Teen could face $169 fine for startin...

Teen could face $169 fine for starting $3.3M blaze

There are 30 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 7, 2008, titled Teen could face $169 fine for starting $3.3M blaze. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A Madison-area teenager could face a small fine for causing an apartment fire that caused $3.3 million in damages.

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Cottage Grove, MN

#1 Jul 7, 2008
What about charging him with arson? Then he can be assessed a fine and restitution?
Chris

Maineville, OH

#2 Jul 7, 2008
Arson? Wouldn't that mean the kid did it intentionally? I'm all for making this kid sweat, and he better personally and humbly apologize to all his neighbors. And maybe he can help them by doing odd jobs for them for a few years for free to show that he really means it. But charging him with arson sounds a little silly considering it was an accident. Accidents happen, I'm sure his responsible neighbors all had renters insurance.

By the way....I'm confused, what is a storage shed doing on the second floor? Wouldn't that be a storage unit, or closet, or room? I thought a shed was a separate building.
Booker

United States

#3 Jul 7, 2008
This was a kid, This Kid I am sure did not know the danger of putting the grill away in a storage shed or unit or room, or was even thinking that this would happen. Thank God that noone was injured. All stuff can sooner or later be replaced.
terry

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Jul 7, 2008
boy that will teach him a lesson...
his parents will probably sue the charcoal maker for not having enough warnings on the bag..

Since: Feb 08

Sandstone MN

#6 Jul 7, 2008
It is not the job of the penal system to recover damages. It is there to PUNISH. The kid did something stupid, but not malicious. The fine is correct. Now the people who suffered damages will be able to attempt to recover them now that the kid was found culpable.
Jeebs

Clayton, MI

#7 Jul 7, 2008
wow. this is a pretty harsh penalty.

“Man can see shades of gray!”

Since: May 08

St. Cloud

#8 Jul 7, 2008
He should have to pay the insurance deductible if you ask me.
icepick

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Jul 7, 2008
fine?!?! throw him in reform school till hes 21 !!!!!
Cindy Stainker

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jul 7, 2008
Where were this kid's parents? They should be held just as responsible as their kid. It's a miracle no one was hurt.

“Man can see shades of gray!”

Since: May 08

St. Cloud

#11 Jul 7, 2008
Oh, I'd wager that there will be a lawsuit naming the parents. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
MJR

Maple Grove, MN

#12 Jul 7, 2008
It was a mistake by a 14 year old kid that caused tremendous damage. It wasn't malicious, and it wasn't intentional. icepick wants to throw him in reform school until he is 21, I would think a fire safety camp and community service talking to kids at schools about the danger of fires would be more appropriate. Think how many mistakes you have made in your life where you got lucky that they did not lead to such massive damage, but COULD have. I think only the perfect people should throw stones. All the perfect people please let us know how we should torture this kid for his imperfections.
Gritty

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Jul 7, 2008
Disgruntled Outstater wrote:
It is not the job of the penal system to recover damages. It is there to PUNISH. The kid did something stupid, but not malicious. The fine is correct. Now the people who suffered damages will be able to attempt to recover them now that the kid was found culpable.
Great, the kid causes this damage and at least 15 families will have to fork over the deductible,if they had insurance. What if they didn't have insurance? Why penalize those that did nothing wrong? Here's the deal, the way people learn is from their mistakes. Let the kid pay everyone's deductible and for those that did not have insurance work out some way to help them survive. While I agree this is only a 14 yr old, we should also realize that there are states out there they provide abortions, condoms, etc to "these kids" apparently believing they are responsible. So let's put that belief to work, let them get the full treatment.
Mom in LC

Palo Alto, CA

#14 Jul 7, 2008
Gritty wrote:
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Great, the kid causes this damage and at least 15 families will have to fork over the deductible,if they had insurance. What if they didn't have insurance? Why penalize those that did nothing wrong? Here's the deal, the way people learn is from their mistakes. Let the kid pay everyone's deductible and for those that did not have insurance work out some way to help them survive. While I agree this is only a 14 yr old, we should also realize that there are states out there they provide abortions, condoms, etc to "these kids" apparently believing they are responsible. So let's put that belief to work, let them get the full treatment.
I would counter that the condoms and abortions are provided because kids are NOT believed to be responsible...
JTY

Lincoln, NE

#15 Jul 7, 2008
I used to live in an apartment and even though it was against code to have a grill on the balcony, everyone did it. There was about 200 units and I would say about 50% of them had grill (and not the small gas ones that are allowed either). I bet if you looked at the other people in his apartment that he was not the only one breaking the fire code on that.
MEF

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Jul 7, 2008
Gritty wrote:
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Great, the kid causes this damage and at least 15 families will have to fork over the deductible,if they had insurance. What if they didn't have insurance? Why penalize those that did nothing wrong? Here's the deal, the way people learn is from their mistakes. Let the kid pay everyone's deductible and for those that did not have insurance work out some way to help them survive. While I agree this is only a 14 yr old, we should also realize that there are states out there they provide abortions, condoms, etc to "these kids" apparently believing they are responsible. So let's put that belief to work, let them get the full treatment.
If people learn from their mistakes, as you say, then those who were foolish enough to forgo insurance should pay for their own loss. It's a good way for them to learn from their mistake!
His Liability

Waunakee, WI

#17 Jul 7, 2008
Now the parents will be responsible for the damages and not the insurance company. Damages that result from a violation of the law are the violators responsibility.
terry

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Jul 7, 2008
JTY wrote:
I used to live in an apartment and even though it was against code to have a grill on the balcony, everyone did it. There was about 200 units and I would say about 50% of them had grill (and not the small gas ones that are allowed either). I bet if you looked at the other people in his apartment that he was not the only one breaking the fire code on that.
i think using condoms is a sign of responsibility, yeah in a perfect world teens wouldnt be having sex but also your republican congressman wouldnt be solicitaing gay men in an airport bathroom either, and then refuse to take responsibility
JTY

Lincoln, NE

#19 Jul 7, 2008
terry wrote:
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i think using condoms is a sign of responsibility, yeah in a perfect world teens wouldnt be having sex but also your republican congressman wouldnt be solicitaing gay men in an airport bathroom either, and then refuse to take responsibility
What the heck are you talking about?
Jim

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Jul 7, 2008
MJR wrote:
It was a mistake by a 14 year old kid that caused tremendous damage. It wasn't malicious, and it wasn't intentional. icepick wants to throw him in reform school until he is 21, I would think a fire safety camp and community service talking to kids at schools about the danger of fires would be more appropriate. Think how many mistakes you have made in your life where you got lucky that they did not lead to such massive damage, but COULD have. I think only the perfect people should throw stones. All the perfect people please let us know how we should torture this kid for his imperfections.
Well put.
ccc

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Jul 7, 2008
Booker wrote:
This was a kid, This Kid I am sure did not know the danger of putting the grill away in a storage shed or unit or room, or was even thinking that this would happen. Thank God that noone was injured. All stuff can sooner or later be replaced.
AGREE --- also, I doubt that he went to the store and bought the charcoal himself....he most likely saw an adult 'breaking the rules' first. I'm sure he's going to feel very guilty for a very long time

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