Minimum wage raise could cost 500,000...

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#21 Feb 23, 2014
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
Minimum wage should be abolished!
Frankly, I am about done with the no or low skill Americas holding a sign looking for the News Media so they can whine to the America people about how they cannot support there 2 or 3 kids on $8.00 an hour. Let me see you (no or low skill America) decided not to finish high school, decided you needed no marketable skill and have children you could not afford and now you want to skill from me.
Dolander may have it right (in a very delusional way), we have more people going on the government dole, with the big trend now being “Disability”, not working, not contributing to America but taking. America has always been a VERY compassionate Country, maybe too compassionate. It’s just like the Fast food workers who I have seen protesting and whining about their wages. Wonder how close is the likes of McDonald’s and Taco Bell from replacing them with automation, much closer than most know. There is always that government dole which requires NO SKILL at ALL!
Overpriced labor in the US has nothing do with anything you just said, overpriced labor is competing against 27 dollar a day auto workers in Mexico and 9 dollar a day auto workers in China. Federal minimum wage laws are driving jobs overseas, why do you think that cardboard box you got fedex'd to your house has "made in china" written on it?
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#22 Feb 23, 2014
PRICE is what you must pay. So NO goods are ever "over-priced". Imported goods are simply under-tariffed!
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Overpriced labor in the US has nothing do with anything you just said, overpriced labor is competing against 27 dollar a day auto workers in Mexico and 9 dollar a day auto workers in China. Federal minimum wage laws are driving jobs overseas, why do you think that cardboard box you got fedex'd to your house has "made in china" written on it?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#23 Feb 23, 2014
noshellswill wrote:
PRICE is what you must pay. So NO goods are ever "over-priced". Imported goods are simply under-tariffed!
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My diesel '10 Jetta came with a direct 1,600.00 tax credit, it was made by 27 dollars a day Mexican autoworkers in Mexico.

Speaking of tariffs, if you raise tariffs on imports to make over priced us labor equal, you will have to raise the minimum wage to about 23.00 an hour. The reality is, the US worker is competing with the 27.00 a day Mexican auto worker and the 9 dollar a day Chinese auto worker...nature abhors a vacuum.
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#24 Feb 23, 2014
Failing to remove an oil filter means what?? I call bullshite. You have diminished metal skills for holding such positions and ought to have your drivers license removed.
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>If a motorist can't change their own tire or oil, then they most likely have diminished skills as a motorist and should have their licenses revoked pending the outcome of a DMV administrative hearing based on the results of a practical test.
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#25 Feb 23, 2014
No. No competition from excluded foreign manufactures no matter how cheap. Why would you ever say or think so? That's what rigidly enforced tariffs do! All domestic American spending is for American produced goods.( Tools and raw materials are of-course exempt -- this is classic Adam Smith "free" trade if you ever read-the-book). Parasite cosmopolitan globalist pure-play investors get fyucked ... hahhaha.

Stiff tariffs WILL produce a modest redistribution of (American produced) consumption as relative prices of available goods change. Consumerist fantasy gets suppressed. Does that bother you? Tuff tittyz ! Ya can't always get what you want !! Different stuff gets bought. Broadly speaking no big deal: American employment increases, American manufactures make more money, and American skills produce dammm near everything as we did in the 1930s --> 1960s except the gold-plate dilldoz that LIJ thinks are important.

AS for the "black market" loophole, that transit issue is just gunnery practice for the Air National & Coast-Guard! Comprende?? Laughing-off econ-101 fantasyland you will find my republican nationalist economics a hard nut-to-crack.
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>My diesel '10 Jetta came with a direct 1,600.00 tax credit, it was made by 27 dollars a day Mexican autoworkers in Mexico.
Speaking of tariffs, if you raise tariffs on imports to make over priced us labor equal, you will have to raise the minimum wage to about 23.00 an hour. The reality is, the US worker is competing with the 27.00 a day Mexican auto worker and the 9 dollar a day Chinese auto worker...nature abhors a vacuum.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#26 Feb 24, 2014
Tariffs on imports will only mean that people will have to make more money to afford more expensive goods, thus creating a need to RAISE minimum wage. The reality is, we're going to have to match labor costs or productivity costs with those who labor overseas.
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#27 Feb 24, 2014
No. Prices , wages and goods will adjust to the (new) tariff-defined market, whatever that market may be. Many American wages will go down, and many up as the balance of producd goods shifts from import to do-it-yourself manufacture. But, the net gain for American workers will be GREATER than the current balance-of-trade deficit.

