CVS PHARMACY treats employees like trash

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Summer

Lawrenceville, GA

#1 Jan 4, 2009
Cvs is a bad place to work for don't waste your time and look for another company. Pay nothing and ask a lot from you, you have no respect from your supervisor ,,,,The Pharmacist don't care about people and does nothing but change her mind about company regulations, employment treatment is bad, favoritism is bad in this company.

The pay was ok when I started, but a 21 cent raise after a year doesn't seem to go too far.
I had no respect there. My boss took things out on me and transfered me to the pharmacy when she got "fed up" with me. The pharmacy was worse, apparently there, "tech training" means having someone read all the manuals and then not teach anything.

The popular pharmacist there was full of herself, and made tons of mistakes. And don't take it out on the techs when you hand a bag to her and tell her to ring it up and then the customer comes back or calls and says it's the wrong person's medication. It's the pharmacist's job to check them, it's the tech's job to get them from the bins and ring them up. And as for the lead tech, your job is to TRAIN new techs so the old ones can move on and new people can be hired. People tend to lose patience when the trainer is a bad teacher and refuses to do her job. And when you wirte someone up for trying to sell needles when she has asked twice for you to help a customer who wants to purchase them and she has to go to where they are to look for them and then has to ask the pharmacist because you are ignoring her, you'd better pray that the employee doesn't come to the drive up window and ask for you just so she can spit on you. Also, it takes a really stupid person to call someone else stupid when she is standing right there. And it is really rude when the former employee who has transfered to another store comes in to that store, which is closer to home, to fill a prescription and is asked by the lead tech "Why don't you get prescriptions filled at your own store?" Former employee or not, anyone who comes into a store where they are not employed are customers, and deserve the same respect as customers who don't work for the company at all. If she thinks I am a jerk for reporting her, I only did it because she said that without thinking at all. My coworkers were idiots, world of warcraft weirdos, jerks, and psychos.
As for the environment, I would have to say it was boring, repetitive, cold, unhappy, and cruel. I couldn't afford to pay bills sometimes because my hours were constantly cut. I always got the night hours, which caused me to sleep until noon during the day and then have to go back for more torture. Luckily I got a transfer to a store where I get treated better by my boss and most of my coworkers.

Last and not least we never got to take our breaks and lunches !!!!

CVS is the worst place in the world to work.

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#2 Jan 4, 2009
It is easy to look around us in the world and see what is wrong with everyone else. It is much more difficult to see what is wrong with ourselves. Not having worked there, I can not judge if your complaints are valid. I can say that your work isn't there to entertain you or provide you comfort. It is a job. It isn't their fault you sleep til noon and can not pay your bills.

If you are having your hours cut back and are being transferred, they aren't pleased with you either. Decide what you would like to do for a living and then pay someone to train you for it. Then, if you aren't receiving the training you hoped for, you have some leverage to complain.

There are MANY worse places to work in the world. There are many people who would change places with you in a heart beat.
Permatemp

Attleboro, MA

#3 Jan 11, 2009
I've worked at CVS (corporate) for several years and agree that it is a very bad place to work. They hired me on a temp-to-perm basis.....almost four years ago.....and I am still working as a temp-to-perm worker. They give me no benefits, low pay and no respect. Many of their executives are arrogant and cocky and make jokes about how they screw us out of fair wages and benefits. They also avoid paying taxes to the IRS and states by misclassifying their workers. Its time somebody puts them in their place.

~(madashell) Permatemp

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#4 Jan 11, 2009
Permatemp wrote:
I've worked at CVS (corporate) for several years and agree that it is a very bad place to work. They hired me on a temp-to-perm basis.....almost four years ago.....and I am still working as a temp-to-perm worker. They give me no benefits, low pay and no respect. Many of their executives are arrogant and cocky and make jokes about how they screw us out of fair wages and benefits. They also avoid paying taxes to the IRS and states by misclassifying their workers. Its time somebody puts them in their place.
~(madashell) Permatemp
When the Clintons were in office many of the rules which affected employers changed . These changes provided a wide range of implications for the employer from the severe....higher monetary outlays.....to the mild....increased paperwork.

