Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32007 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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#19940 Feb 9, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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...blah, blah, blah...
I'm very interested in where you got your facts from... because you didn't read any of the History from first hand experience...

1. Did you talk to Emma and get your facts right?

2. When did you see him having sex with anyone, including married women and 14 year old's?

3. I know if I married a second husband, my husband would have some knowledge of it... especially if he came around at night with him home... did you talk to these husband's?

or, were these the husband's who abandoned or abused the women& children, causing them to have to run from for safety?

******

You don't understand the concept of seeking the answers from first hand sources... You don't understand what the Book of Mormon is about... and You don't understand what you are talking about.

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It has been discussed in this forum how rapes, murders, prostitution, theft, all kinds of crimes have increased in modern times (that means now).

Why don't you do yourself a favor and go read the entire Book of Mormon and find out what the heart of the Church is about. Joseph Smith was a tool that Heavenly Father thought was worthy to translate the Book of Mormon.

We are Christians. The Church's name - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - should give you a clue regarding your delusions of who the Church belongs to.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian

Definition of a Christian

adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.

n.
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

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Your arguments are so dull... you don't know what you are talking about... copy and pasting isn't a form of intelligence. Seeking correct answers from the appropriate sources is, followed by speaking the truth.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#19942 Feb 9, 2013
BTW:

The Bible testifies of of The Book of Mormon,

John 10:15-16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Isaiah 29:11-14

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19944 Feb 9, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
BTW:
The Bible testifies of of The Book of Mormon,
John 10:15-16
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The "other" sheep were the gentiles.
Isaiah 29:11-14
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
An example of what happens when cults try to make square pegs fit in round holes:

Bible verses must be interpreted in their God given contexts to correctly understand them. The KJV of Isaiah 29:1-10 is clearly about the impending destruction of Jerusalem and the unstableness of her enemies. It did not change in Isaiah 29:11-12 which says:“And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed.” The subject is “the VISION of ALL”(all that was revealed in Isaiah 29:1-10) became to YOU (Jerusalem) like a book that is sealed.”

The original Hebrew word for “book” literally means a “letter” or “writing,” not a book like in a library. Isaiah told Jerusalem that his message to them was like a sealed letter which wasn’t understood because of their spiritual blindness. In the vision, the writing was given to a learned (educated) man who was told to read it. He replied “I can’t, because it’s sealed.” The writing was then given to a man who was not learned (uneducated) who was also told to read it. He replied, I can’t read it because I’m not educated. So, neither man read or understood the writing which was the vision that Isaiah revealed to Jerusalem.

Because they were spiritually blind, the Lord said in Isaiah 29:13,“This people (the Jews) draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me” which is why they didn’t understand Isaiah’s message. Verse 14 then says,“Behold, I will do a marvelous work and a wonder among this people (Jerusalem)…The wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding (intelligence) of their prudent (intelligent) men shall be hid”(or vanish).

That, and the destruction mentioned in Isaiah 29:3-4, is the “marvelous (or amazing) work and wonder”(or astonishment,) not the coming forth of the Book of Mormon as LDS claim! The Lord did not foretell the coming forth of the Book of Mormon in the midst of revealing to Jerusalem their impending destruction!

https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php...

God isn't going to start talking about a boy in New York thousands of years later in the middle of a revelation about the destruction of Jerusalem. Wishful thinking does not give you truth.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19945 Feb 9, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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I'm very interested in where you got your facts from... because you didn't read any of the History from first hand experience...
1. Did you talk to Emma and get your facts right?
Emma tore up the first copy of D&C 132. She saw through the BS. It was Joseph Smith trying to justify his sexual perversions in the name of the Lord.

On the morning of the 12th of July, 1843; Joseph and Hyrum Smith came into the office.... They were talking on the subject of plural marriage. Hyrum said to Joseph, "If you will write the revelation on celestial marriage, I will take it and read it to Emma, and I believe I can convince her of its truth, and you will hereafter have peace." Joseph smiled and remarked, "You do not know Emma as well as I do." ... Joseph then said, "Well, I will write the revelation and we shall see." ... Hyrum then took the revelation to read to Emma. Joseph remained with me in the office until Hyrum returned. When he came back, Joseph asked how he had succeeded. Hyrum replied that he had never received a more severe talking to in his life....

