Man Forces Sanger Police to Shoot, Ma...

Man Forces Sanger Police to Shoot, Man Dies

There are 85 comments on the KMPH-TV Fresno story from Jun 16, 2012, titled Man Forces Sanger Police to Shoot, Man Dies. In it, KMPH-TV Fresno reports that:

Dority says Sanger officers found the 46 year old man hiding in the bushes and officers kept ordering to get on the ground, but he says the man refused to listen.

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Alwaysfaithful

Union City, CA

#1 Jun 16, 2012
So, how does a man force 3 police officers to shoot him 30 times?? Was this man armed?? If he wasn't, I'd say 1 bullet isn't necessary..
Alwaysfaithful

Union City, CA

#2 Jun 16, 2012
Love u tio
Alwaysfaithful

Lodi, CA

#3 Jun 16, 2012
Was the man even armed?? Was he a threat to society?? Anyone that knows the area will know that it's not cool to even pull out a gun by chuck wagon on a Friday because threres innocent ppl there!!! But the so called Sanger police will shoot 30 to 40 rounds at 1 man... WTF.. That was probably a scream for help in ones eyes... But to the SPD he was a threat... And he " forced police officers to kill him.." that's not the first time how about the incident near mcdonalds??? What kid doesn't like happy meals?? Shame on SPD!!!
kNOW YOUR FACTS

Kingsburg, CA

#4 Jun 21, 2012
The man shot at McDonalds was shot by Fresno PD who had arranged a buy with this low life drug dealer. He was armed and he got blown away..Simple as that...one less drug dealer on the streets...our kids are safer with one less pice of shit selling their junk..
Alwaysfaithful

Oakland, CA

#5 Jun 21, 2012
It was still a person wearing a badge... Now the victim killed on June 15 wasn't a piece of shit nor was armed...
truth

Concord, CA

#7 Jun 29, 2012
Alwaysfaithful wrote:
It was still a person wearing a badge... Now the victim killed on June 15 wasn't a piece of shit nor was armed...
Alwaysfaithful wrote:
It was still a person wearing a badge... Now the victim killed on June 15 wasn't a piece of shit nor was armed...
your right about him not being armed which is why he probably shouldn't have made the mistake of telling the 9-11 operator he was armed with the 9 mm and two knives. Don't tell the police you are armed and then run and hide from them because they usually have bigger guns and much more of them. And if your crazy enough to want to commit suicide and challenge police your probably not safe enough to function in society. Im glad it wasn't worse. He might of harmed someone else while fulfilling his dearh wish. Can't trust a crazy person.
kNOW YOUR FACTS

Kingsburg, CA

#8 Jun 30, 2012
Alwaysfaithful wrote:
It was still a person wearing a badge... Now the victim killed on June 15 wasn't a piece of shit nor was armed...
No, he wasn't a piece of shit...he was someone who needed mental health intervention. Unfortunately, our state politicians don't give a fuck about mental illness and continue to drain the annual budget set aside for our counties to offer that needed help.

Fortunately, for the Sanger Police Department, the 911 tapes justified their shoot. He wasn't armed, but he stated he was...clearly he wanted to die, which is a shame. It's a shame on our current state of affairs in regards to mental health and a shame of our US Government for not seeing that someone who was protecting our country needed help.

My sympathy and condolences to you and your family, but you can not blame the Sanger PD for doing the job they are paid to do. There is no other job in this world, besides that of a military man/woman during times of conflict, where a person puts on a uniform to serve and protect, knowing he/she may not be back to see his family later that day.
Alwaysfaithful

Concord, CA

#9 Jul 1, 2012
Thank you... But I hope no one has to go thru this... And I would like for people to look at police as not only authority figures but ppl who care about their community. This man isn't a dangerous person but he does or did have issues... He wouldn't hurt anyone physically... Listen to 911 call he made and pay attn how he replies, " yes ma'am " and how he wouldn't want anyone else to get hurt... He was the kindest person.. He is Charles Salinas USMC!!
MyBrother

Sacramento, CA

#10 Jul 2, 2012
Charles Salinas shot in Sanger on June 15, 2012, by Sanger Police was not crazy or a piece of shit. He was a kind and loving person, brother, uncle; and a man who was proud to serve his country.