If you will look back in our economy beginning with the first few years they were in office, you will be able to pinpoint the time when employers replaced their full-time employees with part-timers and with temps who were actually employed by another agency.

We will see more of this shortly if, for example, the government begins to mandate all employers provide health insurance for employees. Each and every time there is a federal mandate which places more burden on an employer, especially in a harsh economy, there will be fewer and fewer well paying jobs available.

If you have been there for 4 years, enduring low pay and bad conditions, it is past time for you to move on to greener pastures. No one will give you respect. You will have to earn it. No one is screwing you out of anything. If you can not demand better treatment without losing your position, they may not be the real problem.
anonymous

Atlanta, GA

#5 Jan 11, 2009
Have you ever seen what customers do to their bathrooms?It a reflection of how our public treats them!
americant

Fayetteville, GA

#6 Jan 12, 2009
The main problem is America's low minimum wage of $6.55/hr. Not even a single person can live on that, especially factoring in health care, which most minimum wage jobs do not offer. In 2007, there were nearly 2 million Americans working hourly jobs that paid $6.55 or less. That is more than enough people to influence political campaigns, but there is too much apathy in America. Just imagine, if today those 2 million hourly low-paid workers all emailed or called their congress reps! Don't think for a minute the Wall Street firms or U.S. auto manufacturers don't call up Congress when they need mo' money! WE CAN TOO!
Americans, 2009 is time for a new revolution! WE NEED A BASIC INCOME AND BETTER HEALTH CARE!

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#7 Jan 12, 2009
americant wrote:
The main problem is America's low minimum wage of $6.55/hr. Not even a single person can live on that, especially factoring in health care, which most minimum wage jobs do not offer. In 2007, there were nearly 2 million Americans working hourly jobs that paid $6.55 or less. That is more than enough people to influence political campaigns, but there is too much apathy in America. Just imagine, if today those 2 million hourly low-paid workers all emailed or called their congress reps! Don't think for a minute the Wall Street firms or U.S. auto manufacturers don't call up Congress when they need mo' money! WE CAN TOO!
Americans, 2009 is time for a new revolution! WE NEED A BASIC INCOME AND BETTER HEALTH CARE!
If you are a low paid worker, you need to further your education and become qualified for a more valuable position. In the United States you are not guaranteed a job not a specific standard of living. You are, however, given opportunity to qualify YOURSELF for a job of your choosing. Revolutionize yourself in 2009!!
CHE GUEVARA

Fayetteville, GA

#8 Jan 12, 2009
The overall problem highlighted in the CVS employee's post is the ridiculously low minimum wage. Currently it is $6.55 per hour, and no one can live on that small amount, working 40 hours/week. Even worse are families where the parents only earn minimum wage and try to support kids. At the least, it should be at this date - January 11, 2009 - Ten dollars ($10) per hour. Obama says he wants it raised to $9.50/hr by 2011, even that would keep people trapped in poverty.
Compounding that problem of course is the 10 million illegal immigrants getting paid lower than minimum wage in an 'off the books' manner.
Compounding the problem even more is that amerikan companies are fastly shipping manufacturing jobs overseas or to Mexico, while congress gets paid off to ignore that problem. We shipped all our steel and aluminum production to India and China, no wonder Alabama and Pennsylvania small towns are mired in poverty, drugs and crime, where 50 years ago they were like Mayberry RFD! The south's textile industry is all going overseas to china, the american car makers are bankrupt, about the only thing we still produce in this sorry nation is fast food!
LASTLY, American corporate executives earn anywhere on average around 130 times the ordinary workers at their companies. Compare this to Japan's average executive pay, about 20 times their average employee annual salaries. No wonder amerika has irretrievably gone down the toilet. Let's all move to Europe, in Germany and France, 2 of the world's biggest economies, the hourly employees get a decent wage, enough to raise 2-3 kids and get good medical care, plus they get 4-6 weeks of vacation each year. That sort of non-greedy corporate management hasn't affected those countries negatively, in fact the crime rates and unemployment rates are low due to the overall benefit of having a society full of happily employed workers.
If we aren't goint to emigrate out of this cess pool of a nation, then lets START A REBELLION!
CHE GUEVARA

Fayetteville, GA

#9 Jan 12, 2009
Maria Antonia wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are a low paid worker, you need to further your education and become qualified for a more valuable position. In the United States you are not guaranteed a job not a specific standard of living. You are, however, given opportunity to qualify YOURSELF for a job of your choosing. Revolutionize yourself in 2009!!
You may be 'technically' correct, BUT how can people find time and money to go to college on $6.55 per hour?
Since President Johnson declared a war on poverty in the 1960s, there are still millions of Americans in poverty - so we lost that war.