So again ... no, America need not compete with Mexican wages. Obviously no.
Richard_ wrote:
Tariffs on imports will only mean that people will have to make more money to afford more expensive goods, thus creating a need to RAISE minimum wage. The reality is, we're going to have to match labor costs or productivity costs with those who labor overseas.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#28 Feb 24, 2014
The federal government cannot tax the American people into prosperity, tariffs on imported goods will only mean that people will have to make more money to afford those goods. Raise the minimum wage, increase tariffs on imports and watch as higher labor causes the US to become over priced labor in world where 9-27 dollar a day auto workers exist.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#29 Feb 24, 2014
Richard_ wrote:
The federal government cannot tax the American people into prosperity


But the crony capitalist government that we have can tax the American people to prosper themselves and their corporate counterparts, and they have..
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#30 Feb 24, 2014
American people WILL be making more money ... at a minimum an amount equal to the current trade deficit ...~$700-M/quarter ?? So yes, QAmerican workers will have more money to spend on their own manufactured products. Trade trade-deficit is already in-effect a TAX on American workers ... money they do not earn for foreign workers and investors do. It's simplr pad're --- take foreign-earned investment income from the fatkat$ parasites and redistribute it as wages to productive American workers. Perfectly fair!

Taxing parasite American investors seems very harmless ... and lots of fun! They will squeal like the greedy lil'-piggys they are. Squeal piggy squeal! Meanwhile newly fat American workers will be fyucking their trophy wives & daughters.

Richard_ wrote:
The federal government cannot tax the American people into prosperity, tariffs on imported goods will only mean that people will have to make more money to afford those goods. Raise the minimum wage, increase tariffs on imports and watch as higher labor causes the US to become over priced labor in world where 9-27 dollar a day auto workers exist.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#31 Feb 27, 2014
Some very interesting points have been made and some good debate.
Here are some questions to ponder:

Why doesn’t ever worker make only minimum wage, one would think that would be great for business?

How many of you posters currently make minimum wage?

How many of you posters have ever made minimum wage?(I made minimum wage for about 1 month when I was age 16)

Why do any of us still have jobs if illegals are more cost effective?
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#32 Feb 27, 2014
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
Some very interesting points have been made and some good debate.
Here are some questions to ponder:
Glad you approve of the debate Mr Logic.. But why should I answer any of your questions when you have dodged mine?..

Things have changed since you were making minimum wage several decades ago Mr Logic... You didn't have the competition or crony capitalism to compete against like the folks have today to get out of the hole , and neither did I... Things were much easier when the both of us started out in life..

Why dont you try to be honest , my friend? It will make you a better man...
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#33 Feb 27, 2014
Strange questions ... but, To briefly answer your questions:

1a) Some workers generate more complex/hard-to-replace value than others. TOOL-MAKER vs ASSEMBLER
1b) Some workers produce more desirable value than others: KRAK-DEALER vs 2nd GRADE TEACHER

Value (matrix) produced correlates to income received so incomes are naturally diverse.

2a) Some American produce higher-value goods/services than any other workers. They will always be employed. Some Americans get pimped-out by the Gub'mnt gunbarrel and thus retain jobs even with low-value production.

2b) Some ethnic classes **serve their own** and thus members of those classes retain jobs not otherwise available.
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
Some very interesting points have been made and some good debate.
Here are some questions to ponder:
Why doesn’t ever worker make only minimum wage, one would think that would be great for business?

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Why do any of us still have jobs if illegals are more cost effective?

