Cops kill teen who pulls toy gun

Cops kill teen who pulls toy gun

There are 123 comments on the Macomb Daily story from Oct 13, 2006, titled Cops kill teen who pulls toy gun. In it, Macomb Daily reports that:

Sterling Heights police continue to investigate the death of a 15-year-old runaway from Massachusetts who was shot and killed by police when he pulled out what appeared to be a semi-automatic handgun.

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Thomas c

AOL

#1 Oct 17, 2006
First i would like to say after reading all deaths by police i think some one should look into the mi police beuro.it seems as though these guys are being judge jury and exacutioner!What happened to innocent until proven guilty?I think the police are commiting murder as they see fit and flashing a badge to any one who ask why. William smith WAS a good teenage boy who was going through a rough time after loosing his father,the police and the media made him out to be a punk and this is not true infact im sure all of us have been pulled over or gotten in a fight or have been involved with police before does that mean we should all be 13 times if we try to run or argue with an officer becouse he thinks he knows us i think not,i think mi,is suffering from homicidle police officers and im glad i do not live there.folks be carefull not only are you trying to prtect your selfs from real crimminals but now you have to watch out for the police too. o and about the gun the uncle of william smith has bebe guns in the house yet none where missing tell where did a boy in a stolen car that never left the lane get a toy gun when there is no stores in the area to get one!Why didnt he just take a bebe gun from the home?it would have been much easier for a 15 year old to do no? yea thats what i thought face it the police over reacted and they had no choice but to say what ever they could to get away with it.And they did.All i know is if you see flashing lights pull over and put your hands out the window, or else you may have a toy gun too!
Nancy

United States

#2 Oct 18, 2006
Thomas c wrote:
First i would like to say after reading all deaths by police i think some one should look into the mi police beuro.it seems as though these guys are being judge jury and exacutioner!What happened to innocent until proven guilty?I think the police are commiting murder as they see fit and flashing a badge to any one who ask why. William smith WAS a good teenage boy who was going through a rough time after loosing his father,the police and the media made him out to be a punk and this is not true infact im sure all of us have been pulled over or gotten in a fight or have been involved with police before does that mean we should all be 13 times if we try to run or argue with an officer becouse he thinks he knows us i think not,i think mi,is suffering from homicidle police officers and im glad i do not live there.folks be carefull not only are you trying to prtect your selfs from real crimminals but now you have to watch out for the police too. o and about the gun the uncle of william smith has bebe guns in the house yet none where missing tell where did a boy in a stolen car that never left the lane get a toy gun when there is no stores in the area to get one!Why didnt he just take a bebe gun from the home?it would have been much easier for a 15 year old to do no? yea thats what i thought face it the police over reacted and they had no choice but to say what ever they could to get away with it.And they did.All i know is if you see flashing lights pull over and put your hands out the window, or else you may have a toy gun too!
No matter how GOOD of a boy you are, you pull a gun, real or plastic, how were they to know? You pull a gun on a cop, and he's gonna pull his gun on you, and you can pretty much bet his gun will be real, with real bullets. No matter what he was going thru, you don't pull a gun on a cop, that's the worst thing you can do, and this is the tragic result.
Friend from MA

Waterbury, VT

#3 Oct 18, 2006
Billy was no "good kid", he was constantly in trouble both here and in MI.
How would you feel if after chasing him, and the cops seeing him with a weapon, they waited for him to shoot. A stray bullet cuts through your house, and killes you or someone you love.
I'm pretty sure you would then consider that the shoot first look for plastic later scenario is the best.
I'f you consider a 15 year old with a police record in 2 states a good boy, I really hope you do not have any kids.
As far as I'm concerned, he got what he deserved.
If you are stupid enough to point a gun, toy or not, at a cop, you deserve to be shot.
steph