In 1968, James Tobin, Paul Samuelson, John Kenneth Galbraith and another 1,200 economists signed a document calling for the US Congress to introduce in that year a system of income guarantees and supplements, a BASIC INCOME.

Winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics that fully support a BASIC INCOME include Herbert Simon, Friedrich Hayek, James Meade, Robert Solow, and Milton Friedman

In 2008, a pilot project with a BASIC INCOME grant was started in the Namibian village of Otjivero by the Namibian Basic Income Grant Coalition. After six months the project has been found to significantly reduce child malnutrition and increase school attendance. It was also found to increase the community's income significantly above the actual amount from the grants as it allowed citizens to partake in more productive economic activities.

SO...we need to institute a BASIC INCOME system in America, which would enable us to eliminate the inefficient and unsuccessful socialist programs like Social Security, Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Medicare. That in turn would enable amerika to balance the federal budget, assuming we can kick our addiction to going around the world starting wars.
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

“I am listening.......”

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#10 Jan 12, 2009
CHE GUEVARA wrote:
The overall problem highlighted in the CVS employee's post is the ridiculously low minimum wage. Currently it is $6.55 per hour, and no one can live on that small amount, working 40 hours/week. Even worse are families where the parents only earn minimum wage and try to support kids. At the least, it should be at this date - January 11, 2009 - Ten dollars ($10) per hour. Obama says he wants it raised to $9.50/hr by 2011, even that would keep people trapped in poverty.
Compounding that problem of course is the 10 million illegal immigrants getting paid lower than minimum wage in an 'off the books' manner.
Compounding the problem even more is that amerikan companies are fastly shipping manufacturing jobs overseas or to Mexico, while congress gets paid off to ignore that problem. We shipped all our steel and aluminum production to India and China, no wonder Alabama and Pennsylvania small towns are mired in poverty, drugs and crime, where 50 years ago they were like Mayberry RFD! The south's textile industry is all going overseas to china, the american car makers are bankrupt, about the only thing we still produce in this sorry nation is fast food!
LASTLY, American corporate executives earn anywhere on average around 130 times the ordinary workers at their companies. Compare this to Japan's average executive pay, about 20 times their average employee annual salaries. No wonder amerika has irretrievably gone down the toilet. Let's all move to Europe, in Germany and France, 2 of the world's biggest economies, the hourly employees get a decent wage, enough to raise 2-3 kids and get good medical care, plus they get 4-6 weeks of vacation each year. That sort of non-greedy corporate management hasn't affected those countries negatively, in fact the crime rates and unemployment rates are low due to the overall benefit of having a society full of happily employed workers.
If we aren't goint to emigrate out of this cess pool of a nation, then lets START A REBELLION!
RE: Germany

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8...

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#11 Jan 12, 2009
CHE GUEVARA wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be 'technically' correct, BUT how can people find time and money to go to college on $6.55 per hour?
Since President Johnson declared a war on poverty in the 1960s, there are still millions of Americans in poverty - so we lost that war.
In 1968, James Tobin, Paul Samuelson, John Kenneth Galbraith and another 1,200 economists signed a document calling for the US Congress to introduce in that year a system of income guarantees and supplements, a BASIC INCOME.
Winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics that fully support a BASIC INCOME include Herbert Simon, Friedrich Hayek, James Meade, Robert Solow, and Milton Friedman
In 2008, a pilot project with a BASIC INCOME grant was started in the Namibian village of Otjivero by the Namibian Basic Income Grant Coalition. After six months the project has been found to significantly reduce child malnutrition and increase school attendance. It was also found to increase the community's income significantly above the actual amount from the grants as it allowed citizens to partake in more productive economic activities.
SO...we need to institute a BASIC INCOME system in America, which would enable us to eliminate the inefficient and unsuccessful socialist programs like Social Security, Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Medicare. That in turn would enable amerika to balance the federal budget, assuming we can kick our addiction to going around the world starting wars.
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
RE: France

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/03/bus...

