NYT: Teachers wonder, why the scorn?

There are 20 comments on the Mar 3, 2011, www.msnbc.msn.com story titled NYT: Teachers wonder, why the scorn?. In it, www.msnbc.msn.com reports that:

The jabs Erin Parker has heard about her job have stunned her. Oh you pathetic teachers, read the online comments and placards of counterdemonstrators. You are glorified baby sitters who leave work at 3 p.m. You deserve minimum wage.

Even in a country that is of two minds about teachers — Americans glowingly recall the ones who changed their lives, but think the job with its summers off is cushy — education experts say teachers have rarely been the targets of such scorn from politicians and voters.

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cjrian

United States

#150 Mar 8, 2011
Addendum:
If Public Scools were so good, then why do over 1/5 of Public School teachers send own their children elsewhere? Milwaukee - 29.4% of PS teachers send their kids to private schools. DC - 28%, Baltimore - 35%, Philly - 44%, Cincinnati - 41%; Chicago - 39%; Rochester, N.Y.- 38%, San Francisco-Oakland - 34%, NYC - 33%, NJ - 33%.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/...

Do you think maybe the teachers know something that the education lobby denies?

Since: Oct 10

Capitol Heights, MD

#151 Mar 8, 2011
cjrian wrote:
Addendum:
If Public Scools were so good, then why do over 1/5 of Public School teachers send own their children elsewhere? Milwaukee - 29.4% of PS teachers send their kids to private schools. DC - 28%, Baltimore - 35%, Philly - 44%, Cincinnati - 41%; Chicago - 39%; Rochester, N.Y.- 38%, San Francisco-Oakland - 34%, NYC - 33%, NJ - 33%.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/...
Do you think maybe the teachers know something that the education lobby denies?
Maybe it has something to do with the kids in the school. My son will not attend my high school. It is like thugville. Drugs, fights, gangbangs in the bathroom. I won't send him to private school but I will move first. The teaching is fine though.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#152 Mar 8, 2011
cjrian wrote:
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Last year over 1000 schools applied to have Obama deliver their commencement address
This year, the deadline has been extended when only 68 schools applied.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-200401...
It seems America IS getting smarter.
So, that's 68 in addition to the thousand who already applied? Do you think there might be some restrictions on his schedule as we move into re-election campaign territory? Or that a President is more popular as a speaker early in his Presidency?

Obama's neither a hero or villain, but you're CERTAINLY a partisan dope...

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#153 Mar 8, 2011
harvey wrote:
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Every post you make contradicts THAT claim.
Any link to your claim about fewer high schools seeking Obama as a speaker?
sure I always have links.

“Ignorantia valde pestifera.”

Since: Jan 09

Harding Township, NJ

#154 Mar 8, 2011
harvey wrote:
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So, that's 68 in addition to the thousand who already applied? Do you think there might be some restrictions on his schedule as we move into re-election campaign territory? Or that a President is more popular as a speaker early in his Presidency?
Obama's neither a hero or villain, but you're CERTAINLY a partisan dope...
Gee, I wonder if it's got anything to do with the 1,863 schools that have already canceled graduation/commencement ceremonies for lack of funds as they try to tighten budgets.

Funny how that statistic didn't make it into the dysinformation being spewed by the same old spam trolls.

Even funnier that the link supplied is from CBS News. I thought, after the Dan Rather incident, that frightwingers had completely discounted CBS as an utterly unreliable news source.

I guess the double-standards never end.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#155 Mar 8, 2011
GunnySteve wrote:
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Gee, I wonder if it's got anything to do with the 1,863 schools that have already canceled graduation/commencement ceremonies for lack of funds as they try to tighten budgets.
Funny how that statistic didn't make it into the dysinformation being spewed by the same old spam trolls.
Even funnier that the link supplied is from CBS News. I thought, after the Dan Rather incident, that frightwingers had completely discounted CBS as an utterly unreliable news source.
I guess the double-standards never end.
Yep, it might just have something to do with that. Hard to believe they'd leave that tidbit of information out, eh?

