#994 Mar 17, 2013
ThomasA - the sources that I was speaking of are new sources of electricity. OG&E has not built a new fossil fuel plant since the 70s. Nearly all of their production budget has gone to wind energy, which does not replace fossil fuel plants - because even in Oklahoma, the wind doesn't always blow - so there always has to be a redundant fossil fuel plant to back up every wind generator. Coal is plentiful and so is natural gas.
Obviously, conservation is part of the equation, but SMART meters don't conserve energy. More efficient heating and cooling systems do, and yet a very limited amount of money goes to retrofitting or encouraging better efficiency for the same comfort. The net effect of SMART meters is to make people less comfortable and less secure.
#995 Mar 17, 2013
My gripe with energy policy is that OG&E is trying to sugar coat the SMART meter program by telling people that it saves energy when it doesn't.
You want real savings, update 1000 homes and businesses a year with GEO-thermal A/C. Call a spade a spade. SMART meters are an operational savings for OG&E at the expense of the health and security of the customer, but they DON'T SAVE ENERGY.
OG&E builds wind mills because they are government subsidized - not because they are a great source of energy. The windmills produce a small fraction of OG&E's total electrical output, and as mentioned before, every windmill needs a fossil fuel generation system to back it up anyway, so it doesn't even save on capital equipment cost.
#996 Mar 20, 2013
So you can read a meter. Wow.
You wouldn't be allowed to live in my neighborhood.
No one would recommend you.
Again, pickups not allowed.
My cramped lot ( house not included ) is accessed at over a $1M.
#997 Mar 20, 2013
You really give me the giggles, thinking that $1M lot makes you something special.
Like I said, way too small for me - in a neighborhood of equally small and arrogant people that think that living behind a wall and gates somehow gives them a corner on intelligence and gives them the right to control or destroy other people's lives.
Small little places, small little people, small little minds, small little dreams that they are somehow important in the small little world that they have imagined for themselves.
#998 Mar 20, 2013
That's truely well said.
You're not invited.
Not intelligent enough.
Other people need controlling for 'our' own good.
Your smart meter is listening and reporting on you.
Destroy it now. Use a metal club.
You'll feel controlled.
#999 Mar 20, 2013
Wouldn't want an invitation to your little cloister of arrogance. And frankly, you have exposed yourself. It isn't about saving energy, SMART meters are about control.
And just so you know, I have already neutered my SMART meter might have been able to gather.
Perhaps you could explain to the forum why someone of your "stature" living in gated zoo in Dallas is posting on the Oklahoma forum?
#1000 Mar 20, 2013
I covered this subjest already.
It's amusing to belittle Okies
and point out their stupidity.
Wish it were more difficult though.
I actually live in Southlake.
No red dirt allowed.
#1001 Mar 20, 2013
Guess where our President got the stupid "smart"meters from. PUB. DATE February 1998 .....Reports on Enron Energy Service's plan ..
.to use Motorola Flex two-way paging technology and Mtel's nationwide advanced messaging network for its residential metering system.
#1002 Mar 20, 2013
You have TROLL written all over you. Your only objective is to prevent useful discussion from taking place.
#1003 Mar 22, 2013
If this were a forum on the flat earth,
it would stand more chance of being taken seriously.
Keep those amusing posting coming.
Do you know why so many Okies carry box tops
into grocery stores ?
They can't read !!
#1005 Mar 28, 2013
And feel controlled. Control is good for the common
stiff. They need it and they secretly desire it.
The common people aren't intelligence enough to understand
that electric demand and costs are connected. They'll
just become angry and feel controlled. It's a good thing
#1007 Apr 2, 2013
Even I am sorry for you for
having driven a KIA.
#1008 Apr 2, 2013
ThomasA, sadly you are the one that is doing the 2-step. You are giddy with excitement about the billions of dollars being spent that don't do a single thing to improve HVAC cooling efficiency. Now THAT is something that would ACTUALLY SAVE ELECTRICITY.
The technology is available that can yield real savings, but yet you and people like you have squandered billions of dollars on foolishness like SMART meters with the only result being higher prices and a lower standard of living.
I hope that you read the report that showed that Germany has spent in excess of $100 billion to stave off global warming for a whopping 37 minutes.
Its you and people like you that are destroying the economy of this country by supporting foolish initiatives that increase the cost of energy. And in this case, those that are least able to cope with the effects are those that are most susceptible to them. i.e. those that actually stay at home during the day, like the elderly and those with small children, those on fixed incomes and modest budgets.
Shame on you. The legacy that you are leaving your children and grandchildren is one of a lower standard of living and a feeble economy. It will be a delicious slice of irony when you or those you love are found in an old folks home somewhere and they cut off the AC from 2pm until 7pm. I am sure that the residents will give you a standing ovation.
#1009 Apr 3, 2013
You are so right. I'm sure the utility companies are
squandering billions on foolishness like smart meters.
That's got to be wrong. I wish you were in charge
so that this would stop. You're a genius.
If they upped the voltage they could sell even more.
Think about it. Make that suggestion to them, genius.
#1010 Apr 3, 2013
Its easy to squander government money. You notice they didn't spend their own money. Genius.
#1011 Apr 3, 2013
And your pointlessness is amazing.
Tell me more of how you've investing
in tin foil production.
#1012 Apr 16, 2013
This forum died.
Where is all that self-righteous indignation.
Or have you just settled back into the
normal drunken stupor so well known in
#1013 Dec 2, 2013
do you have to let OG&E install there anlog metter
#1014 Dec 2, 2013
do we have to let OG&E install there anlog meters if we don't want them
#1015 Dec 2, 2013
Your first stop is the corporation commission. Let them know of your concerns and be as specific as you can. The issues with smart meters have not gone away - rather they have become more apparent.
Some cities/municipalities have successfully passed laws against smart meters. The one thing that OG&E fears most is an informed public that is willing to take legal action.
There are lots of resources on the web of other groups throughout the country that have banded together to raise awareness.
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