Man Forces Sanger Police to Shoot, Ma...

Man Forces Sanger Police to Shoot, Man Dies

There are 85 comments on the KMPH-TV Fresno story from Jun 16, 2012, titled Man Forces Sanger Police to Shoot, Man Dies. In it, KMPH-TV Fresno reports that:

Dority says Sanger officers found the 46 year old man hiding in the bushes and officers kept ordering to get on the ground, but he says the man refused to listen.

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wakeup

Fresno, CA

#63 Jan 8, 2013
Well, I just thought I could offer some education to those who are disputatious, on a topic that I know well. Also, you could know as much about this case or the San Jose pd case or the recent Fresno pd case as I do if you research them. Oh yeah , you also need to go to law school and study police procedure, then you can understand the intricacies involved and see between the lines.
jennie ruiz

Lodi, CA

#64 Jan 8, 2013
This family has no interest in "learning the intricacies of police work". Our interest lies in having Sanger PD explain and jusify their actions as regards our brothers death at their hands. The end. You have made rude, nasty, cruel comments regarding our family. You do not know any of us. We have waited and waited for the PD to say something. Their only interest in this matter is to close ranks around their officers and protect them. I have stated how uncaring and insensitive their attitude has been throughout these six months. Our only course is to press for an accounting. An accounting you seem to feel we are not entitled to. Because my brother had a police record.
wakeup

Fresno, CA

#65 Jan 9, 2013
jennie ruiz wrote:
This family has no interest in "learning the intricacies of police work". Our interest lies in having Sanger PD explain and jusify their actions as regards our brothers death at their hands. The end. You have made rude, nasty, cruel comments regarding our family. You do not know any of us. We have waited and waited for the PD to say something. Their only interest in this matter is to close ranks around their officers and protect them. I have stated how uncaring and insensitive their attitude has been throughout these six months. Our only course is to press for an accounting. An accounting you seem to feel we are not entitled to. Because my brother had a police record.
The fact you have no interest in learning about police procedure, tells me no matter what the outcome is, you have already made up your mind (which means you may never except the justice you claim to seek). Your absolutely wrong about how I feel. I feel you are owed an explanation; but I also know you cannot get it until they have completed whatever it is they need to complete. Also, completion can mean that they have to have several people review the findings. I offered you perspective as to why this incident and your waiting may be occurring. You are the one who has turned it into a grudge match. Let me ask you, why do you say they (the police) have been uncaring and insensitive? Specifically what have they done. You can't say they haven't told you anything, because unfortunately that's how these things work, except for impatient people who would chastise others as murders without any proof. Especially after the legal aspect (the reason for using lethal force) of the incident was ruled justified (also know as legal). You do know the officers have no say in when and how information is provided to the public... Right?
jennie ruiz

Lodi, CA

#66 Jan 9, 2013
dude, why are you still plucking that one string? What stake do you have in this matter? We are not stupid, nor are we naive. You would have us believe that everything the police rule as justified, is in fact just that. why don't you go find someone else to chastise for their insistence upon being told the truth? Move on.
wakeup

Kent, WA

#67 Jan 9, 2013
jennie ruiz wrote:
dude, why are you still plucking that one string? What stake do you have in this matter? We are not stupid, nor are we naive. You would have us believe that everything the police rule as justified, is in fact just that. why don't you go find someone else to chastise for their insistence upon being told the truth? Move on.
Yeah your right, I'm waisting my time trying to educate you. You may not be stupid or naive about a lot in this world, but about this topic, your as ignorant as they come. So if you have no other questions or comments I'll be moving on, unless of course you want to continue bad mouthing people who risk everything to protect us, people who don't even know us. Here's the real bottom line: the only fact we know for sure, is that you don't know anything factual about the incident, but you would insist that your brother was murdered. Guess what, he wasn't murdered, so why don't you move on or keep your ignorance to yourself or realize that you were wrong for making the insensitive, uncaring and uneducated comments about those officers. Why, because your brother wasn't murdered. In fact look up the legal definition of murder and you'll see you're wrong; although you probably won't admit it.
jennie ruiz

Lodi, CA

#68 Jan 9, 2013
Too invested in this matter that does not involve you. Too adamant that the police were "justified". Yeah. How do you know the facts? Mr. Officer, Sir? You are totally off subject. We have not asked you anything. You are the one with verbal diarrhea. Just know this. We are determined to find out the facts of June 15th 2012. It is no business of yours.
wakeup

Kent, WA

#69 Jan 10, 2013
jennie ruiz wrote:
Too invested in this matter that does not involve you. Too adamant that the police were "justified". Yeah. How do you know the facts? Mr. Officer, Sir? You are totally off subject. We have not asked you anything. You are the one with verbal diarrhea. Just know this. We are determined to find out the facts of June 15th 2012. It is no business of yours.
Good luck with all that.
no bs from the cops

Lodi, CA

#70 Jan 26, 2013
been reading the posts on this thread. What sticks out is the people all claming to know how this will go down. No one knows. Have not seen anything on the news. Its a non story. Period.
Against allodds

Kent, WA

#71 Feb 1, 2013
This had been goin on since June we're now in February, if we don't what happened yet then truth is hiding behind the trigger pullers.. They're the ones who have to live with guilt. So remember that when were gettin pulled over for no reason. It just happened to me. No ticket just harassment. Thanx officer ******.
Officer

Fresno, CA

#72 Feb 3, 2013
Against allodds wrote:
This had been goin on since June we're now in February, if we don't what happened yet then truth is hiding behind the trigger pullers.. They're the ones who have to live with guilt. So remember that when were gettin pulled over for no reason. It just happened to me. No ticket just harassment. Thanx officer ******.
You're welcome :)
Not2cool

