In Madison, cutbacks - and rage

MADISON, Wis. - As four game wardens awkwardly stood guard, protesters, scores deep, crushed into a corridor leading to the governor's office Wednesday, their screams echoing through the Capitol: "Come out, come out, wherever you are!" Behind closed doors, Scott Walker, the Republican who has been governor for about six weeks, calmly described his ... Full Story

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Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#1013 Feb 21, 2011
Moribund Liberal Media wrote:
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http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-m...
"...average MPS teacher salary is $56,500, with an average benefits package of $43,505, for total average compensation of $100,005 per teacher."
Wow. Does Dayton know this? I bet not or he would be setting up a special catagory for taxing teachers paychecks.

“I blog about Buddhist news.”

Since: Apr 08

USA

#1014 Feb 21, 2011
Eric L wrote:
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Had you been born Cambodian, the Khmer Rouge would have loved you. They thought similarly about the educated- just look at Cambodia after they held power for a few years (not exactly progress there).
Kudos for the Khmer Rouge reference!!
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1015 Feb 21, 2011
Eric L wrote:
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Here is a symposium (not Plato's -I doubt that you got that joke anyway) on Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" done by real scholars who know what they are talking about. I am a bit tired today and have other things to do than correct all the obvious errors in definitions that you gave regarding what fascism is, but you are welcome to argue with experts on that subject for awhile (i.e. Jonah Goldberg is NOT an expert on fascism/Nazis):
http://hnn.us/articles/122469.html
Never read liberal fascism but will get to it one of these days. I take the time to teach you about Nazis and your response is "I'm too tired to respond" (even though you've had no problem sitting here all day and duking it out with others. once again, you're RUNNING FROM THE SUBJECT AT HAND, which is fine because it's 1. obvious and 2. makes my job easier.) Nice try on throwing out a random book and claiming the errors. Go ahead, point out my errors. You can't and won't. Wanna bet?

“I blog about Buddhist news.”

Since: Apr 08

USA

#1016 Feb 21, 2011
Gosh, the people I'm meeting at the protest are nicer than all y'all...
Eric L

AOL

#1017 Feb 21, 2011
Obskeptic wrote:
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I would bet that W's grades were just as good as Obama's. The public can't answer that question though because Obama won't let anyone see his college transcripts. My experience in life is that liars are the ones with the most to hide.
It is certain that Bush with his C average grades at best, wouldn't have even been eligible to edit the Harvard Law Review, let alone get into Harvard outside of being a possible legacy. You would have to understand things like name dropping, legacies etc. to understand how Bush got into Yale (it wasn't high grades and if you have the right name connections, it doesn't always matter compared to being say rowing team captain and belonging to the "proper" fraternity). One thing that Bush (unlike Obama) learned firsthand was that legacies don't depend on being the smartest or having the best marks.
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1018 Feb 21, 2011
Someone needs to smack the enamel off the teeth of erica. He's one of those smug little dick suckers who thinks he's got one leg up on the rest because he's got teachers as parents. So far from the truth. He's about as bright as a burnt out light bulb and his posts have proven this. He does what every liberal who gets his ass kicked by me does, 1. changes the subject. 2. ignores the subject. 3. spins. 4. flat out lies and so much more.

Libs are SO easy to whoop. Don't get me wrong, they're aggravating as heck and will get the blood pressure of a cocoon up but that's because they won't and can't answer someone like myself with facts and accurate history.
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1019 Feb 21, 2011
This is how you have to debate libs. You have to take 1, tiny portion of the topic at a time. If you give them the entire thing, they're either easily confused or use it to hide behind. For example,(and this works face to face much better but I can try it here too...)

Erica, the average union teacher employee salary is 100k in WI. The average NON union worker teacher salary is less than half that (once you include benefits and pension).

Now, what do you think of that?(let's see if we can take him down one step at a time.)

“I blog about Buddhist news.”