Eastpointe, MI

#4 Oct 19, 2006
Thomas c wrote:
First i would like to say after reading all deaths by police i think some one should look into the mi police beuro.it seems as though these guys are being judge jury and exacutioner!What happened to innocent until proven guilty?I think the police are commiting murder as they see fit and flashing a badge to any one who ask why. William smith WAS a good teenage boy who was going through a rough time after loosing his father,the police and the media made him out to be a punk and this is not true infact im sure all of us have been pulled over or gotten in a fight or have been involved with police before does that mean we should all be 13 times if we try to run or argue with an officer becouse he thinks he knows us i think not,i think mi,is suffering from homicidle police officers and im glad i do not live there.folks be carefull not only are you trying to prtect your selfs from real crimminals but now you have to watch out for the police too. o and about the gun the uncle of william smith has bebe guns in the house yet none where missing tell where did a boy in a stolen car that never left the lane get a toy gun when there is no stores in the area to get one!Why didnt he just take a bebe gun from the home?it would have been much easier for a 15 year old to do no? yea thats what i thought face it the police over reacted and they had no choice but to say what ever they could to get away with it.And they did.All i know is if you see flashing lights pull over and put your hands out the window, or else you may have a toy gun too!
The difference here though is that this kid did not just get pulled over or get into a fight. He stole a car & with no consideration for anyone elses lives, led the police on a chase after recklessly driving thru a neighborhood. Thats quite a big difference if you ask most people. Correct me if Im wrong, but if your carrying a fake gun your obviously out looking for trouble. People just dont carry toy guns around when they are out trying to be law abiding citizens, now do they? I can understand if the boy had problems after his father dying, but people choose their own paths in life. You cant go blaming your actions on everything that goes wrong in your life. Im just glad that no innocent people were hurt.
Mike

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Oct 21, 2006
Bravo to the police force for taking out this degenerate waste of a human!
Dani

AOL

#6 Oct 22, 2006
yea ok billy wasnt the best child to have or even baby sit cause i was there a couple time when my younger sister did baby sit him but there is no reason any one should take anothers life cops these days think they r god and dont protect and serve like their modo sayes they do yes billy did have some issues but his mother sent him to michigan to better him not to get her son back in a body bag never able to tell him she loves him or see him do better for himself well i REALLY hope billys mother seeks out justice and those cops get what they really deserve
unknown

Mansfield, MA

#7 Oct 24, 2006
Mike wrote:
Bravo to the police force for taking out this degenerate waste of a human!
I don't care how bad this child may have been, what he did, or who he did it to. It is completely uncalled for to say "thank you" in this situation. A child died, and by my count, by too many bullets for what was going on. There are always two sides to every story, and no matter the situation, whether he actually pulled a toy gun or not, can you honestly say that he deserved to be shot 13 times (or whatever the count is up to now) when he could've just as easily been disarmed with one shot to the hand that held this supposed gun. If they consider themselves marksman and uphold the law, then he could've been injured, even severly, but walked away from this with severe punishment instead of losing his life completely. It amazes me to this day, and I am suprised I can even leave my house with my two children, living in the world we do. But there are so many more "waste of human life"'s out there doing much worse than what this troubled teen was doing. There is no excuse for what makes people do the bad things they do, but to lose such a young life.....your words were way to harsh.
Nancy

United States

#8 Oct 24, 2006
Dani wrote:
yea ok billy wasnt the best child to have or even baby sit cause i was there a couple time when my younger sister did baby sit him but there is no reason any one should take anothers life cops these days think they r god and dont protect and serve like their modo sayes they do yes billy did have some issues but his mother sent him to michigan to better him not to get her son back in a body bag never able to tell him she loves him or see him do better for himself well i REALLY hope billys mother seeks out justice and those cops get what they really deserve
A little off subject, but you, as others I see on threads such as these, do not even know how to write a sentence. Young people today can't spell, can't use punctuation, use U instead of YOU, etc. I read some messages here and can see what the youth of today has learned in school, nothing. I don't know how old you are, you may even be an adult, which would be worse. Basic spelling and writing skills show on job applications, and/or in your work. If I saw writing such as this on a job application, I would think twice about hiring such a person. The teens and young adults of today are not learning basic skills, and I don't blame the schools, I blame the tv shows, the lack of parental supervision, the "don't care" attitudes. Just my opinion, but I've been seeing a lot of this. This is even better than others I have read on Topix. Some take a few minutes to understand what the person is even trying to say
A Loving Mother

Fall River, MA

#10 Oct 25, 2006
Mike wrote:
Bravo to the police force for taking out this degenerate waste of a human!
I don't know who you are care to! It seems that you are the waste of life! Billy is my 15 Year old Boy, He doesn't have a criminal record and Ignorant people like yourself need to keep your comments to yourself! How would you like it if it were your son or daughter! There are two sides to every story and it seems that Billy's will never be told! Taking a car isn't right, but no one deserves to be shot to death! Teenangers are hard to deal with, but who has the right to judge one due to what the press prints? Hopefully some truth will be set on this whole tragic situation! And hopefully you never reproduced, what a unsympathetic ignorant waste of human life I'm sure many people think Yopu are!
A Loving Mother