Joseph quietly remarked, "I told you you did not know Emma as well as I did." Joseph then put the revelation in his pocket.... Two or three days after the revelation was written Joseph related to me and several others that Emma had so teased, and urgently entreated him for the privilege of destroying it, that he became so weary of her teasing, and to get rid of her annoyance, he told her she might destroy it and she had done so, but he had consented to her wish in this matter to pacify her, realizing that he ... could rewrite it at any time if necessary (History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Introduction to vol. 5).
2. When did you see him having sex with anyone, including married women and 14 year old's?
So you're another Mormon child who wants to believe that people get married not have sex?
3. I know if I married a second husband, my husband would have some knowledge of it... especially if he came around at night with him home... did you talk to these husband's?
The husbands were sent away at the time on missions for the church. That is how Smith worked it. He wanted a man's wife, he sent them on a mission.
or, were these the husband's who abandoned or abused the women& children, causing them to have to run from for safety?
There is no evidence whatsoever of that. He screwed for awhile and then moved on to his next victim, in the name of the Lord, of course.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19947 Feb 9, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text> Show me a verse that says "Mormons are not christians". You can't. I believe christ died for my sins. That alone makes my beliefs christian.
2Co 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

You see the LDS preach a different Jesus then Apostle Paul.

LDS preach Jesus is a created being he is the spirit brother of Lucifer and that he is not the creator of the Universe.

You see you preach a different Jesus and thus are not Christian.

You are no more Christian than JW's or Hindu's or Muslems who all believe in A Jesus just not the one of the Bible

So there is your verse I can post more if you like.

BTW You should be ashamed as the Bible does not have a Verse that says Satan worshipers are not Christians either but we all know they are not because the Bible defines what is a Christian not what is not.

Truth Matters and you are missing it big time.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19948 Feb 9, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm very interested in where you got your facts from... because you didn't read any of the History from first hand experience...
1. Did you talk to Emma and get your facts right?
2. When did you see him having sex with anyone, including married women and 14 year old's?
3. I know if I married a second husband, my husband would have some knowledge of it... especially if he came around at night with him home... did you talk to these husband's?
or, were these the husband's who abandoned or abused the women& children, causing them to have to run from for safety?
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You don't understand the concept of seeking the answers from first hand sources... You don't understand what the Book of Mormon is about... and You don't understand what you are talking about.
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It has been discussed in this forum how rapes, murders, prostitution, theft, all kinds of crimes have increased in modern times (that means now).
Why don't you do yourself a favor and go read the entire Book of Mormon and find out what the heart of the Church is about. Joseph Smith was a tool that Heavenly Father thought was worthy to translate the Book of Mormon.
We are Christians. The Church's name - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - should give you a clue regarding your delusions of who the Church belongs to.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian
Definition of a Christian
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
n.
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
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Your arguments are so dull... you don't know what you are talking about... copy and pasting isn't a form of intelligence. Seeking correct answers from the appropriate sources is, followed by speaking the truth.
Heh you should be even more ashamed

Check the links out again they are LDS links many of them of First hand accounts from first hand witnesses you are hilarious you did not even check the post you just went on with your own Blah Blah LOL ROFL.

I have read the BOM many times I have numerous copies and as I have posted here before I have some very only ones care to guess how old?

Your five points of what a Christian is are interesting, I let the Word of God define what a Christian is you know the Bible and I let the Apostles and the beliefs of the Apostles define what a Christian is but even then the LDS sect fails all five points you post let alone come close to Biblical Christianity.

Hindu's profess a belief in Jesus as do Muslims does that make them Christian, you might what to go get an education before you post. I say that in a loving way you clearly have not got a clue to that which you pretend to know about.