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#12 Jan 12, 2009
Higher minimum wage....fewer jobs....

http://www.larryelder.com/economics/minimumwa...

To obtain a higher salary, you will have to add more than the minimum to society. That is up to the individual.

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Since: Jun 08

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#13 Jan 12, 2009
CHE GUEVARA wrote:
The overall problem highlighted in the CVS employee's post is the ridiculously low minimum wage. Currently it is $6.55 per hour, and no one can live on that small amount, working 40 hours/week. Even worse are families where the parents only earn minimum wage and try to support kids. At the least, it should be at this date - January 11, 2009 - Ten dollars ($10) per hour. Obama says he wants it raised to $9.50/hr by 2011, even that would keep people trapped in poverty.
Compounding that problem of course is the 10 million illegal immigrants getting paid lower than minimum wage in an 'off the books' manner.
Compounding the problem even more is that amerikan companies are fastly shipping manufacturing jobs overseas or to Mexico, while congress gets paid off to ignore that problem. We shipped all our steel and aluminum production to India and China, no wonder Alabama and Pennsylvania small towns are mired in poverty, drugs and crime, where 50 years ago they were like Mayberry RFD! The south's textile industry is all going overseas to china, the american car makers are bankrupt, about the only thing we still produce in this sorry nation is fast food!
LASTLY, American corporate executives earn anywhere on average around 130 times the ordinary workers at their companies. Compare this to Japan's average executive pay, about 20 times their average employee annual salaries. No wonder amerika has irretrievably gone down the toilet. Let's all move to Europe, in Germany and France, 2 of the world's biggest economies, the hourly employees get a decent wage, enough to raise 2-3 kids and get good medical care, plus they get 4-6 weeks of vacation each year. That sort of non-greedy corporate management hasn't affected those countries negatively, in fact the crime rates and unemployment rates are low due to the overall benefit of having a society full of happily employed workers.
If we aren't goint to emigrate out of this cess pool of a nation, then lets START A REBELLION!
Che, you were a fine looking man at one point. I imagine now that that has changed. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

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#14 Jan 12, 2009
CHE GUEVARA wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You may be 'technically' correct, BUT how can people find time and money to go to college on $6.55 per hour?
2....we need to institute a BASIC INCOME system in America, which would enable us to eliminate the inefficient and unsuccessful socialist programs like Social Security, Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Medicare.
1. I did.

2. It isn't eliminating anything. It is putting the burden directly on employers to pay unqualified workers wages that they do not earn through productivity.
Capn Greg

Barnesville, OH

#15 Jan 12, 2009
There are already higher paying jobs in the U.S. that don't require extensive post-secondary education. Unfortunately, those are currently filled with illegal immigrants working for minimum wage dollars (or less) that are untaxed, no social security contribution, and healthcare that's up to the worker to find for themselves. Of course, the just amble into the nearest ER to get everything from earache to pregnancy taken care of, free of charge to them.

As Maria pointed out, if American businesses take on more full-time employees, then the "burden" of the additional costs of salary, insurance, etc., are just loaded on the back of the business, eating into an already low profit margin to remain competitive. At some point, the cost of adding employees exceeds (or equals) your profit margin and that sort of defeats the purpose now doesn't it?:-)

I don't argue that you can't raise a family on $6.55/hour, but I do argue with raising that number as a "fix". The problem is that the real "fix" will take years to do and some tough measures coming out of Washington, and unfortunately, there's not enough time in one's political career to get that done and get re-elected too..........

