Church forgoes free parking rather than close homeless shelter

A downtown church has lost its access to free parking because the businessman who owns the parking ramp doesn't want the church sheltering the homeless. Full Story
Sommery

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Mar 12, 2008
I can not believe more people have not already commented on this. This is completely outrageous. It's just amazing to me that Mr. Mohs would stand up to say that the homeless make "bad neighbors". Hello? Idiot, how many homeless people do you think choose homelessness, or enjoy it?

Many are mentally ill, and have no support systems who can help them. Others are drug addicts, and I admit, I have less sympathy for them. But - some are actually regular, working people who can't afford stable housing on the wages that they are earning. I was one of those people, and I ended up living in a hotel for almost a year, along with my 2 young daughters. It's not that I could not afford rent. I just couldn't afford first and last month's rent along with a security deposit and application fee to initially move in. And at the time, my rate of pay was about double minimum wage.

Generalizing "homeless people" is as bad as generalizing any other group. Would more people be outraged if Mr. Mohs had stated that "Black people make bad neighbors."? I'm thinking so.

“Ive Never been lost.”

Since: Feb 08

Gtown

#2 Mar 12, 2008
I’m all for shelters and aid..
I worked and still do volunteer at shelters..
And you just put your self in a homeless person category..
You see you were not “homeless” per say. You were staying in a hotel
Which at that time was your home..? A lot of people live in hotel rooms..
You said do you think people want to be homeless?
Well for more than 75% of the people.. The way they act …“YES”
With the aid you can get, and shelters out there and help in all different Towns.. If you’re homeless (other than mental illness) then you damn well Put yourself there…
By homeless I mean living on the street.. I don’t call the people staying in
A shelter homeless…
Or as you were able to do stay in a hotel..
I’m talking about people living/ sleeping on the street. And then going to the churches/shelter etc.. for food.
People have given me the excuse they were there because they can’t get aid with out a permanent Address..“”BULL” yes you can..
They cant find any work..“BULL” you just are not looking.. Even if you have to go to a temp agency and work a different place every day… It’s a income.
If more people put there hand out to help the elderly, young, ill, brother sister etc..
And put there noses down and started working harder.. This would not be an issue..
Have you ever been to a church when they open it to the “Homeless”.?
Different question.. Have you ever been out side church “after” they have closed it?
Sommery

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Mar 13, 2008
The church is an overflow shelter. Meaning it is used to house the homeless when the regular shelters are full. By your definition, the people at the church are not homeless, as they are staying in a shelter. So there is no issue, right?

I do agree that some of the people utilizing the shelters are not trying hard enough to get out of their situation. However, in Minnesota (I don't know about Massachusetts) in order to get MFIP (Minnesota's TANF) you must have a permanent address. A hotel is not a permanent address.

Check out www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/homeless... for some actual statistics on homeless people, not just opinions.

“Ive Never been lost.”

Since: Feb 08

Gtown

#4 Mar 14, 2008
Sommery wrote:
The church is an overflow shelter. Meaning it is used to house the homeless when the regular shelters are full. By your definition, the people at the church are not homeless, as they are staying in a shelter. So there is no issue, right?
I do agree that some of the people utilizing the shelters are not trying hard enough to get out of their situation. However, in Minnesota (I don't know about Massachusetts) in order to get MFIP (Minnesota's TANF) you must have a permanent address. A hotel is not a permanent address.
Check out www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/homeless... for some actual statistics on homeless people, not just opinions.
They live at the shelter? day/night...?
They shelters i worked at, proved care and a place to sleep each night. Day time help to look for work, support and day care for woman and men if they had a child.
Im talking about the ones that just show up to eat
and a place to sleep when its cold out...
Im not trying to down play any one that is homeless. It must be hard..(i cant say is because ive never been homeless).
However i dont understand, grown men, nothing wrong with them. Being homeless.
Even grown woman...
Im not heartless, i exstend my hand as much i can.
I just dont understand it.. And i can see why it bothers some people that work their butts off (or even ones that dont). That they work keep a roof over their heads and feed their family.
Sommery

