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Larry

Hastings, FL

#1 Oct 16, 2007
How long are we going to allow our tax dollars to fund these criminals and their lifestyles?

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories...
Larry

Hastings, FL

#2 Dec 3, 2007
Armed gang carjacks 2 vehicles at Jacksonville apartments

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2007/12/0...
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#4 Dec 3, 2007
Well, how convenient. The Times Union canceled their comment forum.

I had this prepared for the that thread. The quoted statements are from the thread before it was taken down. Perhaps we can still have dialog about a serious subject on here.

I am a white middle-aged man. That said, this post is not directed towards the radical racists I see posting in here. I also lived within two blocks of Eureka Gardens for almost 5 years, and finally bailed out in 2006. One stolen car and two break-ins at my home was enough for me.

Eureka Gardens Apartments, built sometime back in the 1960s, has outlived its usefulness and yes, it need to be plowed under. Point and case: Blodget Homes. There is no physical way to make that complex secure short of putting up 10' electrified fences with barbed wire and posting armed guards at EACH entrance (there are MANY) into the complex to admit only the RESIDENTS of that complex.

We are led to believe that the RESIDENTS of this complex are doing the crime. That is not necessarily the case. It's the VISITORS that are generally causing the problems. Most of the people are there "visiting" the tenants, and most living there WITH another tenant. I do believe if that is the case, the RESIDENT is violating the lease and the RESIDENT needs to resolve the issue or get gone. Someone made the statement, "if you see a white boy in there he is just buying crack and probably getting robbed." It's a sad but true statement. It's a reality of life in that complex.
Eureka Gardens became, quite a long time ago, a VERY predominately black-occupied apartment complex. This complex is not city-owned, as was Blodget Homes. It is presently owned by a company called BMLRW, LLLP and is apparently leased to the City to in turn lease to those who qualify to live there. If this is not the set-up there, I am open to correction. I do know that it is NOT owned by the City.

The manager of that complex should ENSURE that only approved TENANTS of that complex are living there. In most instances, any one over the age of 18 years occupying the apartment must pass a background and/or credit check. I bet most of these "long term visitors" couldn't do that.
Is ANYONE with ANY kind of criminal background allowed to legally live there? I would sure hope not. Perhaps the tenants are running the complex and not the manager? Someone SOMEWHERE has to bring management into the picture before any changes can be made there.

Margaux, wake up dear. The same thing IS happening in your neighborhood. Mandarin is NOT immune to the same kind of crime.

"The real issue here is that there ARE witnesses, yet no one is willing to come forward. The big difference is that if this did happen in Mandarin, we wouldn’t be keeping our mouths shut……there is no “code of silence” here." That's right! My neighbors would be out enmass to help law enforcement if the same thing happened in MY neighborhood. The "no snitch" policy is alive and well in Eureka Gardens. Then we add into the equation that Eureka Gardens is predominately, if not TOTALLY, made up of black tenants. So what does one summize of the "no snitch" policy? It is a predominately, if not TOTALLY, a new black culture thing. That is not being racist. That is being realistic.

"The event takes place in a well known black neighborhood. The victims were visiting family, thus the implication they were black.

Do you wish us to then imply that the six armed men in that neighborhood at 10:30pm, which the residents did not want to identify and thus protect, were in fact Asian, American Indian or possibly all red-headed Irish men?"
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#5 Dec 3, 2007
continued:

These are cold hard FACTS, not racist statements. This scenario could be played out in many areas of town, including Denise Lee's famous District 8. Chances are HUGE that if a white person is driving the streets of that neighborhood at 2AM that this white person isn't there to admire the scenery. That isn't meant to be a racist statement either. Another sad but true FACT.

"WHY DO YOU ASSUME THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY…"

"IGNORANCE IS WHAT HURTS…YOU ATTACKED A WHOLE COMMNUNITY, A WHOLE RACE OF PEOPLE…"

I disagree with your position. It DID have something to do with a black community. Anyone who implies that I am attacking a whole race of people is totally wrong. We, as citizens of this city, have the RIGHT to attack ANY community who play this "no snitch" policy. Do these people WANT to let this kind of activity go on in their neighborhood? Who is responsible for the "management" of this apartment complex? The crime that used to be confined to the complex itself has now spread its fingers out into the adjoining neighborhood. I'm a victim of that.