Since: Apr 08

USA

#1020 Feb 21, 2011
Double posting this to debunk any crackpot theories that anyone outside local Wisconsin unions is behind the protests:

Sorry to explode this particular myth, Outsider, but I'm with the teaching assistants union at the university here, been here since day one of the protest last Sunday, and I'm proud to tell you that WE are behind this protest, WE set up a food bank (since local businesses have been donating food like crazy!), trash clean up both inside and outside the building, a lost and found, information tables throughout the capitol. I'm so proud of my fellow students and how well they're running this. We had been planning this since early last december since we knew what was coming. Did I EVER ONCE here of Organizing for America (this is actually the first time I've ever been to that website)? Did we EVER ONCE get approached by the DNC? Nope. Sorry, but we Wisconsin unions are doing this all on our own, from Valentines day when we mobilized 2,000 people from the University community, TAs, undergrads, and their families, to the following days when union members from all over Madison and the rest of the state joined us. Give us credit where credit is due. We don't need "Americans for Progress" to bus us in.
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1021 Feb 21, 2011
Eric L wrote:
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It is certain that Bush with his C average grades at best, wouldn't have even been eligible to edit the Harvard Law Review, let alone get into Harvard outside of being a possible legacy. You would have to understand things like name dropping, legacies etc. to understand how Bush got into Yale (it wasn't high grades and if you have the right name connections, it doesn't always matter compared to being say rowing team captain and belonging to the "proper" fraternity). One thing that Bush (unlike Obama) learned firsthand was that legacies don't depend on being the smartest or having the best marks.
Bingo! Another argument won! I quoted data, bush's grades, from yale and harvard. And what does dopey do? He diverts our attention on to "how bush got into yale, which by the way is purely speculation. perhaps daddy got him in, perhaps not. perhaps kerry's daddy got him in to, perhaps not. that's NOT the topic here. the topic is bush's grades.) See how sneaky these libs are? Shut up idiot erica. You're impossible.

Let me throw you a bone erica. Okay, daddy got bush into yale. And probably harvard too. WHO CARES! Did daddy take his tests for him too? Did daddy get his grades for him too? And did daddy pay the national guard off to sign off on bush jr's flying time as well? In other words, who cares how he got into yale or harvard or the national guard. This is all speculation anyway. If I had a gun to your head and asked you if you were willing to 'BET YOUR LIFE ON WHETHER DADDY GOT HIM INTO YALE AND HARVARD' would you be so sure as to take the chance and have the trigger pulled? Of course not. Again, speculation. Another lovely thing libs do. I have some speculation for you. Obama isn't a US citizen and he's a muslim terrorist. You like that speculation?

About the "daddy getting jr into yale thing..." Isn't that what you libs are about? Helping someone who doesn't have the merit to accomplish something on their own, accomplish something? Isn't that the entire idea of affirmative action? Or just more hypocrisy. LOSER, you will NEVER win an argument.

Hey dope, I thought you were too tired to debate??? Apparently not. You just can't and won't debate the nazi argument. It's over your head.

Since: Aug 10

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1022 Feb 21, 2011
A couple of things wrote:
Someone needs to smack the enamel off the teeth of erica. He's one of those smug little dick suckers who thinks he's got one leg up on the rest because he's got teachers as parents. So far from the truth. He's about as bright as a burnt out light bulb and his posts have proven this. He does what every liberal who gets his ass kicked by me does, 1. changes the subject. 2. ignores the subject. 3. spins. 4. flat out lies and so much more.
Libs are SO easy to whoop. Don't get me wrong, they're aggravating as heck and will get the blood pressure of a cocoon up but that's because they won't and can't answer someone like myself with facts and accurate history.
Progressives depend on annoying folks to the point that they just give up.

Since: Aug 10

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1023 Feb 21, 2011
lotus_in_the_hills wrote:
Gosh, the people I'm meeting at the protest are nicer than all y'all...
So the union is providing wifi?
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1024 Feb 21, 2011
lotus_in_the_hills wrote:
Double posting this to debunk any crackpot theories that anyone outside local Wisconsin unions is behind the protests:
Sorry to explode this particular myth, Outsider, but I'm with the teaching assistants union at the university here, been here since day one of the protest last Sunday, and I'm proud to tell you that WE are behind this protest, WE set up a food bank (since local businesses have been donating food like crazy!), trash clean up both inside and outside the building, a lost and found, information tables throughout the capitol. I'm so proud of my fellow students and how well they're running this. We had been planning this since early last december since we knew what was coming. Did I EVER ONCE here of Organizing for America (this is actually the first time I've ever been to that website)? Did we EVER ONCE get approached by the DNC? Nope. Sorry, but we Wisconsin unions are doing this all on our own, from Valentines day when we mobilized 2,000 people from the University community, TAs, undergrads, and their families, to the following days when union members from all over Madison and the rest of the state joined us. Give us credit where credit is due. We don't need "Americans for Progress" to bus us in.
Not true. Saw a clip on the news. Someone from "americans for progress" was discussing their mission and what they were out there to do.