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#16 Jan 12, 2009
Capn Greg wrote:
There are already higher paying jobs in the U.S. that don't require extensive post-secondary education. Unfortunately, those are currently filled with illegal immigrants working for minimum wage dollars (or less) that are untaxed, no social security contribution, and healthcare that's up to the worker to find for themselves. Of course, the just amble into the nearest ER to get everything from earache to pregnancy taken care of, free of charge to them.
As Maria pointed out, if American businesses take on more full-time employees, then the "burden" of the additional costs of salary, insurance, etc., are just loaded on the back of the business, eating into an already low profit margin to remain competitive. At some point, the cost of adding employees exceeds (or equals) your profit margin and that sort of defeats the purpose now doesn't it?:-)
I don't argue that you can't raise a family on $6.55/hour, but I do argue with raising that number as a "fix". The problem is that the real "fix" will take years to do and some tough measures coming out of Washington, and unfortunately, there's not enough time in one's political career to get that done and get re-elected too..........
An even better solution is education. Not only do public schools need improvement but students need to be leaving High School EITHER on a college track OR already qualified with a technical degree to go to work. There is no reason for any one to enter the work force only qualified for minimum wage job unless they chose it.

Above thread, mention was made of the difficulty of going to college on minimum wage. About 3 years ago I was in ICU. My LPN was an 18 year old who had just graduated from High School in a nearby county. She graduated college track AND with her technical degree. She was working during the evening hours making MORE than minimum wage, getting experience in her chosen field, AND going to nursing school during the day to receive her RN. She told me that she was the first in her family to go to college. Again, it is more than possible to recieve an adequate education in the United States if you choose it.

Just as with welfare, don't expect someone else to shoulder your responsibilities. If you produce, you will receive adequate income.
Capn Greg

United States

#17 Jan 12, 2009
Maria Antonia wrote:
<quoted text>
An even better solution is education. Not only do public schools need improvement but students need to be leaving High School EITHER on a college track OR already qualified with a technical degree to go to work. There is no reason for any one to enter the work force only qualified for minimum wage job unless they chose it.
Above thread, mention was made of the difficulty of going to college on minimum wage. About 3 years ago I was in ICU. My LPN was an 18 year old who had just graduated from High School in a nearby county. She graduated college track AND with her technical degree. She was working during the evening hours making MORE than minimum wage, getting experience in her chosen field, AND going to nursing school during the day to receive her RN. She told me that she was the first in her family to go to college. Again, it is more than possible to recieve an adequate education in the United States if you choose it.
Just as with welfare, don't expect someone else to shoulder your responsibilities. If you produce, you will receive adequate income.
I don't disagree with you, but you're talking about the exceptions rather than the rule. Your LPN "wanted" to succeed and made no excuses not to. On the other hand, the larger majority of kids in HS choose to not to go this route. Could be peer pressure, no support at home, lots of reasons.

Years ago, I used to go to HS and give lectures on Career Day when my little guys were in school. I found it particularly difficult to talk to these kids about hard work, good grades and making it out of high school only to get potentially a $8/$10 hour job. In competition to that was standing on the street corner selling drugs at a much larger profit margin. Also, the consequences are such that they are literally back on the streets hours after arrest. Happens here every single day still.

Education is critical, but unfortunately the fire underneath one's butt to get it is the thing I'm looking to find..........

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#18 Jan 12, 2009
Capn Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't disagree with you, but you're talking about the exceptions rather than the rule. Your LPN "wanted" to succeed and made no excuses not to. On the other hand, the larger majority of kids in HS choose to not to go this route. Could be peer pressure, no support at home, lots of reasons.
Years ago, I used to go to HS and give lectures on Career Day when my little guys were in school. I found it particularly difficult to talk to these kids about hard work, good grades and making it out of high school only to get potentially a $8/$10 hour job. In competition to that was standing on the street corner selling drugs at a much larger profit margin. Also, the consequences are such that they are literally back on the streets hours after arrest. Happens here every single day still.
Education is critical, but unfortunately the fire underneath one's butt to get it is the thing I'm looking to find..........
She was an exceptional young woman, no doubt.True that in a perfect world all kids would want to succeed and work hard. All parents would be 100% behind them pushing them toward their goals, from birth, and clearly we don't live in a perfect world.

