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Old Guy

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May 26, 2013
 
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Sorry, but studies already show that class size is irrelevant to student accomplishment.
"Research, for the most part, tends to support the belief in the benefits of small classes. While not all studies on the subject have shown that students learn more in smaller settings—and some are still ongoing—most have linked smaller classes to improvements in achievement.

The biggest and most credible of those studies, Tennessee’s statewide Student/Teacher Achievement Ratio, or STAR, project, begun in the late 1970s, found that the learning gains students made in classes of 13 to 17 students persisted long after the students moved back into average-size classes (HEROS, 2011). What’s more, the Tennessee researchers found, poor and African-American students appeared to reap the greatest learning gains in smaller classes. After kindergarten, the gains black students made in smaller classes were typically twice as large as those for whites. Follow-up studies through the years have found the students who had been in small classes in their early years had better academic and personal outcomes throughout their school years and beyond (Krueger, 2001; Sparks, 2011).

Likewise, a 2001 evaluation of the Student Achievement Guarantee in Education, or SAGE, class size reduction program by researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee found that a five-year-old program of class-size reduction in Wisconsin resulted in higher achievement for children living in poverty. Research from Columbia University Teachers College in New York showed the context of class-size reduction can affect its success in improving student achievement (Ready, 2008). Similarly, Charles M. Achilles, one of the original principal researchers on the STAR study, has said researchers and policymakers will have difficulty replicating the improvements seen in the STAR study without including key elements of that program, such as early intervention and small class sizes of three years or more (Achilles, 2008).

http://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/class-size/
Old Guy

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May 26, 2013
 
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I don't think the public should be funding any school including public schools. You want kids? Then you feed them, you clothe them, you watch them, you educate them.
Do you support eliminating deductions for children from our tax code? Most conservatives seem to like those deductions, even though they are quite willing to slash funding to public schools.
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Do you support eliminating deductions for children from our tax code? Most conservatives seem to like those deductions, even though they are quite willing to slash funding to public schools.
Yes, I have no problem getting rid of write-offs for kids. Perhaps it was a good idea when families were one income. Today it's not really needed for two income families.

I think I would keep them for people who send their children to private school and those who provide schooling at home. My sister paid a lot of property tax where she lives which most went to support the public schools, and then had to take loans to send her kids to private school. So those folks could use any help they get.

But I think that if everybody has to support the public school system, at the very least, parents should provide much more funding than those of us with no kids in school. When the schools get a bug up their azz, they put out levies to rebuild new schools, give teachers raises, buy news busses or whatever. Of course those of us with no kids in the system vote no while parents vote yes. The yes's usually win. In that sense, what they are really voting for is to take money out of my wallet to give to their children. I see nothing fair about that system. Especially when you consider I may be paying more for that school than the parents that vote for the bill because I have a larger property, and therefor pay higher taxes anyway.
LorenEberly

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May 26, 2013
 
Veterans:
The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; insist on electing and reelecting Obnoxious President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.
That defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
Demanding every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every veteran, worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.
This enables every veteran, worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And enables every parent and veteran to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And holds Veterans, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.
To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.
Pay income tax, Social Security, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.
Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation.
Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.
This Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Veterans, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years.
Old Guy

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May 26, 2013
 
xxxrayted wrote:
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Yes, I have no problem getting rid of write-offs for kids.
Wow, I'm impressed. That shows that you are being logically consistent, and not just acting from naked self interest.
xxxrayted wrote:
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I think I would keep them for people who send their children to private school and those who provide schooling at home.
Ah, that's more the response I was expecting from you! So, you like the income tax deductions for kids, but only for folks like you?
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I think I would keep them for people who send their children to private school and those who provide schooling at home. My sister paid a lot of property tax where she lives which most went to support the public schools, and then had to take loans to send her kids to private school.
Of course, there are no child deductions for property taxes, only for income taxes.
xxxrayted

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As I pointed out, I don't think schooling is the responsibility of anybody else but the parents. But since it is, that's why I could see a write-off. In my sisters case, she was paying heavily to have other people's children educated through property tax, and she was paying out the nose to have her kids educated. She and her husband took on the responsibility to educate their own children. Why shouldn't she get a tax break?