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Mar 14, 2008
Maraty wrote:
<quoted text>

However i dont understand, grown men, nothing wrong with them. Being homeless.
Even grown woman...
Im not heartless, i exstend my hand as much i can.
I just dont understand it.. And i can see why it bothers some people that work their butts off (or even ones that dont). That they work keep a roof over their heads and feed their family.
As a grown woman, who worked her butt of to get out of the hotel and into an apartment, I can agree with that. If I had been layed off from my job (as I was a year after I got my apartment) I would have been one of those people on the street.

My whole point is that you can't judge EVERY homeless person, by some. That the comment "Homeless people make bad neighbors." was pretty stupid.
Brother Wilbur

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Mar 14, 2008
I have known many homeless people over the years. Very few were ever a problem. Maybe two or three out of 1,000's. Once outside of a center near downtown St Paul one homeless man was giving some out of towners directions to Children's Hospital. As far as I know they were correct directions, the askers offered him a dollar for his help. He said, "Sounds like you are going to see a child, give it to the child please for me. My name is Joe. " Nobody can top that.
Peter

Brockton, MA

#8 Aug 22, 2008
Sommery wrote:
The church is an overflow shelter. Meaning it is used to house the homeless when the regular shelters are full. By your definition, the people at the church are not homeless, as they are staying in a shelter. So there is no issue, right?
I do agree that some of the people utilizing the shelters are not trying hard enough to get out of their situation. However, in Minnesota (I don't know about Massachusetts) in order to get MFIP (Minnesota's TANF) you must have a permanent address. A hotel is not a permanent address.
Check out www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/homeless... for some actual statistics on homeless people, not just opinions.
First off, I will tell you for a "FACT" that most homeless shelters in the U.S. ARE CORRUPT. There MANY things that the people who run these shelters are doing that are corrupt to get money out of the government "USING" the homeless "INDIVIDUEL" to get money per person!!!! These people are a BIG part of why some of the homeless people find themselves literally on the streets. They will have NOTHING wrong and are being booted out for excuses that staff has fabricated, to make room for others to come in and bring in MORE money for the people who run it and for the state. Bottom line..."GREED". I have personally seen it and there is "NO ONE" that can tell me otherwise. There ARE "SOME" individuels who choose to be in the situations they are in. Most people I have come to know that are homeless are ACTUALLY trying hard to get themselves on the their feet get VERY TICKED OFF because the management is doing very little if anything to help them get on their feet, in fact, make stupid rules that make NO SENSE that do nothing but HINDER a person from making progress. While I DO AGREE that there needs to be rules to run a shelter, the rules,#1- need to make sense to the individuel and if they don't understand it should be able to inquire about a rule "WITHOUT FEAR OF EVICTION" for asking respectfully why!!! There are so many things about certain homeless shelters that I can tell you that you would be OVERWHELMED!!!! Before judging "ANY" homeless person, why don't you inquire of WHY they are homeless and what is being done to get on their feet and who is "SUPPOSEDLY" helping them!!! Thank you.
Peter

Brockton, MA

#9 Aug 22, 2008
Sommery wrote:
<quoted text>
As a grown woman, who worked her butt of to get out of the hotel and into an apartment, I can agree with that. If I had been layed off from my job (as I was a year after I got my apartment) I would have been one of those people on the street.
My whole point is that you can't judge EVERY homeless person, by some. That the comment "Homeless people make bad neighbors." was pretty stupid.
There are MANY reasons why men OR women who have NOTHING wrong with them become homeless. ONE of those reasons are that there MANY employers who are corrupt. For some reason many employers love to play "STUPID LITTLE BABY GAMES"!!! Mostly with various circumstances to will affect your pay. If you are a hard worker and your willing to put in what it takes without kissing butt, you are reliable, then you deserve decent pay and the employer should take care of you as a GOOD employee, right? BUT, instead the empoyer decides to SCREW you and mess with your hours or mess with something that ultimately affects your paycheck. I have been a victim of that COUNTLESS times and I AM SICK OF IT!!! I have literally sued emplyers that do that to me. I wish to make a statement to ANY employer that is like that, "I WILL SUE" if I get screwed!!! Don't "UNDERESTIMATE" the intelligence of some of the homeless people out there, they ARE to be respected!!!(MOST of them anyway!) Peter
Jenna