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Since: Apr 08

USA

#1025 Feb 21, 2011
A couple of things wrote:
This is how you have to debate libs. You have to take 1, tiny portion of the topic at a time. If you give them the entire thing, they're either easily confused or use it to hide behind. For example,(and this works face to face much better but I can try it here too...)
Erica, the average union teacher employee salary is 100k in WI. The average NON union worker teacher salary is less than half that (once you include benefits and pension).
Now, what do you think of that?(let's see if we can take him down one step at a time.)
Great, links to back those figures? Do you know if those figures factor in or out school superintendents and high administration positions that make way more than the teachers? Sorry, I know quite a few public school teachers here in Madison, and none of them are anywhere near what you might call affluent. The lot of them are struggling to get by, just like everyone else.
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1026 Feb 21, 2011
Hey dopey erica, anymore comments on bush's 3.6 GPA at harvard?

How about bush learning how to fly a plane? Is that due to his 'stupidity' as well?

Here is a list of stupid things obama has done or said on national tv, it far outweighs bush:

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." –making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." -–after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." –in remarks after a health care round table with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." –in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified, Sept. 7, 2008

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run health care, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." –speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser about his troubles winning over some small-town, working-class voters, April 11, 2008

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

"I've now been in 57 states — I think one left to go." —at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon, May 9, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change."

There are SO many of these things, way more than bush has had in all 8 years, and dickhead obama has been in for only 2 years. Keep em coming dickhead, keep em' coming. And let's not forget biden! The guy is about as smart as a cantaloupe!

Since: Aug 10

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1027 Feb 21, 2011
lotus_in_the_hills wrote:
Double posting this to debunk any crackpot theories that anyone outside local Wisconsin unions is behind the protests:
Sorry to explode this particular myth, Outsider, but I'm with the teaching assistants union at the university here, been here since day one of the protest last Sunday, and I'm proud to tell you that WE are behind this protest, WE set up a food bank (since local businesses have been donating food like crazy!), trash clean up both inside and outside the building, a lost and found, information tables throughout the capitol. I'm so proud of my fellow students and how well they're running this. We had been planning this since early last december since we knew what was coming. Did I EVER ONCE here of Organizing for America (this is actually the first time I've ever been to that website)? Did we EVER ONCE get approached by the DNC? Nope. Sorry, but we Wisconsin unions are doing this all on our own, from Valentines day when we mobilized 2,000 people from the University community, TAs, undergrads, and their families, to the following days when union members from all over Madison and the rest of the state joined us. Give us credit where credit is due. We don't need "Americans for Progress" to bus us in.
Now the progressives believe we all have suddenly become blind.

I didn't know Jessie Jackson was a local..LMFAO.
A couple of things

West Palm Beach, FL

#1028 Feb 21, 2011
Here is one list, there are many more. The guy is a flaming dope!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobam...

Enjoy!

Since: Aug 10

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1029 Feb 21, 2011
lotus_in_the_hills wrote:
<quoted text>
Great, links to back those figures? Do you know if those figures factor in or out school superintendents and high administration positions that make way more than the teachers? Sorry, I know quite a few public school teachers here in Madison, and none of them are anywhere near what you might call affluent. The lot of them are struggling to get by, just like everyone else.
How does this figure grab you, union parasite?

http://www.cnsnews.com/print/81647
reality speaking

Spring Hill, FL

#1030 Feb 21, 2011
The same thing is happening in Florida with the newly elected "deer in headlights" Governor Rick Scott who better be careful or he'll find his a-ss out of office before his 4-year term is up at the rate he's going.
Pacfan