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#34 Feb 27, 2014
King of wisdom wrote:
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Glad you approve of the debate Mr Logic.. But why should I answer any of your questions when you have dodged mine?..
Things have changed since you were making minimum wage several decades ago Mr Logic... You didn't have the competition or crony capitalism to compete against like the folks have today to get out of the hole , and neither did I... Things were much easier when the both of us started out in life..
Why dont you try to be honest , my friend? It will make you a better man...
Dolander, I must correct you my friend as I have not dodged questions. I thought long along after much spirited debate that we agreed to disagree on a great many things. AS for your “crony capitalism” agreement I refuse to accept the premise of the agreement. Government has always sided with the side to which it can, grainer the most control. Besides not sure when you start working however, for me in the earlier 80’s finding, getting and keeping a job is not much different than today other than the networking can reach further today than back then. Personally I find that in today’s world it is far easier to find job opportunities than it was 30 years ago and far easier to work remotely. That is just my opinion.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#35 Feb 27, 2014
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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Dolander, I must correct you my friend as I have not dodged questions. I thought long along after much spirited debate that we agreed to disagree on a great many things. AS for your “crony capitalism” agreement I refuse to accept the premise of the agreement. Government has always sided with the side to which it can, grainer the most control..
In todays world corporations dictated the terms as far as the government goes and it hasn't always been that way...

Franklin D. Roosevelt created social security without the help of corporations .. But yet it helped corporations economically as well as the individuals collecting it.. We are a socialist society Mr Logic.. You could not have the life that you have if we were not... And you sit back on you high horse letting crony capitalism destroy it...

You refuse to accept the premise of of crony capitalism because you know that I am right...
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#36 Feb 28, 2014
Ford Inc paid a living wage before the unions made them pay. Ford served his customers and his workers ... profit was a consequence not primary. Cosmopolitan investors did NOT like Mr. Ford ... comprende'?
King of wisdom wrote:
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In todays world corporations dictated the terms as far as the government goes and it hasn't always been that way...
Franklin D. Roosevelt created social security without the help of corporations .. But yet it helped corporations economically as well as the individuals collecting it.. We are a socialist society Mr Logic.. You could not have the life that you have if we were not... And you sit back on you high horse letting crony capitalism destroy it...
You refuse to accept the premise of of crony capitalism because you know that I am right...

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#37 Feb 28, 2014
King of wisdom wrote:
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In todays world corporations dictated the terms as far as the government goes and it hasn't always been that way...
Franklin D. Roosevelt created social security without the help of corporations .. But yet it helped corporations economically as well as the individuals collecting it.. We are a socialist society Mr Logic.. You could not have the life that you have if we were not... And you sit back on you high horse letting crony capitalism destroy it...
You refuse to accept the premise of of crony capitalism because you know that I am right...
Really, dolander not sure which world you live in, but corporations do not control the government, that is just freaking hilarious. Dolander can you please enlighten me on how social security helped corporations; I cannot wait to hear this explanation. Just remember dolander s social security was never meant as a person’s sole source of retirement it was sold to the voters as a supplement. I am still laughing about your social security statement however, I will keep an open mind until I read your response.
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#38 Mar 1, 2014
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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Dolander can you please enlighten me on how social security helped corporations; I cannot wait to hear this explanation.

Just remember dolander s social security was never meant as a person’s sole source of retirement it was sold to the voters as a supplement. I am still laughing about your social security statement however, I will keep an open mind until I read your response.
Its called trickle up economics... You should know that Mr Logic..

And many folks live a good life just off of SS and nothing more.. It depends on your lifestyle on how much money you need to have a happy life when you retire..

Some folks like my sister spends thousands of dollars a year to travel for fun, where I hate traveling and would rather sit in front of my tv drinking cheap beer watching Netflix for $8.50 a month, and kicking folks around in debate on my computer like I do with you and the school teacher...
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#39 Mar 1, 2014
noshellswill wrote:
Ford Inc paid a living wage before the unions made them pay.
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That was only one company with skilled workers..

You need to do better then that, school teacher....

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#40 Mar 3, 2014
King of wisdom wrote:
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Its called trickle up economics... You should know that Mr Logic..
And many folks live a good life just off of SS and nothing more.. It depends on your lifestyle on how much money you need to have a happy life when you retire..
Some folks like my sister spends thousands of dollars a year to travel for fun, where I hate traveling and would rather sit in front of my tv drinking cheap beer watching Netflix for $8.50 a month, and kicking folks around in debate on my computer like I do with you and the school teacher...
Dolander you did not answer the question, One more time, can you please enlighten me on how social security helped corporations; I cannot wait to hear this explanation.

By the way, if cheap beer and Netfix is what makes you happy then that is great, because far too many people spend their life looking for happiness, instead of just being happy. Great for you dolander.

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