Truth Matters LDS are not Christian the Bible tells us so

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19949 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I've proven you a liar. Given you quotes from the LDS leaders, what they say is Mormon Doctrine, not what you want to pretend.
A liar? lolol.... you don't understand what they said...lol. Mormons teach we are all gods because why? Because our father is a GOD.
So A. when God the Father had a father, he was the first spirit to be created as Jesus was the first spirit to be created. God the Father was the perfect image of his father as Jesus Christ is to his God the Father.
So B. like it happened to God the Father, it happened to Jesus. After his spiritual creation, he proved to be perfect in all he did and said. He was a perfect being without fault. All the rest of us spirits are said to have our 'faults' or errors of thought, that we weren't perfect as Jesus was.
So C. though Jesus worked his way by progression to where he is now, so once did God the Father. But during that pre-existence time Jesus was still called "the god" of us because he was more perfect and more powerful because of his perfectness. They say he was also our "elder brother' because he was born as a spirit child of God the Father as we were.
Thus though he went through the stages of being a spirit, and then a spirit with flesh and bones and then a resurrected spirit with flesh and bones, he was always God to us because of his perfectness, power and position next to our Father.
That is Mormon 101. If you doubt it, I challenge you to ask at least two active Mormons you know in your family and at different times, ask them if Jesus was always God or if his 'Godship' had a beginning point and if yes, when his becoming 'God' started.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19950 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think being a total asshole helps make Mormonism right?
Exodus 20
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife
Now if you can't commit adultery, which is having sex with a person who is already married to someone else. And you shouldn't covet your neighbor's wife, you sure as F**k can't marry her you dumbass.
Got it now, or do you still want to playing the f**king idiot?
You stated the following... "It was clearly against the Ten Commandments for a man to marry a woman who was already married."
You now state that two commandments, one concerning adultery and one concerning not to covet actually were commandments that were really saying you can't marry more than one wife. You're off your fricking rocker.
You stuck your foot in your mouth and instead of pulling it out and rewording yourself, you shove it in deeper by using two commandments that have NOT A SINGLE THING TO DO WITH MARRING MORE THAN ONE WIFE...lol.
I'll say this again, there is no commandment not to marry more than one wife in the Christian ten commandments. And why don't you go ask Liam in the other thread. Go ask him if among the Christian's 10 commandments if one prohibits the marrying of extra wives. I dare you to do it :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19951 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You can be as retarded as you wish, I refuse to join you to support a lying, thieving, pervert, pig, and sicko. Maybe you need the company.
lolol....you're a real nut case. You'll chase rumours and second hand information like it's from God himself. But you won't use the brain God gave you to logically and rationally ask questions before you make a judgement call. You prove it's just easier to judge than it is for you to use rational and logic to ask questions. What in the *ell are you so scared of? Why are you so willing to deem rumours and hearsay as fact but you won't address actual evidence as having a meaning?
lol... and than you end such an intelligent reply with calling Smith a "..lying, thieving, pervert, pig, and sicko." like those words are going to hurt Smith or me?..lol...fricking whacko you are...all you prove (once again) is you're good at unintelligent replies where I challenge you to respond in an intelligent fashion.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19952 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
The following are verifiable and demonstrate J.S. was a polygamist and pedophile
WWW.FAMILYSEARCH.ORG (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City)
MORMON POLYGAMY: A HISTORY (Van Wagoner, Signature Books, Salt Lake City, 1989)*
MORMON ENIGMA: EMMA HALE SMITH (Newell & Avery, University of Illinois Press, Urbana and Chicago, 1994)*
IN SACRED LONELINESS: THE PLURAL WIVES OF JOSEPH SMITH (Compton, Signature Books, Salt Lake City, 1997)*
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City)
THE WIVES OF JOSEPH SMITH
Wife Date Age Husband*
Emma Hale Jan 1827 22