LOL

OK, it's not hard to believe at all...:)
Marcus

Charlottesville, VA

#156 Mar 8, 2011
harvey wrote:
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You are a vicious Nazi scumbag. Self-destruct, please.
Typical liberal. Cannot even begin to address a reasoned, logical argument so they result to name-calling. Not a shocker.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#157 Mar 9, 2011
cjrian wrote:
Addendum:
If Public Scools were so good, then why do over 1/5 of Public School teachers send own their children elsewhere? Milwaukee - 29.4% of PS teachers send their kids to private schools. DC - 28%, Baltimore - 35%, Philly - 44%, Cincinnati - 41%; Chicago - 39%; Rochester, N.Y.- 38%, San Francisco-Oakland - 34%, NYC - 33%, NJ - 33%.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/...
Do you think maybe the teachers know something that the education lobby denies?
The Washington Times? I see we have another Moonie cult follower on here.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#158 Mar 9, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>sure I always have links.
Yep, your links all lead to your insnity.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#159 Mar 9, 2011
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, your links all lead to your insnity.
more like your demise..........but hey if this is your shot at a real post.......you got no where to go but up.
Anonymous

Leesville, LA

#160 Mar 9, 2011
http://daytonos.com/...

"Chanin posed the question of why NEA is an effective advocate. Chanin said,“It is not because of creative ideas, it is not because of the merit of our position, it is not because we care about children, it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power and we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”(standing ovation)"

Food for thought.....

Pretty darned brazen to make a public statememt that it (the teachers union) is all about POWER.....
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#161 Mar 9, 2011
It is nauseating to hear teachers complain about how tough they have it....or worse still, when they act they care about the kids. Their only concern is their socialist, self-serving union and protecting their lavish benefits and pay packages for working short days half the year. The rest of the world is going through a financial crisis. It is time for these over-paid, under-worked dilettantes to start sharing the burden. The American people have lost patience and sympathy for teachers and their amoral unions.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#162 Mar 9, 2011
Those that can't do....teach. It's nothing new.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#163 Mar 9, 2011
Marcus wrote:
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Typical liberal. Cannot even begin to address a reasoned, logical argument so they result to name-calling. Not a shocker.
Duh....that was not a "reasoned, logical argument." Thus, my comments.

Deal with it, MORON.
Saul Alinsky

Pittsburgh, PA

#164 Mar 9, 2011
Ellis Washington: "President Obama in his first year raised the spending limit to unsustainable levels ($1.35 trillion); more than GWB did in 8 years and now Obama is championing a freeze on spending?! President Obama's first State of the Union Address painfully exemplifies that this clear and present danger to America is not Mr. Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man of this ilk with the presidency. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us -- lack of common sense and good judgment. To paraphrase a comment on Reuters: Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who despite his promise to 'fundamentally change America' is, after all, merely a fool. The failed Marxist policies encapsulated in Obama's first State of the Union Address makes him less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president. Seemingly remarking on these troublesome times, Etienne de la Boetie said:'If without violence the tyrant is simply not obeyed, he becomes naked and undone and as nothing.'" (Ellis Washington is a member of the national advisory council for the Project 21 black leadership network and a former editor of the Michigan Law Review.)

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#165 Mar 9, 2011
Eighthman wrote:
Those that can't do....teach. It's nothing new.
I believe the orignial quote was along the lines of..." Those that can, do...those that can't, teach" But we get your drift.

This helps illustrate my description of pony tailed ex hippie college professors...thanks
cjrian

United States

#166 Mar 9, 2011
Mykro wrote:
The Washington Times? I see we have another Moonie cult follower on here.
Can you dispute the facts rather than the source?

12% of average American parents send their children to private schools. Even given a 50% raw income advantage, that would mean that no more than 18% of teachers would send their children to private schools (actually less, if they have so much faith in Public Ed.). But, even though teachers, with their inordinate income, can select their residence more readily, and therefore, their children's schools, they STILL opt to bypass Public Ed. has grave implications for the state of Public Ed.

Put it this way, if an inordinate number of GM execs were buying Chryslers, every year, and discarding last years vehicle, even though the GM vehicles were "free", would you suspect a problem at GM?
harvey

Columbus, OH

#167 Mar 9, 2011
inbred Genius wrote:
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I believe the orignial quote was along the lines of..." Those that can, do...those that can't, teach" But we get your drift.
This helps illustrate my description of pony tailed ex hippie college professors...thanks
The usual mindless, far-Right stereotypes from you, right. As expected.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#168 Mar 9, 2011
harvey wrote:
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The usual mindless, far-Right stereotypes from you, right. As expected.
Whats worse, far right stereotypes, or far left?

I picture you and your ilk as ponytailed ex hippies, and you picture us as trailer park trash rednecks...whats the diff?
harvey

Columbus, OH

#169 Mar 9, 2011
inbred Genius wrote:
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Whats worse, far right stereotypes, or far left?
I picture you and your ilk as ponytailed ex hippies, and you picture us as trailer park trash rednecks...whats the diff?
I'm well aware of the dangers of stereotyping, you embrace them...:)

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