Montgomery, AL

#10 Aug 22, 2008
Random capitalization IS annoying AND makes most people not READ your POST.
You may have a valid point to make, but it gets lost amidst all the electronic YELLING. Just my two cents worth. Jenna

Since: Sep 08

Edgerton, WI

#11 Oct 13, 2008
In order to help all poor people the greatest thing we could do is to eliminate the corporate income tax. The corporate income tax takes 10% to 20% of the puchasing power we get from the income we earn. We all pay more for everything because of the corporate income tax and we would all be better off if we paid directly for our government. By paying directly through the income tax on individuals we can have a fair system that will not hurt the poor or the rich.

“m”

Since: Sep 08

here

#12 Oct 13, 2008
church should just say they are having services for the homeless
problem solved.
Tony

Green Bay, WI

#13 Oct 16, 2008
Hey Peter, I am also one of those who is hard working, and at 70 hrs/wk at one job, I had 2 other jobs, and then my employer decided "that I was working too much" and told me: "I'll fire you instantly if I ever find out you have a 2nd job." I then was horribly injured on purpose by my employer, with spinal injuries and now have a permanent disability. The employer tried to cover up dropping a 400 pound refrigerator onto my body, and I now have a medical malpractice claim against a Phys. Asst. but have been homeless on and off ever since this happened, and I lost my brand new car, was sued by creditors, was evicted and was even then told my employer was also telling homeless shelter staff that I was lying about my injuries, etc. because they told State of WI agencies that I was "paranoid schizophrenic" which is not true. So to the idiot out there who thinks people CHOOSE to be homeless, fuck you (FREEDOM OF SPEECH) and I only hope that you someday can't feel your own limbs, like me, after I was willing to work at a minimum wage job at a pizza place, because I was also force-fed all that crap about 'not being above taking work, as long as it was something' and then was proven wrong. NO. Not all work is worth it, and if you ask me: if an employer can't find a way to pay their workers at least $15 per hour, then they aren't even going to make a profit that is worth it to go into business to begin with. The employer should think about that before they decide to go into business, before they ruin people's lives by making them piss poor. What scum. Tony-Green Bay WI
Peter wrote:
<quoted text> There are MANY reasons why men OR women who have NOTHING wrong with them become homeless. ONE of those reasons are that there MANY employers who are corrupt. For some reason many employers love to play "STUPID LITTLE BABY GAMES"!!! Mostly with various circumstances to will affect your pay. If you are a hard worker and your willing to put in what it takes without kissing butt, you are reliable, then you deserve decent pay and the employer should take care of you as a GOOD employee, right? BUT, instead the empoyer decides to SCREW you and mess with your hours or mess with something that ultimately affects your paycheck. I have been a victim of that COUNTLESS times and I AM SICK OF IT!!! I have literally sued emplyers that do that to me. I wish to make a statement to ANY employer that is like that, "I WILL SUE" if I get screwed!!! Don't "UNDERESTIMATE" the intelligence of some of the homeless people out there, they ARE to be respected!!!(MOST of them anyway!) Peter
bob

Whitewater, WI

#14 Nov 3, 2008
im a transferring university college student who's homeless right now with a 3.0 G.P.A. so am I a "bad person."
I have integrity and skills, but today i'm glad it is warm outside

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