Fall River, MA

#11 Oct 25, 2006
Friend from MA wrote:
Billy was no "good kid", he was constantly in trouble both here and in MI.
How would you feel if after chasing him, and the cops seeing him with a weapon, they waited for him to shoot. A stray bullet cuts through your house, and killes you or someone you love.
I'm pretty sure you would then consider that the shoot first look for plastic later scenario is the best.
I'f you consider a 15 year old with a police record in 2 states a good boy, I really hope you do not have any kids.
As far as I'm concerned, he got what he deserved.
If you are stupid enough to point a gun, toy or not, at a cop, you deserve to be shot.
You are a cold hearted person, I hope you have no children! He doesn't have a police record in 2 states, horrible things have been said about Billy, One day you'll Kick yourself and feel bad that you have said these horrible things, when you and the rest of the cold hearted people that jump to your own conclusion after reading very fictious bull crap that people put in the papers!!
From Another Loving Mom

Sterling Heights, MI

#12 Oct 26, 2006
A Loving Mother wrote:
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You are a cold hearted person, I hope you have no children! He doesn't have a police record in 2 states, horrible things have been said about Billy, One day you'll Kick yourself and feel bad that you have said these horrible things, when you and the rest of the cold hearted people that jump to your own conclusion after reading very fictious bull crap that people put in the papers!!
I am sorry you lost your son. It's tragic for any parent to loose a child. Looking at this from the prospective of a Police Officer's mother, They put their lives on the line each and everyday that they work and unfortunately today, more times than none, the gun isn't a toy, it's real! If your son was on the other side of that gun, not knowing it was a toy, would you want him to pull the trigger or be shot.This is not an easy situation. It's too bad kids these days do not respect the authority of their parents or any other official or person of authority. Again, sorry for your loss.
A Loving Mother

Fall River, MA

#13 Oct 28, 2006
unknown wrote:
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I don't care how bad this child may have been, what he did, or who he did it to. It is completely uncalled for to say "thank you" in this situation. A child died, and by my count, by too many bullets for what was going on. There are always two sides to every story, and no matter the situation, whether he actually pulled a toy gun or not, can you honestly say that he deserved to be shot 13 times (or whatever the count is up to now) when he could've just as easily been disarmed with one shot to the hand that held this supposed gun. If they consider themselves marksman and uphold the law, then he could've been injured, even severly, but walked away from this with severe punishment instead of losing his life completely. It amazes me to this day, and I am suprised I can even leave my house with my two children, living in the world we do. But there are so many more "waste of human life"'s out there doing much worse than what this troubled teen was doing. There is no excuse for what makes people do the bad things they do, but to lose such a young life.....your words were way to harsh.
I would like to say Thank You for having a heart, I can't see the reason behind any of this mess! It is a Tragic situation, and one day I will be able to shed some light on my sons side of the story! But the bottom line is there was no need for my son, or anyone to suffer such a horrible end to their life like Billy did!
Mike

Grand Rapids, MI

#14 Oct 29, 2006
A Loving Mother wrote:
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I would like to say Thank You for having a heart, I can't see the reason behind any of this mess! It is a Tragic situation, and one day I will be able to shed some light on my sons side of the story! But the bottom line is there was no need for my son, or anyone to suffer such a horrible end to their life like Billy did!
The reason is that he pulled a toy gun on the police, and they don't wait to check and make sure its real. Think before you type.
Nancy

United States

#15 Oct 30, 2006
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>The reason is that he pulled a toy gun on the police, and they don't wait to check and make sure its real. Think before you type.
That's right.....99% of the time, the gun is REAL....they are not going to stop and ask "IS THAT A REAL GUN?" They are trained to react, they were not just walking down the street, see some kids playing with toy guns, and then start shooting.....ANYONE who pulls a gun on a cop, first is an idiot, and secondly has to pay the concequences. BILLY was the only one that knew that gun was a toy, BILLY made the decision to point it, he could have left it in the car, and came out with his hands up. He made a bad choice and it cost him his life
Tyler Cook