The same holds true for home school parents. They take on the responsibility of educating their own children while paying good money to educate the children of others. The only way to accomplish that is to sacrifice a full time income.

I have a friend who went that route. He wanted to raise his family of five. His wife was a certified respiratory therapist. But they elected for her to give up her career to home school. He has two jobs: one with the company I work for, and another with the county. He's been working seven days a week for the last 22 years non-stop.

Sure people like that should get a tax break. At the national average cost of $12,000 per year per pupil in public school, think of the money they save the city, county and state every year.
Old Guy

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Xxxrayted, you seem to be in a difficult spot. You want to justify the deductions for children on federal income taxes, but the only way you can do it is by trying to shift the argument to local property taxes (which don't have tax deductions for children.)

But, if you rather talk about property taxes, how do you feel about churches being exempt from them? Many churches own large tracts of land, but pay no property taxes (even though they use the services those taxes support.)

Just as you complain about paying property taxes for schools that you don't use, why should people that do not attend church be forced to subsidize those that do through tax exemptions for church property?
xxxrayted

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Old Guy wrote:
Xxxrayted, you seem to be in a difficult spot. You want to justify the deductions for children on federal income taxes, but the only way you can do it is by trying to shift the argument to local property taxes (which don't have tax deductions for children.)
But, if you rather talk about property taxes, how do you feel about churches being exempt from them? Many churches own large tracts of land, but pay no property taxes (even though they use the services those taxes support.)
Just as you complain about paying property taxes for schools that you don't use, why should people that do not attend church be forced to subsidize those that do through tax exemptions for church property?
I'm not crazy about churches paying no taxes. But on the other hand, what could happen if they were not exempt from taxes?

That would allow the church to preach about anything they desire. Religion is still influential with a lot of people. They could be telling their parishioners that the Democrats party is the party of demons since they promote the murder of babies and strive to take God out of society outside of church and home. They may target Republicans who don't believe in government helping out the poor, or that Republicans are evil because they support wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who knows?

Whatever political agenda the church decides on could mean serious problems for politicians and/or parties. Of course anybody taking away such tax exemptions would be looked at as attacking religion, so you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Old Guy

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I'm not crazy about churches paying no taxes. But on the other hand, what could happen if they were not exempt from taxes?
That would allow the church to preach about anything they desire.
Oh, you mean that the churches would then actively promote political candidates, and instruct their faithful to vote for them?

"The meeting offered no public discussion of an April sermon by Illinois Bishop Daniel Jenky...

After asserting that Obama, "with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda" seemed to be on an anti-Catholic path similar to Hitler and Stalin, Jenky exhorted all Catholics to "vote their Catholic consciences" this fall."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/21/us-...
xxxrayted

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May 27, 2013
 

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Oh, you mean that the churches would then actively promote political candidates, and instruct their faithful to vote for them?
"The meeting offered no public discussion of an April sermon by Illinois Bishop Daniel Jenky...
After asserting that Obama, "with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda" seemed to be on an anti-Catholic path similar to Hitler and Stalin, Jenky exhorted all Catholics to "vote their Catholic consciences" this fall."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/21/us-...
That's exactly what I mean, except picture that tenfold.

In my opinion, once you start with the politics stuff, you get your tax exemption pulled no questions asked.
Old Guy

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May 27, 2013
 
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In my opinion, once you start with the politics stuff, you get your tax exemption pulled no questions asked.
It's nice to know that we can agree about some things!
Tazzie

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#18840
May 27, 2013
 
They need someone from a place like Greenfield to run
Because none of the idiots that are putting up have nothing in coman with small town rural Ohio and who ever makes it wont make any difference to my life
They spat us out and sold us out years ago
I cant even make ends meet despite having two jobs
And i live in the richest country in the world something wrong ?
LorenEberly

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May 27, 2013
 
Fathers With White Skin Disqualified For Affirmative Action:

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; insist on electing Obnoxious President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members with socialist, racist principles and values.