Yes, he made the 911 Call, but just because someone wants to die doesn't mean you shoot them.

The police made no less than lethal attempts to restrain him. He did not have a weapon, he repeatedly said he would hurt no one. Who was in charge that day? Why were more than 30 shots fired?, many of them after he was down.

Instead of passing judgement without the facts questions about what happeed that day should asked. What did the police know and when did they know it?

Police carry the heavy burden of having to make life and death decisions everyday and because of that there are protocols for diffrent situations. Deadly force can only be used when the life of others is in jeopardy.

There are many questions left unanswered.

For those who knew and loved Charles this is a tragedy. A man as kind and loving as he should not have died like this. He should have been given a chance. I Love you Charlie.
truth

Fresno, CA

#11 Jul 3, 2012
MyBrother wrote:
Charles Salinas shot in Sanger on June 15, 2012, by Sanger Police was not crazy or a piece of shit. He was a kind and loving person, brother, uncle; and a man who was proud to serve his country.

Yes, he made the 911 Call, but just because someone wants to die doesn't mean you shoot them.

The police made no less than lethal attempts to restrain him. He did not have a weapon, he repeatedly said he would hurt no one. Who was in charge that day? Why were more than 30 shots fired?, many of them after he was down.

Instead of passing judgement without the facts questions about what happeed that day should asked. What did the police know and when did they know it?

Police carry the heavy burden of having to make life and death decisions everyday and because of that there are protocols for diffrent situations. Deadly force can only be used when the life of others is in jeopardy.

There are many questions left unanswered.

For those who knew and loved Charles this is a tragedy. A man as kind and loving as he should not have died like this. He should have been given a chance. I Love you Charlie.
It i so easy to blame police when something this tragic occurs. Where we're you and his family/friends when he needed help. It should have never gotten this far if he had the support from them and encouragement to get help. Just because you write "I love you Charlie" doesn't mean squat if you didn't show him that while he was alive.

The police did what they felt necessary given the information provided in the 9-11 and the circumstances given.

Also there were less than lethal attempts to restrain him. Didn't u watch the news? They shot at him first with the bean bag gun and he still didn't cooperate.

Before you pass judgement ob the police be sure to inderstabd that police may use deadly force if there is sufficient fear for their safety or the safety of others (hence the information given by dispatch and his actions).

Put yourself in this situation. Now, your chasing a man who said he was going to put on battle gear, is armed with a 9mm handgun and two knifes. He is found hiding in a bush; unknown if he was attempting an ambush technique, and is uncooperative. Because he is a trained marine, stated he was armed, possibly wearing body armor underneath his clothing and is refusing to show you his hands there is more than enough there which provides suffient fear and belief he is dangerous.

Im pretty sure his action when he lunged at officers and the totality of circumstances is the reason why he was shot. It's not like they just gunned him down while he was hiding in the bushes. Now if I was in that position I know I'm going to take every precaution to ensure I go home to my wife and kids.

Such a selfish way to die also. For whatever reason he refused to carry out this suicide himself, the lives of these officers are forever changed because they have to deal with this tragedy. People tend to forget that officers are people too. Imagine going home to your family knowing you took a mans life to ensure the safety of the public and your own.

But go ahead and convince yourself that it's someone else's fault when you or his family weren't there to prevent this. It's always someone's else's fault and those who stood by and did nothing will always complain.
Alwaysfaithful

Lodi, CA

#12 Jul 3, 2012
Listen to the full 9-1-1 call... Do you hear the way Charlie speaks? He's telling the dispatcher that he'll run away from the area he was in if he feels he's putting anybody elses life at risk!! At no time did I hear any profanity from him. He apologizes for lying about what he was wearing. He also said he will not even scratch a police officer and he made it clear that the dispatcher was aware of his statement by repeating himself.. So if u put yourself in those police officers shoes knowing you killed a man that wasn't armed and had no intentions of hurting anyone. My biggest fear would be having a job to provide for my family!!! This victim was a Sanger high graduate class of 1984!! That same year he made the choice of serving our country. Why would someone do that for the safety of the citizens of our country that does include you... So when the police made they're decision or reacted on a man that was said to be hiding under bushes lunged at them... Which is almost impossible to lunge forward while laying prone.. At the end of the day who put the publics life at risk?? An unarmed USMC vet or the the trained professional police officers who all fealt threatened by one man who said he will not even scratch a police officer!!! Why wasn't that whole area blocked off to the public police have the authority to do that don't they?? No instead they fire off their weapons knowing there's a possibility that an innocent people in the area... Have you watched all the news reports somebody sent the footage and it looks to me like it was recorded from a cell phone I could be wrong though!!! Public safety huh? Sounds like excessive force, or overkill... What do you think truth?
truth