Lodi, CA

#73 Feb 19, 2013
Does sanger pd ever have to explain themselves for this?
Prince of Portervillw

Stockton, CA

#74 Feb 19, 2013
Not2cool wrote:
Does sanger pd ever have to explain themselves for this?
Do you mean legally, or morally? Either way, so far, they haven't. They're too busy coordinating the passive aggressive patrols of the area where they killed Charlie when his family is there.
Truth isRude

Kent, WA

#75 Jun 27, 2013
wakeup wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck with all that.
So u take it they're lucky since u haven't posted anymore
wakeup

Concord, CA

#76 Jun 29, 2013
Truth isRude wrote:
<quoted text>So u take it they're lucky since u haven't posted anymore
No, I don't think their lucky. I think you and most others who condemn the officers are irrational, emotionally attached in some way, feel they have been wronged by police and are simply uneducated on the topics of police use of force. Why don't you read up on the several articles written by the force science institute who study human response, thought processes, and reaction to action. Frankly, I got tired of trying to inform the people who can't think past nightly television. There are so many factors that you can't fathom because you don't do and or haven't taken the time to understand what goes into making a deadly force decision. There's a lot of plain ignorance in the world. It's like the people who thought the world was flat and could see beyond what they believe. So.... That's why I stopped.
Go to sleep

Concord, CA

#77 Jul 3, 2013
wakeup wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't think their lucky. I think you and most others who condemn the officers are irrational, emotionally attached in some way, feel they have been wronged by police and are simply uneducated on the topics of police use of force. Why don't you read up on the several articles written by the force science institute who study human response, thought processes, and reaction to action. Frankly, I got tired of trying to inform the people who can't think past nightly television. There are so many factors that you can't fathom because you don't do and or haven't taken the time to understand what goes into making a deadly force decision. There's a lot of plain ignorance in the world. It's like the people who thought the world was flat and could see beyond what they believe. So.... That's why I stopped.
Deadly force shouldn't have happened here.. No one was in danger! He only threatened his own life! If cops can't handle that they shouldn't be cops. Should just be in military!
wakeup

Concord, CA

#78 Jul 3, 2013
Go to sleep wrote:
<quoted text>Deadly force shouldn't have happened here.. No one was in danger! He only threatened his own life! If cops can't handle that they shouldn't be cops. Should just be in military!
The cops lives could have been in danger, the publics lives could have been in danger; but like I said, plain ignorance on your part. I mean, isn't that the case with most Monday morning quarterbacks who didn't see the game and weren't in the game. Hindsight is always 20/20. Nobody ever asked a dead person what they would have done different; so if the police acted on the belief that he would hurt them or some citizen, then erring on the side of caution is better then trying to ask a dead cop what he would do different or a dead citizen what the cops should have done different. Make no mistake, the antagonist in this situation is not the cops... It's the person that called 911 and said I have a gun.
really-really

Lodi, CA

#79 Jul 10, 2013
wow, this guy is totally hung up on defending the sanger PD. Is he a cop? Its over a year later and he won't let it go. The guys family isn't on this forum. What's the deal? Who you preaching to?
wakeup

Fresno, CA

#80 Jul 11, 2013
really-really wrote:
wow, this guy is totally hung up on defending the sanger PD. Is he a cop? Its over a year later and he won't let it go. The guys family isn't on this forum. What's the deal? Who you preaching to?
Wow yourself. How many times are you gonna change your username. Plus, I thought this was a social networking site, whereupon questions or comments can be posed or debated. Lets just say I was a cop; that would make me an authority on the topic of use of force in addition to police practice and therefore you should give weight to what I have to say because it would be factual and experienced based. One more thing, I could careless if "the guys family" was on this forum or not. I'm willing to inform anyone about law enforcement practice, because I'm tired of the uneducated, ignorant culture that thinks all cops are dirty when only a small percentage are. You only hear about "dirty cops" or cops shooting people because it gets sensationalized by media because it sells and entertains those people who don't care about facts and only care about what info they get on they're nightly news.
Go to sleep

Kent, WA

#81 Jul 11, 2013
wakeup wrote:
<quoted text>
The cops lives could have been in danger, the publics lives could have been in danger; but like I said, plain ignorance on your part. I mean, isn't that the case with most Monday morning quarterbacks who didn't see the game and weren't in the game. Hindsight is always 20/20. Nobody ever asked a dead person what they would have done different; so if the police acted on the belief that he would hurt them or some citizen, then erring on the side of caution is better then trying to ask a dead cop what he would do different or a dead citizen what the cops should have done different. Make no mistake, the antagonist in this situation is not the cops... It's the person that called 911 and said I have a gun.
So the people who put the citizens and law enforcements lives endanger call 911 on themselves!! No they don't... Have u seen the video to this watch it this guy was compliant until they said get down but his arms were up!! Nothing in hands watch it on a smart tv with a big screen it shows it
wakeup

Concord, CA

#82 Jul 12, 2013
Go to sleep wrote:
<quoted text>So the people who put the citizens and law enforcements lives endanger call 911 on themselves!! No they don't... Have u seen the video to this watch it this guy was compliant until they said get down but his arms were up!! Nothing in hands watch it on a smart tv with a big screen it shows it
Actually that's exactly what he did, he called 911 and said he has a gun. I've also seen the video, we must be watching two different videos, because I see no compliance and no hands in the air. Get informed so that you know the facts and don't speculate on them.

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