"They either participate in the crimes or turn an eye away from it, the place needs to be shut down and cleaned out." I agree 110%. Condemn the place as a public nuisance, which it IS. Radical view, but ultimately the only thing that will work. Tear it down and build a SAFER, more SECURE community there. Please note that earlier I mentioned that it is privately owned. I don't mean to insinuate that GOVERNMENT should pay for it.
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#6 Dec 3, 2007
continued:

These are cold hard FACTS, not racist statements. This scenario could be played out in many areas of town, including Denise Lee's famous District 8. Chances are HUGE that if a white person is driving the streets of that neighborhood at 2AM that this white person isn't there to admire the scenery. That isn't meant to be a racist statement either. Another sad but true FACT.

"WHY DO YOU ASSUME THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY…"

"IGNORANCE IS WHAT HURTS…YOU ATTACKED A WHOLE COMMNUNITY, A WHOLE RACE OF PEOPLE…"

I disagree with your position. It DID have something to do with a black community. Anyone who implies that I am attacking a whole race of people is totally wrong. We, as citizens of this city, have the RIGHT to attack ANY community who play this "no snitch" policy. Do these people WANT to let this kind of activity go on in their neighborhood? Who is responsible for the "management" of this apartment complex? The crime that used to be confined to the complex itself has now spread its fingers out into the adjoining neighborhood. I'm a victim of that.

"They either participate in the crimes or turn an eye away from it, the place needs to be shut down and cleaned out." I agree 110%. Condemn the place as a public nuisance, which it IS. Radical view, but ultimately the only thing that will work. Tear it down and build a SAFER, more SECURE community there. Please note that earlier I mentioned that it is privately owned. I don't mean to insinuate that GOVERNMENT should pay for it.
Larry

Hastings, FL

#7 Dec 3, 2007
"Six men dressed in black and carrying rifles and handguns carjacked two vehicles from some visitors at Eureka Garden apartments."

This happened in broad daylight and it didn't even make the evening news. In fact, the FTU is the only news organization that has reported on this. That is very suspicious to me. Why are the other news orgs trying to cover this up?
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#8 Dec 3, 2007
They other news organizations haven't reported it YET. They may not. Curiously, it was the television news organizations that was covering the Denise Lee debacle and the Times Union barely even mentioned it. That is, barely even mentioned it with the exception of Tanyaa Weathersbee's "editorials."

I do find it odd that the Times Union suspended the comment forum. If this forum keeps active, many more people will get the news and many more people will voice their opinion. I think this is a very good thread to start.
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#9 Dec 3, 2007
Larry wrote:
"Six men dressed in black and carrying rifles and handguns carjacked two vehicles from some visitors at Eureka Garden apartments."
This happened in broad daylight and it didn't even make the evening news. In fact, the FTU is the only news organization that has reported on this. That is very suspicious to me. Why are the other news orgs trying to cover this up?
... from the article, "It happened about 10:30 p.m. at the Eureka Garden apartments at 1214 Labelle St." That is NOT broad daylight. Still not defending the fact that the television media has yet to report on it.
Larry

Hastings, FL

#10 Dec 3, 2007
The story was posted on the FTU site today at 10:29 am but the crime happened around 5 pm,[presumeably Sunday].

"The three victims, men ages 28 to 32, said they were visiting family at the Labelle Street complex and standing outside about 5 p.m. when the gunmen approached, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office report."
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#11 Dec 3, 2007
OK, we're BOTH right. Incident #1 happened on October 14th at 10:30 PM. Incident #2 happened at about 5:00 PM Sunday. Doesn't matter ... it goes on 24/7 in that complex.

Since: Jul 07

Jacksonville, FL

#12 Dec 3, 2007
This was sickening to read. What can police do? Nothing. "Stop snitching" is in full effect. It's too bad that the undercover cops didn't throw the car into reverse and run down that muthafucka. How many more innocent people have to get killed before the community stands up for itself?