Fanny Alger 1833 16
Lucinda Morgan Harris 1838 37 George W. Harris
Louisa Beaman Apr 1841 26
Zina Huntington Jacobs Oct 1841 20 Henry Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell Dec 1841 31 Norman Buell
Agnes Coolbrith Jan 1842 33
Sylvia Sessions Lyon Feb 1842 23 Windsor Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner Feb 1842 23 Adam Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions Mar 1842 47 David Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde Apr 1842 27 Orson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee Jun 1842 50 Jabez Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland Jun 1842 53 John Cleveland
Delcena Johnson Jul 1842 37
Eliza R. Snow Jun 1842 38
Sarah Ann Whitney Jul 1842 17
Martha McBride Aug 1842 37
Ruth Vose Sayers Feb 1843 33 Edward Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth 1843 16
Emily Dow Partridge Mar 1843 19
Eliza Maria Partridge Mar 1843 22
Almera Johnson Apr 1843 30
Lucy Walker May 1843 17
Sarah Lawrence May 1843 17
Maria Lawrence May 1843 19
Helen Mar Kimball May 1843 14
Hanna Ells 1843 29
Elvira Cowles Holmes Jun 1843 29 Jonathan Holmes
Rhoda Richards Jun 1843 58
Desdemona Fullmer Jul 1843 32
Olive Frost 1843 27
Melissa Lott Sep 1843 19
Nancy M. Winchester 1843 14
Fanny Young Nov 1843 56
Truth Matters
Mormons are not Christians the Bible tells us so.
Smith married 30 + females in a three year period. Five of them could have been his mom so according to your idiocy he had mother issues to? Thirteen of them were near his own age so according to your idiocy we could say he had sister issues.
As I challenged another that likes to think as an idiot instead of with his intelligence, Show proof he had sex with these young girls. Actual evidence, not hearsay, not second hand information. Show a child born by them dead or alive.
You can even use all 30 wives he married in a 3 year period. Show factual evidence where he had sex with just one.
PS...the other idiot tried and failed. There is no factual evidence that Smith had sex with anyone but his own wife Emma. Did Smith have sex with one or more of those wives? We all would think so. Unfortunately there is no proof. All the living descendants claimed to be his by wives other than Emma, DNA proved each was nothing but a rumoured lie. Lies perpetuated for decades and decades as factual evidence. They were all lies. The wife claiming to have the living child lied. The relatives claiming to have known a person that was Smith's descendent from one of the wives liars. All the information written in books for a 100 years claiming to name living descendants of Smith's by the other wives, nothing but perpetuated lies.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19953 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
The OT clearly reveals that Polygamy is not God's will but you would once again have to have done some OT research to know that Truth.
Joseph Smith claimed to be prophet but you don't see Prophets of God in the OT ever ever endorsing Polygamy only denouncing it.
Are you bonkers? God gave David King Saul's wives when Saul died. Maybe you should research to know what the Bible actually teaches.
God allowed Sarah to Give Abraham her hand maid to wife to have a son by.
Moses had more than one wife. So did Solomon. A statement of information from wikipedia for you...
"Many of the Old Testament Prophets and Patriarchs had multiple wives, including Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, Esau, Gideon, Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Elkanah, Ashur, Abijah and Jehoiada. Some interpretations also suggest Moses had a second wife in Tharbis. Other polygamists identified in the Bible include Ahab, Ahasuerus, Ashur, Belshazzar, Benhadad, Caleb, Eliphaz, Ezra, Jehoiachin, Jehoram, Jerahmeel, Joash, Machir, Manasseh, Mered, Nahor, Simeon, and Zedekiah."
And you claim the OT prophets didn't endorse polygamy when they were polygamists themselves???? What, did they have 'extra' women to show to God's people that having more than one wife was bad and evil and showed having sex with them was called adultery and not to do it???? lolol....yeah right...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19954 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Smith married 30 + females in a three year period. Five of them could have been his mom so according to your idiocy he had mother issues to? Thirteen of them were near his own age so according to your idiocy we could say he had sister issues.
As I challenged another that likes to think as an idiot instead of with his intelligence, Show proof ...cut for space.
again no surprise you are no surprise once again you offer no footnoted articles or evidence that can be verified.
Unlike my Posts which did and do so once again the sources for all who would like to verify.

