#42 Oct 21, 2010
I WAS THERE!!! Sounds like too many are beliving the media. The media wants to sell newspapers and advertisment time. The people in the "know" are the forensic professionals and law enforcement investigating, who where there with their cameras, measuring tapes, chemicals, and spray paint, who inerviewed the 3 teens in the truck,(yes 3, 1 male and 2 female). The media did not report that the other cyclist rolled Karen from her side to her back shaking her demanding she say somthing to him. The ballon on the dash board was placed there by a media photographer to make a better picture.
#43 Oct 21, 2010
I believe you. Were you one of the passengers, or just in the same area at that time? You suggest that the media isn't reporting this story properly, but other than the number of passengers in the truck and some things that were probably left out for sensitivity to the victims, you didn't provide any details of what they got incorrect. And to be frank, the additional information you did provide doesn't change anything. If anything it's even more damning for the driver of the vehicle. Multiple teenage kids in the same car is just one more source of distraction the driver, and one more poor choice on top of the multitude of others to contribute to an already tenuous situation. BTW, you can't be certain that the actions of the other cyclist had any bearing on the outcome, and regardless of whether or not they did, blaming him for the result when he didn't cause the accident shows a blatant disregard for human decency. I believe an apology is in order.
#44 Oct 22, 2010
@Malarkey: "shes responsible?? umm if the guy would not have touched her and picked her up, she still could have been here today so get the facts yeah? she is a teenager that has to live with this the rest of her life. If you killed someone and this same senario would have happened, would you want everyone saying this was all your fault?
#45 Oct 23, 2010
Once again I think you need to take your own advice about getting the facts. Have you even read what Ive written? Did you understand it? Have you read what the police have said? Have you paid attention to even a single report on the incident? Please exercise some thought and look past your obvious bias for the killer. If the other bicyclist had not touched her, Karen still would have likely died. And even in the remote chance that she "COULD" have lived, she would still be suffering through serious injuries, the driver of the truck would still be responsible for the accident, and would still be facing charges for her recklessness. The fact that the police and all the news outlets have not even mentioned this shows that everyone in the know thinks it is not relevant. And, if you think it through, or have any feeling, you would see that claim is highly speculative and extremely coldhearted, and is therefore better left unreported.
Again, ANYTHING this girl has to live with pales in comparison with what the victims are forced to deal with due to her poor choices. How can you be so indignant about the offenders feelings while simultaneously displaying an utter lack of regard for the victims and their grief? Those mourning Karens death are being victimized again by the indifference of those that apparently think its okay to break the law and that one shouldnt be held accountable for their actions if they feel bad! You cant see how ludicrous and insensitive that is?!!? You cant see how hurtful your apathy toward the victims is?!!?
I hope that I can always apply enough wisdom to never find myself in a situation like this girl created for herself. But, if in the future I ever do find myself being responsible for anothers death due to my neglect, I would hope that those advocating on my behalf would show the victims more consideration and respect than what Ive seen here. I didnt say this is ALL her fault. Ill even agree that there are some mitigating circumstances. But nothing has been said that qualifies this girl for amnesty and allowing her actions to stand on their own without any penalty imposed by the judicial system would be an affront to justice. Everyone should be outraged that yet another person has had to pay the price for distracted driving. This should be a wake-up call to take driving responsibilities seriously. I hope the driver is very aware of the realities of this situation. It would seem that some of you are in need of being reminded. I wonder if ANY of you would be taking this stance if it were your friend or family member that was killed.
#46 Oct 23, 2010
Okay so I am so done listening to what "Malarkey" has to say. You dont know shit about anything, and jumpin down this girls throat is not okay, we all know she was in the wrong but so was the biker. The police said she was not speeding so stop saying she was. She feels terrible but saying bad things about her on here is not doing anything but making you look like a "jerk". Why are you trying to put your mouth or comment on every thing someone else says.. Yes we should be feeling bad for the families of the biker and young girl. They are both victims.
Some facts you are stating to everyone are wrong. Unless you were there or in the car Stop talking bad about this young girl, you dont know what really happend or how this girl feels so Get your facts straight before you try and talk shit!:)
Two both families and friends of these "TWO VICTIMS" I am sorry for the terrible accident that has happend. My prays are with you..
#47 Oct 24, 2010
yea,, for all your guys information there were three people in the vehicle, why cant you guys feel for both sides. imagine if it was that hit the women im pretty sure you wouldnt be saying all this nonsense. the driver has live with forever an why cant you guys just drop it? it happen its not like we wanted it to. an she wasnt texting an drivng!! an what does my typing have to do with anything? haha. you guys are pathetic.
#48 Oct 24, 2010
yea,, for all your guys information there were three people in the vehicle, why cant you guys feel for both sides. imagine if it was you or you son or daughter or anyone that hit the women im pretty sure you wouldnt be saying all this nonsense. the driver has to live with this forever an why cant you guys just drop it? it happen its not like we wanted it to. an she wasnt texting an drivng!! an what does my typing have to do with anything? haha. you guys are pathetic. "Malarkey"
#49 Oct 24, 2010
Once again, I did not claim she was speeding. My comment was based on two witnesses, who were there, and were interviewed at the scene, who did think she was speeding. There have been others who have stated that speed on that road is a chronic problem, especially among high school students. Based on that, it is not unfair to suggest that speeding could have been an issue. If you look again you will see that until now, I havent mentioned speeding since the police stated it wasnt a factor on Wednesday afternoon. In fact, since then no one has discussed speeding.
The police did state at the same time however, that this is a case of distracted driving. Every news outlet that did a follow-up story on Wednesday covered it. The police also werent there, but I assure you that when it comes to the legal system their statements are considered truth. Neither biker caused the accident, the drivers multiple acts of negligence did. Any contributions the bikers made are insignificant and irrelevant as far as the law is concerned. To suggest otherwise either displays unawareness of the situation, or disrespect for the law.
Im not trying to put my mouth on every comment, I have simply responded to comments that are either obviously directed at me, or in a couple of instances where what was posted was so erroneous I felt I needed to respond. Attempting to insult someones intelligence just because you disagree with them doesnt make a valid point, and doesnt make one look any smarter. I think Ive done a pretty good job about getting the facts straight. Please show me an example where I stated something as fact that isnt true. Im trying to be fair in my statements; I wish some of you would show the same courtesy.
Here are a few definitions of the word victim quickly gleaned from several sources:
one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent
a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency
One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, agency, or condition
Its obvious that the statement there is more than one victim is true. The repercussions of the drivers actions have far-reaching implications and have adversely affected a lot of people. And Im not just referring to the friends and family of the person she killed. But unless you are claiming that suffering the consequences of ones own actions qualifies them as a victim, it just doesnt apply here.
Im not trying to be a jerk, or jump down the girls throat. As I stated before, I dont think she needs to be reminded of the reality of this situation, and my remarks are not directed to her. I promise you that if everyone that has posted acknowledged her guilt or paid appropriate respects to those grieving, as you did, I probably wouldnt have said anything at all. Obviously my remarks have not been having the effect I desired. I apologize for letting my emotions get the better of me, or if I have been unnecessarily harsh. I bear no ill will toward the driver. I just wish some of you would realize how inconsiderate your comments are to Karen, her friends, and her family.
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