The truth is that underachiever kids.....drop outs or grads without basic job skills are a drain on society. Eventually, they are paid for through welfare programs, prisons, etc. One possible solution is there are no drop outs. At the age you want to leave school OR are 18 you go into.......Meanwhile Hall......where you are locked up until you have a skill and proper placement in a job. It sounds harsh, but a last ditch attempt to correct course while they are young is infinitely better than the consequences that they and WE suffer if they can't be adequately employed.

You are going to warn me if I need my mouthguard in place, aren't you?? lol
Capn Greg

Barnesville, OH

#19 Jan 12, 2009
Maria Antonia wrote:
<quoted text>
She was an exceptional young woman, no doubt.True that in a perfect world all kids would want to succeed and work hard. All parents would be 100% behind them pushing them toward their goals, from birth, and clearly we don't live in a perfect world.
The truth is that underachiever kids.....drop outs or grads without basic job skills are a drain on society. Eventually, they are paid for through welfare programs, prisons, etc. One possible solution is there are no drop outs. At the age you want to leave school OR are 18 you go into.......Meanwhile Hall......where you are locked up until you have a skill and proper placement in a job. It sounds harsh, but a last ditch attempt to correct course while they are young is infinitely better than the consequences that they and WE suffer if they can't be adequately employed.
You are going to warn me if I need my mouthguard in place, aren't you?? lol
Tuck your chin behind your gloves, just expose your eyes and you'll be ok, that is till I start with the body punches :-)

Meanwhile Hall........ too expensive and no guarantee they will do any better there than in regular HS. A long time ago, I thought that if you could start dividing kids into college-bound and a technical track earlier in HS, say around Junior High, you could move some kids thru a college prep path while you took the others thru a technical/trade school path. That way, you reduce class sizes in HS with kids that are usally like-minded in their approach to education. The others are put into a trades path to learn such skills as construction, HVAC, mechanic, etc.,.

I recall reading this in my 7th grade history class:

"If you give me a fish, I eat for a day. If you teach me to fish, I'll eat for a lifetime."

Everyone doesn't need to go to college to be successful (wink wink). Let's just provide the opportunity to learn much earlier than 18 years old.

Look, not one single shot to the chops, low-blows, or rabbit punches.....:-)

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#20 Jan 12, 2009
Capn Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
Tuck your chin behind your gloves, just expose your eyes and you'll be ok, that is till I start with the body punches :-)
Meanwhile Hall........ too expensive and no guarantee they will do any better there than in regular HS. A long time ago, I thought that if you could start dividing kids into college-bound and a technical track earlier in HS, say around Junior High, you could move some kids thru a college prep path while you took the others thru a technical/trade school path. That way, you reduce class sizes in HS with kids that are usally like-minded in their approach to education. The others are put into a trades path to learn such skills as construction, HVAC, mechanic, etc.,.
I recall reading this in my 7th grade history class:
"If you give me a fish, I eat for a day. If you teach me to fish, I'll eat for a lifetime."
Everyone doesn't need to go to college to be successful (wink wink). Let's just provide the opportunity to learn much earlier than 18 years old.
Look, not one single shot to the chops, low-blows, or rabbit punches.....:-)
Gloved UP! Float like a butterfly......sting like a bee.....ITTTTttt's Muhammad Maria......*cheeeerrrs from the crowd* lol

I don't think that every child needs a college degree, but they DO need job skills. In my office, there are only 2 college grads and the lowest paid amongst us made 45,000 last year...BUT they do have other job skills that make them valuable.

The division needs to begin sooner than that...in K. My solution to the public school is in a (very small) nutshell. All education is in units beginning in K. You complete a unit and you move on. You progress at your ability. No more grade levels. No more concern about age groupings. No more need for advanced learner studies. No more need for slow learner studies. You stay in the same length of time but begin college or tech program when you get to that level of advancement. So very simple.......

Now, mentally compare the cost of 2 years of Hall to a lifetime of imprisonment AND the harm caused within society. Take out of that reduced need for Law Enforcement and court costs.... Later on, I'll do some calculations of my own......I'm thinking we'd still be ahead.

lol Rabbit Punches????? What the heck is a rabbit punch??? lol

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