WWW.FAMILYSEARCH.ORG (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, Salt Lake City)
MORMON POLYGAMY: A HISTORY (Van Wagoner, Signature Books, Salt
Lake City, 1989)
MORMON ENIGMA: EMMA HALE SMITH (Newell & Avery, University of
Illinois Press, Urbana and Chicago, 1994)
IN SACRED LONELINESS: THE PLURAL WIVES OF JOSEPH SMITH
(Compton, Signature Books, Salt Lake City, 1997)
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, Salt Lake City)

REFERENCES
FS: www.familysearch.org
MP: Mormon Polygamy: A History
ME: Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith
ISL: In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith
DC: Doctrine and Covenants
LIST OF WIVES: FS, ancestral file number 9KGL-W2; ISL, pgs 4 – 8.
EMMA HALE: MEETING, ME pgs 1, 18; MARRIAGE, ME pgs 1, 20; PLATES, ME
pgs 20 – 21, 25; TWINS, ME pgs 39, 43; NEW YORK, ME pgs 45 – 46, 68;
MISSOURI, ME pg 76; MISSISSIPPI RIVER, ME pg 79; REVELATION, DC section
132; SURRENDER, ME pg 158; EXPOSITOR, ME pgs 181, 191; MOURNING, ME pg
197.
FANNY ALGER: MARRIAGE, MP pg 5, ISL pgs 25 – 26, 34, ME pg 66; EMMA, ISL
pgs 34 – 35; RUMORS, MP pgs 6, 10, 85, ME pg 66, ISL pgs 28, 36; INDIANA, ISL
pgs 37, 39, 41.
LUCINDA MORGAN HARRIS: CONVERSION, ISL pg 48; MISSOURI, ISL pg 49,
ME pg 70; MARRIAGE, ISL pg 49; ILLINOIS, ISL pg 50; EXPOSITOR, ISL pg 51,
MOURNING, ME pg 197, ISL pg 43; CIVIL WAR, ISL pg 54.
LOUISA BEAMAN: MEETING, ISL pgs 57 – 58; KIRTLAND/NAUVOO, ISL pgs 58
– 59; THE PRINCIPLE, ISL pg 59, ME pg 95; CEREMONY, MP pgs 6, 23, ME pg 95,
ISL pgs 59 – 60; DEATH, ISL pg 69; PAROWAN, ISL pg 55, MP pg 27.
ZINA HUNTINGTON JACOBS: FIRST PROPOSAL, ISL pgs 77 – 79, MP pg 44;
SECOND PROPOSAL, ISL pgs 80 – 81; MARRIAGE, ISL pgs 81 – 82; HENRY, ISL
pgs 81 – 82; BRIGHAM, ISL pgs 84, 88, 90 – 91, MP pgs 44 – 45.
PRESENDIA HUNTINGTON BUELL: CONVERSION, ISL pgs 117 – 118;
JOSEPH, ISL pgs 122 – 124, MP pg 44; HEBER, ISL pgs 124 – 126; NORMON, ISL pg
129;; COMMEMORATION, ISL pgs 136 – 137.
AGNES COOLBRITH SMITH: KIRTLAND/NAUVOO, ISL pgs 146 – 153;
JOSEPH, ISL pgs 153 – 154; RUMORS, ISL pgs 154 – 155, MP pgs 20 – 21; PICKETT,
ISL pgs 157 – 159; JOSEPH F. SMITH, ISL pgs 166 – 167.
SYLVIA SESSIONS LYON: WINDSOR, ISL pg 177; NAUVOO, ISL pg 178;
JOSEPH, ISL pg 179, MP pgs 45, 47; VISITS, ISL pgs 181, 183; JOSEPHINE, ISL pg
183, MP pg 44.
MARY ROLLINS LIGHTNER: PREPARED, ISL pg 207, ME pg 65; ZIONS
CAMP/ADAM, ISL pgs 210, 211, ME pgs 100 – 101; PROPOSAL, ISL pgs 211 – 212,
MP pg 43, ME pgs 100 – 101; MARRIAGE, ISL pgs 212 – 213, ME pgs 100 – 101;
ARRANGMENT, ISL pg 213, MP pg 43, REMINISCE, ISL pg 226.