That supports defying USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And holds Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen; Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay income, social security and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

This Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years.
xxxrayted

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Tazzie wrote:
They need someone from a place like Greenfield to run
Because none of the idiots that are putting up have nothing in coman with small town rural Ohio and who ever makes it wont make any difference to my life
They spat us out and sold us out years ago
I cant even make ends meet despite having two jobs
And i live in the richest country in the world something wrong ?
Something did go wrong. You made a lot of bad decisions in your life.
meme

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May 27, 2013
 
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Pops

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May 27, 2013
 
xxxrayted wrote:
As I pointed out, I don't think schooling is the responsibility of anybody else but the parents. But since it is, that's why I could see a write-off. In my sisters case, she was paying heavily to have other people's children educated through property tax, and she was paying out the nose to have her kids educated. She and her husband took on the responsibility to educate their own children. Why shouldn't she get a tax break?
The same holds true for home school parents. They take on the responsibility of educating their own children while paying good money to educate the children of others. The only way to accomplish that is to sacrifice a full time income.

Sure people like that should get a tax break. At the national average cost of $12,000 per year per pupil in public school, think of the money they save the city, county and state every year.
Generally I agree. Here's my 'but'... It is in the interest of ALL of us to see that ALL kids get educated. Otherwise WE would have more criminals since a lack of education would likely create more thieves, burglars, muggers, dope dealers, etc. That is sad to say but seems to make a sensible theory.
I didn't like paying school taxes for 15 yrs B4 I had children & I will always be paying school taxes forever as will my now adult kids.
That is why I strongly believe in school vouchers. The taxes are to pay for an education. IF your kids are NOT in public schools, they should NOT get the tax dollars. At very least not ALL of the tax revenue.
Oak Hills H.S. is losing students because certain special needs students were to be sent out of his district & he publically whined about 'his' school losing tax dollars. What a putz!! The funds are for the students. IF the school loses X students, the tax funds should follow the students. DUH!
So accordingly, non-public students should be followed by a proportion amount of tax dollars. That's my thinking.
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May 27, 2013
 
I support michael jackson all the way 100%
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May 27, 2013
 
1st off you people are stupid. The post says.*** WHO DO YOU SUPPORT FOR GOVERNOR IN OHIO IN 2010. """2010 has passed you stupid people"""
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1st off you people are stupid. The post says.*** WHO DO YOU SUPPORT FOR GOVERNOR IN OHIO IN 2010. """2010 has passed you stupid people"""
The only stupid people on Topix are those who go to sites to tell others their delight and discussion upset them somehow. Retarded people are those who don't possess the intelligence to ignore subjects that bother them.
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May 27, 2013
 
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Generally I agree. Here's my 'but'... It is in the interest of ALL of us to see that ALL kids get educated. Otherwise WE would have more criminals since a lack of education would likely create more thieves, burglars, muggers, dope dealers, etc. That is sad to say but seems to make a sensible theory.
I didn't like paying school taxes for 15 yrs B4 I had children & I will always be paying school taxes forever as will my now adult kids.
That is why I strongly believe in school vouchers. The taxes are to pay for an education. IF your kids are NOT in public schools, they should NOT get the tax dollars. At very least not ALL of the tax revenue.
Oak Hills H.S. is losing students because certain special needs students were to be sent out of his district & he publically whined about 'his' school losing tax dollars. What a putz!! The funds are for the students. IF the school loses X students, the tax funds should follow the students. DUH!
So accordingly, non-public students should be followed by a proportion amount of tax dollars. That's my thinking.
My thinking is that not all citizens should be taxed equally to support public schools. People who are using those schools should be taxed at a minimum of 50% more than those who do not use the schools. That might make them think twice before passing any new school levies instead of the way it is now.

Sure, we are all better off as a society with educated kids, but we would also be better off as a society to have families with cars. After all, if you don't have a vehicle, how would you get to work, to go to grocery stores, to get to an emergency room if needed? So maybe we should tax the citizens so all have automobiles. But in most states, you can't have a car without insurance, can you? I guess we could tax people for that too. What do these people do with no communications in the event of an emergency? Why...... we have to give them cell phones. How would these people find a job??? So now our cell phone bills are increase to pay for 250 anytime minutes per phone so these people could.......... find a job. Because society would be better off if more people were working.

When you promote irresponsibility, don't be surprised when you create more irresponsible people. If you're having children you can't afford to feed, clothe or educate, then you are irresponsible for having children. And as long as we use these children as a Get Out Of Jail Free card, then we can use these children to provide just about anything to the leeches of these children on working people's dime.

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