Google search for "gay reservation" turned up a number of hits for hotel accommodation, evidently catering to the "sex tourist" crowd, but nothing about anything political. Given the kind of furore I'd expect any such position to generate, the lack of any record of it suggests that the pollie in question may not have said what you thought he said.
Regards,
Pahoran

It was discussed on late night talk shows during the primary elections. Just because I don't remeber the source doesn't mean that a politican didn't say it. Just because you didn't find it on the internet doesn't mean that it wasn't discussed just because you don't believe it. It was quickly squatched and covered up and denied. I am not the only one that heard it. It was talked about on the Navajo reservation as well. I don't know if there was an article in the Navajo Times about it but I am not the only person that had a discussion about it. There's people that don't believe we rounded up Japenese and put them on a reservation too but that really did happen.Just because the comment was said doesn't mean that it could happen. I didn't imagine it. I do get my news sometimes off the comedy channel and off the night talk shows so it did originate from somewhere.It is not like it was a documentary on PPS.

[rezlez]

One time in a straight bar across from a gay bar in Vancouver WA two women got the police called on them for kissing so I invited the lesbian Avengers to come party at the bar. The funny thing is when they called the police they sent the gay cops on bicycles and the cops said looks like you are making money and everyone is having a good time. they had another one after that. The straight bar owner was so distressed it was turned into a gay bar and it wasn't illegal that he closed the bar.maybe it is time to have a kiss-in.

[Pahoran]

radioholic wrote:

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It was discussed on late night talk shows during the primary elections. Just because I don't remeber the source doesn't mean that a politican didn't say it. Just because you didn't find it on the internet doesn't mean that it wasn't discussed just because you don't believe it. It was quickly squatched and covered up and denied. I am not the only one that heard it. It was talked about on the Navajo reservation as well. I don't know if there was an article in the Navajo Times about it but I am not the only person that had a discussion about it. There's people that don't believe we rounded up Japenese and put them on a reservation too but that really did happen.Just because the comment was said doesn't mean that it could happen. I didn't imagine it. I do get my news sometimes off the comedy channel and off the night talk shows so it did originate from somewhere.It is not like it was a documentary on PPS.

I'm not accusing you of anything; I'm just looking for some more information: the actual words that were spoken and by whom, would be a start. While I think it would be impossible to actually squash such a story -- it's too juicy not to run with -- it is easy for rumours to take on a life of their own. I've seen it many times.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Jimbo]

Rumor has it Joseph Smith is a liar.

Do you think old Gordo and his wife are having sex in the CK?

[radioholic]

Pahoran wrote:

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I'm not accusing you of anything; I'm just looking for some more information: the actual words that were spoken and by whom, would be a start. While I think it would be impossible to actually squash such a story -- it's too juicy not to run with -- it is easy for rumours to take on a life of their own. I've seen it many times.
Regards,
Pahoran

Sorry I didn't catch it but I 'm coming up on finals so can't look it up right now. It was probably meant as a joke.BIA officials are just as homophobic as other officials.If I find it during the break I will let you know.

[Grandpasmurf952]

radioholic said "Sorry I didn't catch it but I 'm coming up on finals so can't look it up right now. It was probably meant as a joke.BIA officials are just as homophobic as other officials.If I find it during the break I will let you know. "

I would not worry to much about providing sources to mormon trolls. If they find an error they will promptly attack, if not they will either ignore your post altogether or simply use the old ad hominin stratagy and call you names, and of course the old tried and true mormon stratagy of lying to protect the teachings of their lord and master:

http://mormonthink.com/lying.htm

They are not interested in truth at all.
They are here to defend the insanity of their church and it's prophets.

[radioholic]

I think the comment about rounding gays up and putting them in a reservation was a joke because a concentration camp isn't funny. It was made when the Values Voters summit was going on when Star Parker wanted to quatantine sodomites.Video:
On October 20 and 21st, I attended the Value Voters Summit, a massive gathering hosted by the Colorado-based Christian right mega-ministry, Focus on the Family, and its Washington lobbying arm, the Family Research Council.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/...

I tried to research it in between my finals but found these:

Dvid Brooks made a comment about the energy it would take to round up Jews, gypsys and Gays.

Huklebee wants to quarentine AIDS patients, blmes gays.

Sally Kern said that we should use our troops to round up and kill homosexuals.

A simular discussion on (Genetics the topic) someone suggested rounding up gays like you round up jews and put them in re-education camps (like they did with American Indians).

President Nojoma urges to round up gays in Africa.

I don't support any of these views just posting them for you to google.

[ltndncr59]

Shoe wrote:

<quoted text>Sad that you must live such a miserable life knowing that you aren't normal. No matter how many laws they pass you folks will never be normal or accepted.

You're absolutely right! I'm NOT "normal," I'm quite extraordinary! And if you never accept me, I really don't care. You mean less than nothing to me. I AM accepted by the people in my life, and my marriage will soon be recognized by the federal government. Your opinion is moot.

[rezlez]

ltndncr59 wrote:

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You're absolutely right! I'm NOT "normal," I'm quite extraordinary! And if you never accept me, I really don't care. You mean less than nothing to me. I AM accepted by the people in my life, and my marriage will soon be recognized by the federal government. Your opinion is moot.

Congradulations on your marriage. Marriage has never worked to my favor but I support your right to it.I'm so glad not to be normal! Wouldn't it be funny to line up gays and lesbians at the temple like they line up the bride and grooms and have a kiss off.People still want to kill or round up people that are different which is not funny.