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Schools struggle to set best times to start, end day | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 32 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Feb 28, 2011, titled Schools struggle to set best times to start, end day | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Several central Ohio educators are tinkering with the school day to address a number of issues: budget cuts, academic performance and students' need for rest.

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Reader

Columbus, OH

#22 Feb 28, 2011
Chowder wrote:
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You are right in saying that the juggling act is not part of that equation. But how many parents do you know that will say that they are glad when summer is over because then they do not have to pay the baby-sitter as much? Those same parents are angry on snow days because that means they have to find child care, and that is a bigger burden than wondering if their children are safe while riding the bus.
Yep, I have been there. Snow days are not easy for working parents. Neither are summers.

Some parents are also glad when their children fall asleep at night, or when Grandma takes them for a weekend. Because being a parent is a tough job. One of the hardest tasks is making certain to take care of yourself in order to be able to continue to be a good parent.

And nobody needs to deal with your additional condemnation.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#23 Feb 28, 2011
Chowder wrote:
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Education is a right, but the way that people think of it is that they are enititled to the same education regardless of financial situation or place of domicile.
Maybe I just used the wrong word. Entitled would have been proper.
Oh, I see. You are one of those people who think that some are more entitled than others, eh?

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#24 Feb 28, 2011
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Oh, I see. You are one of those people who think that some are more entitled than others, eh?
No Napoleon (or are you Snowball?) I am one of those people who think some are better situations than others. And as nice as it would be for everyone to have the same, wonderful education, it just doesn't happen that way.

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#25 Feb 28, 2011
Reader wrote:
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Yep, I have been there. Snow days are not easy for working parents. Neither are summers.
Some parents are also glad when their children fall asleep at night, or when Grandma takes them for a weekend. Because being a parent is a tough job. One of the hardest tasks is making certain to take care of yourself in order to be able to continue to be a good parent.
And nobody needs to deal with your additional condemnation.
I agree that my last condemnation is a tough one. Unfortunately many people cannot afford to take off and I completely understand this as I live on a tight budget. But having said that, I know people who would rather see the kids on the bus than have to take one of their "precious sick days."
Do not understand it

Columbus, OH

#26 Feb 28, 2011
May I suggest that we start back to an 8 to 5 day with an hour off for lunch. That is the tradition hours. It is a 40 hour week. It makes them acquainted with the normal business schedule of the country. Give them two fifteen minute breaks during the day with an hour off for lunch.

If they have to work during the day and do their homework in the evening, they might know what there parents have to do an addition to coming home after work to make sure the students have dinner and can finish their homework. Maybe the kids may be tired enough to go to bed early and get their good night sleep that everyone is complaining about.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#27 Feb 28, 2011
Chowder wrote:
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No Napoleon (or are you Snowball?) I am one of those people who think some are better situations than others. And as nice as it would be for everyone to have the same, wonderful education, it just doesn't happen that way.
Doesn't happen that way because that is the way that we choose for it to be. Education doesn't "just happen" in any particular way. We determine what is available through public policy. And our public policy supports a system that ensures that those who come into the world having more to begin with get a better education in order to ensure that they have a better than average chance to hold on to it.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#28 Feb 28, 2011
Do not understand it wrote:
May I suggest that we start back to an 8 to 5 day with an hour off for lunch. That is the tradition hours. It is a 40 hour week. It makes them acquainted with the normal business schedule of the country. Give them two fifteen minute breaks during the day with an hour off for lunch.
If they have to work during the day and do their homework in the evening, they might know what there parents have to do an addition to coming home after work to make sure the students have dinner and can finish their homework. Maybe the kids may be tired enough to go to bed early and get their good night sleep that everyone is complaining about.
We could do that, but it would cost a good bit more than what we currently pay for education.

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#29 Feb 28, 2011
Reader wrote:
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Doesn't happen that way because that is the way that we choose for it to be. Education doesn't "just happen" in any particular way. We determine what is available through public policy. And our public policy supports a system that ensures that those who come into the world having more to begin with get a better education in order to ensure that they have a better than average chance to hold on to it.
Many times I would say that you are right but I do have a few cases that would argue against that.

I came from a lower income area in Columbus. I went to school by Mount Vernon Ave. If you are not familiar with the area, you really are not missing anything. I knew I wanted better than what my parents could give me and I made the effort to do well given the circumstances. I did do well, went to college (on my own dime), and now have a job with good benefits, and good pay. Even more is that I ENJOY it. Not trying to toot my own horn, but just showing one case.

Another way I disagree is that those who are in lower income areas do receive (or have the opportunity to receive) a lot of help financially.

I think that what it boils down to is that you will always have students who would rather blame mom, dad, the teacher, the principal, the time, the lack of work, too much work, the weather, or any other myriad of things for why they did poorly on a test or in school. Excuses are convenient and we live in a society that caters to the excuse-givers.
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#30 Feb 28, 2011
Ruth wrote:
"It's ridiculous having kids getting up at 5:30 a.m. each morning. I don't know many jobs that start before 8a.m."
Airhead comment of the year. Many traditional vocations also don't END the day at the times that schools typically dismiss.
I get up, check my wells, etc and am done before 8 am allowing me to do other gainful activities. When I was a kid I used to get up an go squirrel hunting before school. I don't see why kids today need to be allowed to sleep so damn late.
Whatever

Grove City, OH

#31 Feb 28, 2011
Linda wrote:
Suggestion: Close all the schools, sell the buildings, in fact, sell all the assets. Go to home schooling for All. Keep teachers.
You really are a kook aren't you? This is about the third post of yours today that is so moronic that it defies belief.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#32 Feb 28, 2011
Chowder wrote:
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Many times I would say that you are right but I do have a few cases that would argue against that.
I came from a lower income area in Columbus. I went to school by Mount Vernon Ave. If you are not familiar with the area, you really are not missing anything. I knew I wanted better than what my parents could give me and I made the effort to do well given the circumstances. I did do well, went to college (on my own dime), and now have a job with good benefits, and good pay. Even more is that I ENJOY it. Not trying to toot my own horn, but just showing one case.
Another way I disagree is that those who are in lower income areas do receive (or have the opportunity to receive) a lot of help financially.
I think that what it boils down to is that you will always have students who would rather blame mom, dad, the teacher, the principal, the time, the lack of work, too much work, the weather, or any other myriad of things for why they did poorly on a test or in school. Excuses are convenient and we live in a society that caters to the excuse-givers.
End of the day, when you have a school (such as Champion Middle School for instance--perhaps you went there) where the overwhelming majority of the students are far below grade level knowledge in any tested area, it would behoove one to look further into causality than to assume that there is just a concentration of bad attitudes in that one school. Particularly when one considers that there are other schools, where income and race are very different, where the exact opposite is true.
Right

United States

#33 Feb 28, 2011
Reader, Some clarification please. Where does it say education is a right? It's not in the U.S. Constitution. Is it in the Ohio Constitution?

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