Quincy, MA

#16 Nov 6, 2006
billy was a good kid and that was a fucked up i know he wouldn't do anything when he has the police pointing a gun at him
Nancy

United States

#17 Nov 6, 2006
Tyler Cook wrote:
billy was a good kid and that was a fucked up i know he wouldn't do anything when he has the police pointing a gun at him
If he didn't have a gun, they wouldn't have pulled THEIR guns
AMM

Sterling Heights, MI

#18 Nov 8, 2006
Tyler Cook wrote:
billy was a good kid and that was a fucked up i know he wouldn't do anything when he has the police pointing a gun at him
How do you know what happened? Were you there? 99.9% of people would not pull a gun toy or not on the police. If you pull it, you want the person you're pointing it at to think's its real Tragic loss of a teen, but justified shooting.
Not Buying Into The Crap

El Dorado Hills, CA

#19 Nov 8, 2006
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>The reason is that he pulled a toy gun on the police, and they don't wait to check and make sure its real. Think before you type.
And of course because the police said that's what happened...it MUST be true. Because everything we see and hear on the news, T.V. or in the paper is 100% fact, or it wouldn't be there right? And the police are infallible, and incapable or error, and wouldn't lie or bend the truth to cover their own asses right?

You're just one of the mindless masses of sheep, grazing stupidly on whatever crap you're fed.

Eat up tool.
Nancy wrote:
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If he didn't have a gun, they wouldn't have pulled THEIR guns
That's completely false. They approached the vehicle, with their guns drawn (which is by no means an uncommon occurance)...but that's not what's in contention. It's what happened after that, that is.
AMM wrote:
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How do you know what happened? Were you there? 99.9% of people would not pull a gun toy or not on the police. If you pull it, you want the person you're pointing it at to think's its real Tragic loss of a teen, but justified shooting.
I would suggest that you read your first two sentences...in the hopes you might be enlightened about the conclusions in your last.
AMM

Sterling Heights, MI

#20 Nov 9, 2006
Not Buying Into The Crap wrote:
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And of course because the police said that's what happened...it MUST be true. Because everything we see and hear on the news, T.V. or in the paper is 100% fact, or it wouldn't be there right? And the police are infallible, and incapable or error, and wouldn't lie or bend the truth to cover their own asses right?
You're just one of the mindless masses of sheep, grazing stupidly on whatever crap you're fed.
Eat up tool.
<quoted text>
That's completely false. They approached the vehicle, with their guns drawn (which is by no means an uncommon occurance)...but that's not what's in contention. It's what happened after that, that is.
<quoted text>
I would suggest that you read your first two sentences...in the hopes you might be enlightened about the conclusions in your last.
I read my first two sentences, I wrote them. DUH!!! I don't know about you, but I've been pulled over before by the cops and have never been shot. Maybe that's because I didn't have a gun pointed at them. Why do people like you always assume the cops are the bad guys? They take an oath to protect and serve and I believe most do what they promise.
Overseas Sees Clearly

Denmark

#21 Nov 15, 2006
[quote]I read my first two sentences, I wrote them. DUH!!! I don't know about you, but I've been pulled over before by the cops and have never been shot.[/quote]
I've never been shot by the police either...but I've been pulled over and had guns pointed at me by officers while living in the U.S. On more than a half dozen occasions, most occurring before I was 18. There were no arrests or tickets issued during these stops.

I'm white, and I have NO criminal record. My crime? I just happened to live in a poor neighborhood.

[quote]Why do people like you always assume the cops are the bad guys? They take an oath to protect and serve and I believe most do what they promise.[/quote]

Better question: Why do "you people" always assume they're innocent?

I'm not assuming the cops are at fault in EVERY case. I'm not accusing ALL cops of being adrenaline charged, trigger happy, control freaks. Just those involved in this particular case.

I also used believe that MOST cops aren't bad cops. I was brought up to trust officers...that they were there if I ever needed help. And even after numerous encounters with overzealous cops, bully cops, rookies trying to make a name for themselves, etc...etc...etc. I was still inclined to believe just that: they're there to help.

Not any more. Now I look at all of THEM the same way THEY look at the rest of us not in uniform. With distrust, cynicism and skepticism....like criminals until they prove otherwise. If they're allowed to have that outlook towards the general public, why should we not be allowed to view them likewise?

And quite frankly, to deny that there are NO bad cops is naive at best, and outright dangerous at worst.

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