cont..
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19955 Feb 10, 2013
PATTY BARTLETT SESSIONS: FATHER, ISL pg 172; DAVID, ISL pg 173;
MIDWIFE, ISL pg 171; CONVERSION, ISL pg 175 – 176; JOSEPH, ISL pg 179;
LONESOME, ISL pg 180; DUTIES, ISL pg 179.
MARINDA JOHNSON HYDE: JOHNSON HOME, ISL pg 230; ORSON, ISL pg 232;
JERUSALEM, ISL pg 235; NEW HOME, ISL pgs 235-236; JOSEPH, MP pg 44, ISL
pgs 238, 240 – 241; MID-LIFE, ISL pgs 244, 249; GRANDMOTHER, ISL pg 251.
ELIZABETH DAVIS DURFEE: JABEZ, ISL pg 259; BLESSING, ME pg 110, ISL pg
261; MOTHER IN ISRAEL, ME pgs 109, 137 – 138, MP pg 52, ISL pgs 260 - 262, 406
– 407; CORNELIUS, ISL pgs 264 – 265.
SARAH KINGSLEY CLEVELAND: JOHN, ISL pgs 275 – 276; MISSOURI, ME pg
80, ISL pg 276; NAUVOO, ME pgs 107 – 110, 115, 119, ISL pgs 277, 279;
LEAVING/RETURNING, ME pg 237, ISL pgs 282 – 283.
DELCENA JOHNSON SHERMAN: CONVERSION, ISL pgs 292 – 294;
MISSOURI, ISL pgs 294 – 295; JOSEPH, ISL pgs 293 – 296; ALMON, ISL pgs 298 –
300; UTAH, ISL pg 300.
ELIZA R. SNOW: YOUTH, ISL pgs 308 – 309; KIRTLAND, ISL pg 309; JOSEPH,
ISL pgs 310 – 313, ME pgs 119 – 120, MP pg 31; SMITH HOME, ISL pgs 313 – 314,
ME pgs 122, 133; POEM, ME pg 120; REMOVED, ISL pgs 314 – 316, ME pgs 134 –
137, MP pg 52; GRIEF, ISL pgs 306, 316.
SARAH ANN WHITNEY: REVELATION, ISL pgs 347 – 348; CEREMONY, ISL pg
348; HORACE, ISL pg 349; HIDING, ME pg 125, ISL pgs 349 – 350; KINGSBURY,
ISL pg 351, MP pg 48; HEBER, ISL pg 352.
MARTHA MCBRIDE KNIGHT: VINSON, ISL pgs 365 – 366; NAUVOO, pgs 369 –
370; JOSEPH, ISL pgs 371, 377; UTAH, ISL pgs 364, 371, 380.
RUTH VOSE SAYERS: BOSTON, ISL pg 381; CONVERSION, ISL pg 382;
EDWARD, ISL pgs 382 – 383; JOSEPH, ISL pgs 383 – 384; OBITUARY, ISL pg 386.
FLORA ANN WOODWORTH: MARRIAGE, ISL pgs 389 – 391; EMMA, ME pg
159, ISL pg 388; ORANGE, ISL pg 390; CARLOS, ISL pgs 391 – 392, 394;
KANESVILLE, ISL pg 394.
EMILY DOW PARTRIDGE/ELIZA MARIA PARTRIDGE: SMITH HOME, ISL
pgs 405 – 406, ME pg 89; INTRODUCTION, ISL pg 406, ME pgs 137 – 138, MP pg 52;
DURFEE, ISL pg 407, ME pg 138; INTERVIEW, ISL pgs 407 – 408, ME pgs 138 – 139,
MP pg 52; MARRIAGE, ME pgs 138, 144, ISL pg 298; ELIZA, ME pg 139, MP pg 36,
ISL pgs 408 – 409, 732; REPEAT CEREMONY, ME pgs 140, 143, ISL pg 409, MP pg
52; ALL ENDED, ISL pgs 409 – 411, ME pgs 143, 169, MP pgs 53 – 54; EMMA, ME
pg 145.
ALMERA JOHNSON: GATHERING, ISL pg 295; BENNIE, ISL pgs 295 – 296, ME
pgs 145 – 146; PARABLE, ISL pg 296; STOOD BEFORE HER, ISL pgs 296 – 297;
HYRUM, ISL pg 297; CEREMONY, ISL pgs 297 – 298; MACEDONIA, ISL pg 298,
ME pg 146; REUBEN, ISL pgs 300 – 304.