“one foot over the line”

Since: Jul 07

cans a sh!tty m!ssery

#13 Dec 3, 2007
I live blocks from that toilet bowl of a housing complex..... Lived here for 2 years and have not had problems on my street.... we have guns if they get in and dogs to keep them out.... I find it funny how certain people have no fear of the law, guns, or dying, but have a one hundred pound dog in the yard and another in the house(knocks on wood) and you feel relatively safe...

I do find it funny(NOT STRANGE OR UNUSUAL) that I have not seen or heard about this anywhere else... I would bet that if you were to hear it anywhere it will be on WOKV...
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#14 Dec 3, 2007
So Cletus used to be my neighbor. More power to ya fella. I don't own a gun and can't afford to feed two 100-pound dogs.

I took my feeble bones and my 12 year old cat and headed for safer ground. Damn shame too, that area was really convenient to everything.
Richard

Brunswick, GA

#15 Dec 3, 2007
Does that complex have any sort of tenants association, or is that a stupid question? If so, what do they have to say about all the crime there. And I still think that ownership and management should step in and come public with some sort of plan to do SOMETHING with it. "Toilet bowl of a housing complex" was a very appropriate way to describe it.
Larry

Hastings, FL

#16 Dec 3, 2007
Richard wrote:
Does that complex have any sort of tenants association, or is that a stupid question? If so, what do they have to say about all the crime there. And I still think that ownership and management should step in and come public with some sort of plan to do SOMETHING with it. "Toilet bowl of a housing complex" was a very appropriate way to describe it.
http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/FL-Jacks...
Richard

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Dec 4, 2007
Larry wrote:
well now .... this speaks volumes. Management is as bad as the thugs and druggies that are causing all the problems.

Why is this allowed to go on? Where are the Eddie Farrah's of the world? Isn't this a classic case of "premises liability?" What security measures ARE in place there by management? Perhaps a gun is issued to each new tenant along with a "good luck!" as they move in?

Absentee owners and incompetent management. There is part of the problem right there.
Richard

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Dec 4, 2007
A sample of what the RESIDENTS of Eureka Gardens are saying about the place - "I lived there for three years and I feel sorry for the ones who have no choice but to stay there We would hear gun shots constantly my kids and I would have to hit the floor and get away from windows on several occasions the shooter would be right outside my window or in the back outside my kids windows thats when I knew it was time to go I told Harold Snow (the manager) who would be shooting and he would do nothing I told him about the drug dealers he would do nothing There are a lot of sorry women who live there and they let these hoodlums move in with them and Harold does nothing about it then there are other women who get away with anything because they are sleeping with Harold all of this may sound far fetched to anyone who has never lived in Eureka but move there and you will see it all Make matters worse when I complained to Harold about the hoodlums they tried to break in my house one night when they thought I was not home I moved less than a month later. Two of the three years I resided there my kids didnt go outside I have seen hoodlums outside shooting while kids were outside playing its just terrible I cant wait till Harolds day comes and he loses his job for doing nothing I dont even think he does background checks like he is supposed to because I have seen people on department of corrections and sexual predators website who live there and according to HUD that isnt supposed to be ....umm.so why isnt HUD doing anything' For those of you who still stay in Eureka start complaining to HUD on Harold when I lived there I did nothing happened..it takes more than one person"
Richard

Los Angeles, CA

#19 Dec 4, 2007
Hey, I got an idea. Denise Lee is soon going to be looking for a new job. Perhaps SHE should apply for the position of manager at Eureka Gardens!

Since: Jul 07

Jacksonville, FL

#20 Dec 4, 2007
Harold sounds like Denise Lee's son.
Richard

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Dec 4, 2007
Joe_ wrote:
Harold sounds like Denise Lee's son.
Another comment:

"The manager does NOTHING about complaints, and moves people in with FELONY records, which is a clear violation of HUD guidelines. He is the nephew of the regional director, which is how he got his job to begin with."

I would be a hoot if he WAS related to Denise Lee, but I'm afraid he was just schooled in the same classes as Denise Lee.

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