Eau Claire, WI

#1031 Feb 21, 2011
A couple of things wrote:
Today the left is known for disliking Jews and oppressing minorities. It's certainly well known that the left despises jews, even though there are many on the left who are jews, but that's for another posting. Oppressing minorities allows them to “create a problem, then offer a solution”, much like the sub prime mess, ALL STARTED BY DEMOCRATS!!!!!
Not only that but it was the right who passed all the civil rights acts (with the exception of Johnson who was pushed by Everett Dirksen, a republican to sign the civil rights act of 1964, all the while fighting tooth and nail against it.) This is why Martin Luther King was a stout republican. He knew what schools and the media are too ashamed to speak of nowadays- that the democrats are an anti Semite, racist party today as well as throughout history. Remember, it was the democrats who stared the KKK. If many of you are shocked, read your history- you'll find that democrats are much, much more racist than I've even begun to explain. Just think about it... why was welfare put in place? To keep certain groups DEPENDENT on the government. Simple but unknown by so many.
Many on the left will compare the right to nazi'sm because Hitler had mentioned Christianity in his writings. Hitler had a liking for Christianity, true but not because he was religious in anyway but rather because he liked that Christians were a "group", one in the same, just like what he wanted for the ayrain race-'unity, likeness, similarity'. He also stated that the Christians were crazy, that he had no time for people who believe in an imaginary person (referring to God.) and that he'd crush them if they ever seemed to be a threat. Let's not forget that he put about 3 million christians in the oven along with the jews as well, so I hardly think that he was a "christian".
In summary, the Nazi's far more resemble liberals any day of the week. Liberals know this and try their hardest to make sure a tight lid is kept on it.
People don't understand that it's the LIBERALS who don't support sanctions on China for inhumane treatment of their people, while the Republicans do and have supported more stipulations than the democrats. What have libs done about Castro's treatment of people? NOTHING! In fact, it’s the right that constantly belittles Castro and the left who constantly extols him as being the greatest thing since sliced bread! It's no secret that the left loves che guevera, mao and others as they run amok in the streets of san francisco and berkeley with stupid che gueverra **** on, always looking for the next new cool "che" shirt. They're too stupid to know that the man was not a revolutionary but rather a brutal dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children. But what does that matter to the left? They could give a damn. After all, do you think that someone who wears a 'che' shirt gives a damn about children? I'll let you decide that one erica, even you may understand what I'm getting at.
Here is a great article for your information on Dr. Martin Luther King's political affiliation:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Eric L

AOL

#1032 Feb 21, 2011
A couple of things wrote:
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Never read liberal fascism but will get to it one of these days. I take the time to teach you about Nazis and your response is "I'm too tired to respond" (even though you've had no problem sitting here all day and duking it out with others. once again, you're RUNNING FROM THE SUBJECT AT HAND, which is fine because it's 1. obvious and 2. makes my job easier.) Nice try on throwing out a random book and claiming the errors. Go ahead, point out my errors. You can't and won't. Wanna bet?
The fact is that you know nothing about the Nazis, so you are not qualified to teach that subject to anyone. Regarding the Nazis and anti Semitism, the roots of that anti Semitism go back to Christianity via the likes of St. John Chrysostum, St. Ambrose and Constantine. German anti Semitism can be found from an abundance of sources ranging from Catholics like Hildegard of Bingen to Protestant Reformation leader Martin Luther. Just about all the Nazis were bought up in Christian backgrounds (including Catholics like Hitler). The large number of conservative Catholics from southern Germany and Austria in the Nazi ranks may very well have enhanced their appeal with Pope Pius XII (who always sided with the Nazis over both the US and Soviet Union when it came to his moral condemnation). It is true that some Christians were imprisoned and executed by the Nazis, but that was because those particular Christians (along with a brave few Union leaders, liberals, communists etc.) criticized the Nazi regime, not because they were Christians alone. The people that the Nazis gained their base of support were largely rural German conservatives as well. The other elements such as the Nazis hatred of liberals, communists, labor unions, democratic government, racism, anti Semitism,militarism and glorification of war, their brazen anti intellectualism etc. put them firmly on the side of the political right wing as well. I know that you got your Nazi/ moral relativism theory from some cut and paste American Spectator article written by a conservative Christian apologist, but that thesis is dead wrong concerning the facts. After all, Sweden, Canada, Britain etc. have secular governments, but are hardly Nazi, not could you blame the secularism of the Renaissance or Classical world for Nazi criminality either. The fact remains that the Nazis exploited anti Semitism and the background for all of that (including "scientific" anti Semitism) came from German Christian anti Semitism. Skirt around that central fact all you want, but it is the elephant in the living room.

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