cont...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19956 Feb 10, 2013
LUCY WALKER: PROPHETS HOME, ME pg 89, ISL pg 461 – 462; PROPOSAL,
ISL pg 463; BITTER CUP, ISL pg 464; COMMAND, ISL pg 464; MARRIAGE, ME pg
139, MP pg 59, ISL pg 465; HEBER, ISL 466 – 467; CONSENT, Journal of Discourses
vol 7 pg 289, ISL pg 457.
SARAH LAWRENCE/MARIA LAWRENCE: JOSEPH’S HOME, ISL pgs 474 –
475; JOSEPH’S CHARACTER, MP pg 33, 36, ISL pg 476; MARRIAGE, ISL pg 475,
479, ME pg 144; WILLIAM LAW, MP pg 66, ISL pg 476; EXPOSITOR, ISL pg 477,
MP pgs 68 – 69.
HELEN MAR KIMBALL: FATHER/DAUGHTER TALK, ISL pgs 497 – 498; LAID
UPON THE ALTER, ISL pgs 498 – 499; ME pg 146; JOSEPH, ISL pg 499, ME pg 146,
MP pg 53; FETTERED DOWN, ISL pg 502, ME pg 166; BE OBEDIENT, ISL pg 503;
PUNISHMENT/VICTORY, ISL pg 510; POEM, ISL pgs 499 – 501.
HANNA ELLS: INTRO, ISL pg 535; MILLINERY, ISL pg 535; MARRIAGE, ISL pgs
537 – 538; TEMPLE, ISL pgs 538 – 539; DEATH, ISL pg 542.
ELVIRA COWLES HOLMES: INTRO, ISL pg 545; JOSEPH’S HOME, ISL pg 546 –
547; POEM, ISL pg 547; JONATHAN, ISL pgs 548, 556; AUSTIN, ISL pgs 549 – 551,
MP pgs 64, 68;
RHODA RICHARDS: RARE BEAUTY, ISL pgs 559 – 560; EBENEZER, ISL pgs
561 – 562; MORMONISM ISL pg 566; JOSEPH, ISL pgs 568 – 569; HAPPY NEW
YEAR, ISL pg 575.
DESDEMONA FULLMER: STOPT, ISL pg 577; MIRTH, ISL pg 579;
PERSECUTIONS, ISL pg 580; JOSEPH HOME, ISL pg 580; DREAM, ME pg 165, ISL
pgs 581 – 582; BIOGRAPHY, ISL pgs 584 – 585.
OLIVE FROST: CONVERSION, ISL pg 588; MISSIONARY, ISL pg 589; JOSEPH,
ISL pgs 589 – 590; TENDER HEART, ISL pg 591; GRIEF, ISL pg 591; DEATH, ISL
pg 592.
MELISSA LOTT: JOSEPH’S HOME, ISL pg 597; PREPARED, ISL pg 597;
MARRIAGE, ISL pgs 348, 597 – 598; PARENTS, ISL pg 598; RELATIONSHIP, ISL
pg 598.
NANCY WINCHESTER: PENNSYLVANIA, ISL pg 605; KIRTLAND, ISL pg 605;
NAUVOO, ISL pg 606; MARRIAGE, ISL pg 606; HEBER, ISL pgs 604, 606; UTAH,
ISL pg 607 – 608.
FANNY YOUNG: FAMILY, ISL pgs 609, 611; TRUE SAINT, ISL pg 613;
ROSWELL, ISL pgs 613 – 615; JOSEPH, Journal of Discourses vol 16 pgs 166 – 167,
ISL pgs 615 – 617