Fresno, CA

#13 Jul 3, 2012
Alwaysfaithful wrote:
Listen to the full 9-1-1 call... Do you hear the way Charlie speaks? He's telling the dispatcher that he'll run away from the area he was in if he feels he's putting anybody elses life at risk!! At no time did I hear any profanity from him. He apologizes for lying about what he was wearing. He also said he will not even scratch a police officer and he made it clear that the dispatcher was aware of his statement by repeating himself.. So if u put yourself in those police officers shoes knowing you killed a man that wasn't armed and had no intentions of hurting anyone. My biggest fear would be having a job to provide for my family!!! This victim was a Sanger high graduate class of 1984!! That same year he made the choice of serving our country. Why would someone do that for the safety of the citizens of our country that does include you... So when the police made they're decision or reacted on a man that was said to be hiding under bushes lunged at them... Which is almost impossible to lunge forward while laying prone.. At the end of the day who put the publics life at risk?? An unarmed USMC vet or the the trained professional police officers who all fealt threatened by one man who said he will not even scratch a police officer!!! Why wasn't that whole area blocked off to the public police have the authority to do that don't they?? No instead they fire off their weapons knowing there's a possibility that an innocent people in the area... Have you watched all the news reports somebody sent the footage and it looks to me like it was recorded from a cell phone I could be wrong though!!! Public safety huh? Sounds like excessive force, or overkill... What do you think truth?
Believe or not people lie to dispatchers and police so just because he said he wasn't going to do anything to police doesn't mean they can put their guard down and hug it out. I'm done wasting anymore time trying to educate you. Again, people love to point there finger and b!tch about the actions of others without having any idea what really happened because they weren't there. I still wonder where was his family and friends before this incident. I'm certain there were signs years before he made that call. It's their lack of caring and effort which led to this mans demise. The police just reacted to his actions and did what they had to do because of his family's/ friends failings to be there for him. Don't blame the outcome when no one did anything to fix the problem including you!
truth

Fresno, CA

#14 Jul 3, 2012
Alwaysfaithful wrote:
Listen to the full 9-1-1 call... Do you hear the way Charlie speaks? He's telling the dispatcher that he'll run away from the area he was in if he feels he's putting anybody elses life at risk!! At no time did I hear any profanity from him. He apologizes for lying about what he was wearing. He also said he will not even scratch a police officer and he made it clear that the dispatcher was aware of his statement by repeating himself.. So if u put yourself in those police officers shoes knowing you killed a man that wasn't armed and had no intentions of hurting anyone. My biggest fear would be having a job to provide for my family!!! This victim was a Sanger high graduate class of 1984!! That same year he made the choice of serving our country. Why would someone do that for the safety of the citizens of our country that does include you... So when the police made they're decision or reacted on a man that was said to be hiding under bushes lunged at them... Which is almost impossible to lunge forward while laying prone.. At the end of the day who put the publics life at risk?? An unarmed USMC vet or the the trained professional police officers who all fealt threatened by one man who said he will not even scratch a police officer!!! Why wasn't that whole area blocked off to the public police have the authority to do that don't they?? No instead they fire off their weapons knowing there's a possibility that an innocent people in the area... Have you watched all the news reports somebody sent the footage and it looks to me like it was recorded from a cell phone I could be wrong though!!! Public safety huh? Sounds like excessive force, or overkill... What do you think truth?
Also he didn't lunge at them while laying prone (idiot) he was standing up. And They attempted to use less than lethal attempts but he still didn't cooperate. Read the witness statements in the news and get your facts straight before you infect any empty minds with anymore of your garbage.
Alwaysfaithful