The whole anchelotta is at http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/PDFBooklet/...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19957 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you bonkers? God gave David King Saul's wives when Saul died. Maybe you should research to know what the Bible actually teaches.
God allowed Sarah to Give Abraham her hand maid to wife to have a son by.
Moses had more than one wife. So did Solomon. A statement of information from wikipedia for you...
"Many of the Old Testament Prophets and Patriarchs had multiple wives, including Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, Esau, Gideon, Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Elkanah, Ashur, Abijah and Jehoiada. Some interpretations also suggest Moses had a second wife in Tharbis. Other polygamists identified in the Bible include Ahab, Ahasuerus, Ashur, Belshazzar, Benhadad, Caleb, Eliphaz, Ezra, Jehoiachin, Jehoram, Jerahmeel, Joash, Machir, Manasseh, Mered, Nahor, Simeon, and Zedekiah."
And you claim the OT prophets didn't endorse polygamy when they were polygamists themselves???? What, did they have 'extra' women to show to God's people that having more than one wife was bad and evil and showed having sex with them was called adultery and not to do it???? lolol....yeah right...
Wow way to take me out of context and build another straw man

I said endorse polygamy

So again what prophet claimed it was God's will to practice Polygamy.

You can go thru the OT and find Many prophets of God Sinning.

David killed his best friend to be a Polygamist and marry Bathsheba, by your logic thats ok too. you truly are a nutter.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19958 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
For more verifible evidence of J.S. wives some who were still legally married to other men (making J.S. and adultry to boot) goto.
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/PDFBooklet/...
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
2. What do Latter-day Saint churches believe and teach about polygamy today?
3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints praises the "balanced analysis" in the book: "In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith".
4. Did Joseph Smith have children by his plural wives? DNA research may be providing answers.
5. Why Did Joseph Smith Practice Polygamy? Apostle John A. Widtsoe discusses some common misconceptions.
6. Who created this website, and why? Excerpts from readers emails and responses.
7. Was it common in the 1800's for teenage girls to marry? U.S. Census Data and social research explain marriage patterns of the last 200 years
No closest needed No Surprise.
So boo Surprise
Truth Matters
First, Smith never preformed a "legal" marriage to any woman. Therefore his 'marriages' to these women were about as legal as you marrying yourself to your favourite room.
Smith was only legally married to one woman. That is why he was never arrested for bigamy. If you read the history of Smith during his polygamous years, you will note he was taken to courts for almost any charge he could be charged with except bigamy. There was no proof he was married to any one but Emma. And not a single wife had a child to be used to prove adultery and proof bigamy took place.
I don't know about you, but I like evidence. Did Smith commit bigamy by the act of intercourse which produced one or more children to prove beyond doubt he was a bigamist? No. Thirty plus women in three years and not a single one can be proved to have had even an abortion or a still born infant. Yet Smith and Emma kept popping out the kids with no problem. Yet in a three year period with having sex with over thirty women for probably hundreds of times and he doesn't score a single solitary kid.
Yet his elders he gave permission to have multiple wives, they were having still born deaths and living children while Smith was alive.
I guess by your logic, we could just lamely say Smith choose the wrong 30+ women because he sure the heck wasn't infertile.
Oh, and then get this one. This is a real gasser! So Smith dies and most all his wives remarry legally and illegally and suddenly miracles of miracles, with their new husband they start popping out kids left and right! Three years with Smith and 30 women remain childless. After being married a year to their new husband and they just start popping out the kids.
Yeah, only an idiot would believe that just maybe Smith married those wives for something else besides sex :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19959 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
again no surprise you are no surprise once again you offer no footnoted articles or evidence that can be verified.
Unlike my Posts which did and do so once again the sources for all who would like to verify.
I wasn't disputing that Smith did 'his own' marriages to over 30 women in three years. I stated not a single one was a marriage that was legally recognized by any state in the union. Understand?
We can claim Smith married other men's wives all we want. But legally he never did it. If he had legally married another woman in a court house he would have been guilty of bigamy. Understand?
We can say he married a thousand women. But unless it was done by the power and the authority of what ever state they were in, the marriage was a 'fake', a 'fraud','a pretend event','a thing of wishful thinking'. Understand?
Smith was legally married to one woman and pretended to be married to thirty plus other women. Get the difference? Talking like Smith was actually married to those thirty plus women as if they were legal marriages, I don't care who states it, is a stupid thing to say in my opinion.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19960 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow way to take me out of context and build another straw man
I said endorse polygamy
So again what prophet claimed it was God's will to practice Polygamy.
You can go thru the OT and find Many prophets of God Sinning.
David killed his best friend to be a Polygamist and marry Bathsheba, by your logic thats ok too. you truly are a nutter.
You should really read both sides of the story before you jump on one version and claim it's the truth. Just saying.
By the way, you don't remember what you said so I'll paste your own words :)
"With Regards to the old Testament and Polygamy the OT is quite Clear it was not God's will nor does he command anyone in the OT to have more than one wife in Fact the Word of God clearly states that it was King David's Polygamy that lead to his demise. The OT clearly reveals that Polygamy is not God's will but you would once again have to have done some OT research to know that Truth."
So I didn't take you way out of context. You said it wasn't God's for any one in the OT to have more than one wife. But in fact it states God gave David King Saul's wives after his death. Most would say that's God endorsing polygamy, a man having more than one wife. And David had married a few women prior to Bathsheba. And in that time period before Bathsheba while marrying those women, David was called a man of God and a righteous man. The OT disagrees with your opinion and that's not a straw man argument.
Also, these prophets and leaders of God all had polygamous marriages: Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, Esau, Gideon, Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Elkanah, Ashur, Abijah and Jehoiada. Is it your opinion God was allowing these men to be both prophets and leaders while sinning by having more than one wife? Seems a strange thing to do by God according to your logic to allow a man to have such a lofty position and be a wilful sinner at the same time.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#19961 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
You are a grade A idiot... you sound like at least one of the other regulars here.

You have great copy paste skills... you should be proud.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#19962 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The "other" sheep were the gentiles.
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
-Whom was the Bible testifies of in John and Isaiah, if not about those regarding The Book of Mormon?

-THE GOSPEL is doing just as what was prophesied of bring the other sheep into one fold, and one shepherd. The Church of Jesus Christ is the fastest growing church in the world... and the church is spreading to all over the earth.

John 10:15-16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

-YOU know the facts about the learned man not being able to read the Book of Mormon before it was translated. YOU know he said I cannot read it. Yet, Joseph Smith a young man with minimal education and wealth was able to... and he said I am not learned.

Isaiah 29:11-14

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

-JS endured many trials and hardships because he did as he was instructed by the Lord. It does not matter if you believe if or not... God said it was so, and it is so.

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