Concord, CA

#15 Jul 3, 2012
Is that so?? Did u witness?? The people who were at the detail shop saw it all!! Idiot there was also a teenager there that saw (idiot) and he was my uncle and I'm lucky that I had an uncle like him!! Not that it's any of ur business, but u should talk to the ppl on that property he did not lunge... And FYI I know alot more about what happened then what I'm saying on here... Oh and what less lethal force was used a pistol rather than the 12 gauge... Oh and do u kno Charles salinas or any of his family?? Don't judge ppl especially when u don't know them!! But maybe u should meet is since u have so much to say...
starsex97470

Porterville, CA

#16 Jul 6, 2012
I will never understand people who are so quick to say horrible things about a victim that was loved and had a family and friends. I have said this so many times recently but I will again here: CHarlie simply was not the mentally unstable Veteran suffering from suicidal depression as the media like to report. He was a person with a complex background who did his very best to rise above adversity and circumstance and in doing so, he inspired those around him. Just like every person reading, he had issues and problems but just like every one, those issues and problems were not what defined Charlie.
Just know that he meant so much to so many people, and that loss is so painful for us that it is almost impossible to bare, and if it were not for the wonderful memories of him, it would be. So "Truth", you ought to feel ashamed of yourself for saying such terrible things about Charlie and about his LOVING FAMILY AND FRIENDS. Shame on you for picking a fight with his poor Niece. She will, just like me and his other friends and family, will defend his WELL EARNED HONOR until the end of time.
Go spew your vulgar trash elsewhere.
AshBash

Fresno, CA

#17 Jul 7, 2012
Honestly, the problem here is that some how he fell through the cracks. Maybe his family was paying attention to him and maybe he was well loved, but the average person isn't trained in recognizing mental health problems. You may love a person and spend every day with them and not know what is going on inside their head. I know.

I suffer from severe clinical depression and although at times it's obvious, more often than not I seem fine. My parents will tell you that I am a happy and loving person. I'm caring and inspirational to my younger family members. I'm all that and more.

My fiance will tell you that on some days I cry alone and will not answer calls. I have cuts and bruises that I have inflicted upon myself in areas that the general public can't see. And until he talked me into going to therapy I too was planning a suicide mission.(Not by police force, but by drug over dose.) I was lucky to have someone see what was really going on behind the happy, loving, caring side of me. There is a secret to everyone. Suffering from PTSD is something that only someone who is around you 24/7 can really know the effects of. It's something that is treatable, but often times feels like a hopeless endeavor. It is unfortunate that he left this world in such a way. I would hope that incidents like this would teach people that you can never know what state someone is in truly. You can never know what is going on in someone's head and their heart. Always make sure that those you love have someone to reach out to, and that mental health is something we need to put more focus on. For everyone, but especially those who have served our country and been exposed to things that we as citizens cannot understand the burden of.

God Bless this man and all of our veterans. May they be given the help and kindness they need and deserve.
starsex97470

Porterville, CA

#18 Jul 7, 2012
AshBash,

Your story is moving, thank you for having the courage to speak out. I commend you for it.

Please know that Charlie never fell through the cracks. As you know, coping with issues of a highly personal matter are not resolved with a "one-stop" fix. They are lifelong challenges that have high points and low points. As proud as he is (yes, IS :)), he was also humble enough to admit emotions to those close to him.

Please, do not imply (or blatantly state) that the family and friends of Charlie were too unaware or unable to see and cope with our loved one and his struggles. It is just not true. You do not know what he felt that day - or any other day for that matter. Charlie knew who he could look to for support, because he was always welcomed with arms wide by any one of us. What happened that day was a horrific sequence of terrible events that can't be justified or explained because some people who have a remedial grasp of psychology label Charlie as a traumatized Veteran. I'm sorry, but that dog just won't hunt! He was very sharp, in-touch and perceptive to the end.

Good luck in your journey to peace.
Starstruck

Selma, CA

#19 Jul 8, 2012
I heard someone has a video of what actually happened and the cops were in the wrong. Smh
Starsex97470

Porterville, CA

#20 Jul 11, 2012
@Starstruck - What did you hear? Can you email me at starsex97470@yahoo.com
Americlap Muh Freedoms

Lindsay, CA

#21 Oct 4, 2012
Damn druggies get out muh town. where is Joe Arpaio when you need him?

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